Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby smithy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:02 am

shoe boy wrote:Thoughts???

What are peoples thoughts regarding a district player playing for his district club on Sat while his local club is involved in a Sat Sun final. Come Sunday the said player rocks up and plays for his local club.

1) Is there a rule covering this???
2)Is this in the spirit of the game???
3)If the answer is no ruling what stops a player opening the batting for his district club makes jack then gets in his car and bats for his local club.


1) No rules broken
2) if the lad is qualified then the answer is no
3) there are no restrictions that I know of from district to suburban cricket though your scenario would make for a short district career.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby allrounder » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:06 am

The rules allow it so theres not much else to say about. Im sure all clubs would use this option if there was a qualified district player avaliable to them for the finals especially if it meant going straight to a Grand Final spot.

Anyway go the Shoeboys this weekend against the Falcons.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby The Hound » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:20 am

smithy wrote:
shoe boy wrote:Thoughts???

What are peoples thoughts regarding a district player playing for his district club on Sat while his local club is involved in a Sat Sun final. Come Sunday the said player rocks up and plays for his local club.

1) Is there a rule covering this???
2)Is this in the spirit of the game???
3)If the answer is no ruling what stops a player opening the batting for his district club makes jack then gets in his car and bats for his local club.


1) No rules broken
2) if the lad is qualified then the answer is no
3) there are no restrictions that I know of from district to suburban cricket though your scenario would make for a short district career.


1)Sorry SB the SCA By-laws are open for interpretation and therefore abuse. KM is right as long as they play 6 days they are qualified. Nothing written in them about a player playing for two different clubs in two different competetions or seeking finals permits.
2)As for the spirit of the game, pretty average IMO, although I am old school and a traditionalist, but what about the player who misses out becasue "a district player is coming back" if that is the way some clubs want to be succseful then short term reward for long term pain.
3)No succseful district club would allow this to happen.

As for the rumour Flagstaff are still recovering from the there last bