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[Mythical Creature]

I'll be there tonight

I now hear the amateurs have got there meeting tonite as well and their league are using home finals as a weapon to make them use the sponsors

This is all carp - who's running this show?

Somones sitting on top organising this and the clubs are gettin screwed

How did the meeting with the APFL go Lefty? Did your club or any other club voice its concerns?

[Howard]

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So Howard, can you tell me, who are "WE" or is that a 'freudian slip" I wonder?
Mine are not "porkies" as you put it, but detailed accounts of phone calls made to/from various people and told to me by a person involved in the conversations and this person is a relation of mine BTW. There is no way I am going to bleat the names of persons, clubs or leagues to you but I assure you, according to my source it has happened, whether you believe it or not is your choice. If you are the person who made the comment then you would know, if you're not, then you'll never know!
I tell you what, you pm to me who you are and your phone number and I'll fill you in, can't get much fairer than that!

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc[/quote]




Howard, I love the term " on balance', it makes one feel so calm about things, but since you were the first to offer the phone number why the sudden change of heart, are you now "out of balance" and lost your mojo within the CFB maze?[/quote]

Fair cop Clever, but please do not assume that I am "out of balance" or "lost my mojo" I do, however propose that we both may have some baggage in this debate, but I guess I could argue that you not giving me your number is exactly the same. So like I've said, if you PM and give me your number I will call you.

[Clever Dick]

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So Howard, can you tell me, who are "WE" or is that a 'freudian slip" I wonder?
Mine are not "porkies" as you put it, but detailed accounts of phone calls made to/from various people and told to me by a person involved in the conversations and this person is a relation of mine BTW. There is no way I am going to bleat the names of persons, clubs or leagues to you but I assure you, according to my source it has happened, whether you believe it or not is your choice. If you are the person who made the comment then you would know, if you're not, then you'll never know!
I tell you what, you pm to me who you are and your phone number and I'll fill you in, can't get much fairer than that!

Like I've previously stated, it doesn't really matter who I am or who you are, I'm happy to give you my number to "fill me in" - I'm not sure how I get a pm to you though?? Sorry not real flash with computer tech etc

Fair cop Clever, but please do not assume that I am "out of balance" or "lost my mojo" I do, however propose that we both may have some baggage in this debate, but I guess I could argue that you not giving me your number is exactly the same. So like I've said, if you PM and give me your number I will call you.[/quote]

So I can now see rather than assume, that your original offer was a bit like the Parson's cat, all p*ss & wind !

[aceman]

Howard, if you are so in favour of this set up, I suggest you might contact all of the sport stores in the country and get their point of view on it. Be prepared to cop a barrage of negatives though, because it has taken away many of the local clubs they were supplying who are now going 'direct' to Preferred suppliers.
The guys down the South East would love to have a chat to someone who is from the 'inside' so instead of ringing Clever Dick, which it doesn't appear your game enough to do anyway, ring them instead.

[Howard]

Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.

Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.

[Goldberg]

Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.

Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.

Could not be more incorrect mate! There are only 4 Suppliers in SA (& 1 of them is based in Queensland & only has a branch here in SA) that have the PRINTING RIGHTS to the CFB logo. Now sure you could still go through your LOCAL supplier, but they would have to get the apparell from one of the BIG 4, & thus have to put a percentage increase for them to make money on it, which inturn means costing the club more. Not much of a choice really is it?? However alot of clubs will do this because they rely on that LOCAL to Sponsor their club & if they stop using them, the sponsorship could dry up

You make it sound like the clubs have choice, & I guess if your looking in Black & White, they do! But life is lived in colour mate. Why does the CFB need to have preferred suppliers at all is the big Question? Normal competetition would have kept prices low for every1 anyway

[Mythical Creature]

Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.

Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.

What if a club can get a better price from someone that isn't in the "6 preferred suppliers" Howard. I think that is the biggest issue at the moment in that the CFB have restricted trade to just 6 suppliers.

[the watcher]

Why does the CFB logo need to be on any clubs Jumper, what possible benefit is this too any individual club ? Seems to be a step purely to enable control.

[Clever Dick]

[quote="Howard"]Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.




They are not "personal taunts", you came up with the story you would send me your number to enable us to discuss this, then you turned on your heels, went into reverse gear and asked me to give you my number. Why have you changed your mind?
I can only suggest you know very little about the setup with clubs & preferred suppliers or you're playing 'dumb, not sure which it is.

You may wish to read the November & December issues of the CFL Gazette which you can see on the SANFL website under Community Football, which has a section relevant to this discussion.
Read it then get back to me, you might have changed your mind on some of your thoughts as it clearly states. "it is compulsory to have the CFB logo on ALL PLAYING APPAREL by the start of the 2012 season, we suggest with any new purchases you get the logo put on now.
The CFB have appointed 6 "preferred suppliers who are the ONLY people able to reproduce the CFB logo.

Have a read Howard, it might help you understand the angst that is out in the real world of country football, might also pay to read what South Adelaide had to do with one of their sponsors on their jumpers to apease the SANFL because of a Coca Cola deal, it's only a matter of time before this same thing infiltrates the CFL clubs too.

[Mythical Creature]

Why ring each other when you can play it out on here so that we can all have a read!

[Goldberg]

The Part about South Adelaide/schweppes/Coca Cola is Very pertenant to what we have been saying all along. If you have major sponsors of the Governing body of any industry, that industry will protect these sponsors. What happens when Balfours comes on board with the CFB. Are LOCAL clubs going to be allowed to use their LOCAL baker to supply them on Saturdays? (example only although a rumour aswell)

[Clever Dick]

Why ring each other when you can play it out on here so that we can all have a read!

He's reniged on the phone call and shifted the goal posts, a bit like the "big bad wolf", mostly huff & puff!

[Clever Dick]

The Part about South Adelaide/schweppes/Coca Cola is Very pertenant to what we have been saying all along. If you have major sponsors of the Governing body of any industry, that industry will protect these sponsors. What happens when Balfours comes on board with the CFB. Are LOCAL clubs going to be allowed to use their LOCAL baker to supply them on Saturdays? (example only although a rumour aswell)

They'll tell you it will have NO IMPACT on current suppliers but until when? Until they lean hard enough on leagues/clubs that you have no choice, eg NAFC with Coopers and the above example with Souths.

Watch this space!

[Howard]

Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.

Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.

Could not be more incorrect mate! There are only 4 Suppliers in SA (& 1 of them is based in Queensland & only has a branch here in SA) that have the PRINTING RIGHTS to the CFB logo. Now sure you could still go through your LOCAL supplier, but they would have to get the apparell from one of the BIG 4, & thus have to put a percentage increase for them to make money on it, which inturn means costing the club more. Not much of a choice really is it?? However alot of clubs will do this because they rely on that LOCAL to Sponsor their club & if they stop using them, the sponsorship could dry up

You make it sound like the clubs have choice, & I guess if your looking in Black & White, they do! But life is lived in colour mate. Why does the CFB need to have preferred suppliers at all is the big Question? Normal competetition would have kept prices low for every1 anyway

Hi - Firstly, I am not a member of any committee, board or club some people on here just seem to love the conspiracy theories and as a consequence make some crazy assumptions based on that theory.
I'm just checking out the alternative arguments - debating the issues. Nothing more nothing less.

Anyway, I've highlighted some points in your post that I'd comment on,
You say there are only 4 suppliers in SA - does that matter? There are six suppliers, (as per the newsletter Mr Clever Dick told me to read.) All of which are licensed to produce the CFB logo - correct. Clubs purchasing new guernseys need to include this logo, they can obtain logos to either sew on or iron on as an alternative (to purchasing a complete new set)
You have admitted that clubs do have a choice ie go through a local supplier - they (the local supplier) then in turn goes to the preferred supplier. The issue then is - Does this cost the club more?? Good question, I would be interested to find that out, as I suspect the competition is now so fierce that clubs are actually finding the overall price is coming down and some very good deals are on the table??

Your last point ie Normal competition would have kept the price low - I'm not sure, small local suppliers may have, in the past taken a nice advantage of being the only supplier in town, I think the fact that clubs are now able to access even more suppliers (ie their local or one of the six) must make the price more competitive.

[Howard]

Why ring each other when you can play it out on here so that we can all have a read!

Hey thnx Mythical, I'm glad you're enjoying the debate, I am too.

[Clever Dick]

Dear Clever Dick, I have told you that I'm happy to call you, obviously you'd prefer to fire a few personal taunts at me, this is a very familiar story when participating in any discussions via a public forum, the issues are usually lost fairly quickly, and participants revert to abusing other posters.

Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.

Could not be more incorrect mate! There are only 4 Suppliers in SA (& 1 of them is based in Queensland & only has a branch here in SA) that have the PRINTING RIGHTS to the CFB logo. Now sure you could still go through your LOCAL supplier, but they would have to get the apparell from one of the BIG 4, & thus have to put a percentage increase for them to make money on it, which inturn means costing the club more. Not much of a choice really is it?? However alot of clubs will do this because they rely on that LOCAL to Sponsor their club & if they stop using them, the sponsorship could dry up

You make it sound like the clubs have choice, & I guess if your looking in Black & White, they do! But life is lived in colour mate. Why does the CFB need to have preferred suppliers at all is the big Question? Normal competetition would have kept prices low for every1 anyway

Hi - Firstly, I am not a member of any committee, board or club some people on here just seem to love the conspiracy theories and as a consequence make some crazy assumptions based on that theory.
I'm just checking out the alternative arguments - debating the issues. Nothing more nothing less.

Anyway, I've highlighted some points in your post that I'd comment on,
You say there are only 4 suppliers in SA - does that matter? There are six suppliers, (as per the newsletter Mr Clever Dick told me to read.) All of which are licensed to produce the CFB logo - correct. Clubs purchasing new guernseys need to include this logo, they can obtain logos to either sew on or iron on as an alternative (to purchasing a complete new set)
You have admitted that clubs do have a choice ie go through a local supplier - they (the local supplier) then in turn goes to the preferred supplier. The issue then is - Does this cost the club more?? Good question, I would be interested to find that out, as I suspect the competition is now so fierce that clubs are actually finding the overall price is coming down and some very good deals are on the table??

Your last point ie Normal competition would have kept the price low - I'm not sure, small local suppliers may have, in the past taken a nice advantage of being the only supplier in town, I think the fact that clubs are now able to access even more suppliers (ie their local or one of the six) must make the price more competitive.

Then we'll wait until we can reveal what they are trying to do at Junior level in the metropolitan area, that'll make your hair curl! It's nothing but a "complete takeover" in the making.

[Howard]

Hi again Clever, I'd be interested to know more (about metro juniors) as once again I suspect a conspiracy theory is not far away.

If we can just go back a few steps and remember that the new CFB has taken the place of the old Affiliated leagues council, both are/have been administrative bodies put in place to oversee footy at this level ie community - so I would naturally assume having put this CFB group together, (to replace the old model don't forget, which was totally ineffective and outdated - as per the football community survey.) that they would now set about taking action to oversee and administer the various competitions. Leagues and clubs have the final say in determining the running of their competitions, the CFB is the administrative wing, there to assist and oversee, that's what administrators do!!

[The Gimp]

Hi again Clever, I'd be interested to know more (about metro juniors) as once again I suspect a conspiracy theory is not far away.

If we can just go back a few steps and remember that the new CFB has taken the place of the old Affiliated leagues council, both are/have been administrative bodies put in place to oversee footy at this level ie community - so I would naturally assume having put this CFB group together, (to replace the old model don't forget, which was totally ineffective and outdated - as per the football community survey.) that they would now set about taking action to oversee and administer the various competitions. Leagues and clubs have the final say in determining the running of their competitions, the CFB is the administrative wing, there to assist and oversee, that's what administrators do!!

And I think that's where half the problem lies - they seem to not only want to administer but "manage" the community leagues.

I can't remember anything in the survey that we did asking if the clubs would like to have set suppliers of apparel, food etc. so why are they trying to bring this in?

[Raking Left Foot]

I'll be there tonight

I now hear the amateurs have got there meeting tonite as well and their league are using home finals as a weapon to make them use the sponsors

This is all carp - who's running this show?

Somones sitting on top organising this and the clubs are gettin screwed

How did the meeting with the APFL go Lefty? Did your club or any other club voice its concerns?

I've been gagged................ and am probably in the shit for even writing this....

[aceman]

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Aceman - your post re: clubs using preferred suppliers etc, I don't know anything about that, except to say, if the CFB are able to negotiate better deals for clubs (ie for their apparel etc) it then gets down to the individual clubs to make those financial decisions, they (the clubs) will go wherever they can get the best price. In the end the CFB have only given clubs the option to use these suppliers, it's the club that makes the final call.[/quote]

Well maybe you should do some catching up!
Sorry Howard, you are so far removed from what's happening it's just not funny.
I refer to your comment about "sew on or iron on badges" which is possible but it's not that easy. Will the preferred supplier do them at No Charge? I think not but it might be a good exercise in public relations if they did. So my club replaces their jumpers every 5-6 years, our current set is 12 months old and in 2012 we have to have the CFL logo on them. Incidentally, we are almost in West Australia, we're that far from Adelaide. I approach one of the PS for a price, how much is it going to cost me to "badge" 100 jumpers, A B, Senior & Junior colts. A sewon badge around $6.60 then someone's got to sew it on. A heat transfer, which has to be put on with a special machine, costs probably similar to apply cause you can't do them with your everyday iron, so I have to send the jumpers to Adelaide which will cost me $50.00 min each way to transport them.
Cost of all this 100 @ $6.60 $660.00 plus transport $100.00 all this because the CFL wants their name up in lights.
A few years ago SAB did a deal with SACA for XXXX beer and supplied every club with transfers to be applied which could be put on using a normal iron,nowhere near as big a task but at least they showed some initiative and diluted the costs. So why couldn't the brains trust at West Lakes think along these same lines and give clubs not requiring to purchase jumpers until 2012 the same opportunity?



Another example;
Hypothetically, I own a sports store at Nungikompita and have been supplying jumpers, shorts & socks to 3 clubs within a 100km radius for 20 years, I buy all of this from a manufacturer in Adelaide who gives me a "wholesale rate of around 10-15% off invoice " to enable me to onsell and at least make something for my trouble. I now am at the whim of the 6 PS who, before they even 'get out of bed', have committed to pay a rebate to the CFB and give free stock in the form of jumpers,shorts,socks to out fit SA Country teams so the SANFL doesn't have that expense, so e.g. a 10% impost goes on the price of the jumpers before anything is done, so my buy price has increased which I can't absorb so I have to pass this on to clubs. The clubs ring the 6 PS, they're given a price which is obviously cheaper than I can do it so I stand to lose the sale or cut the price to the bone and go broke.
Remember, for 20 years I have been giving these clubs vouchers, discount footies(SFA in footies anyway) and many other things including 60 or 90 days credit so where does this leave me with the supply of footy gear to the local clubs?
I'll tell you, up sh*t creek in a barbwire canoe minus the paddle, thanks very much.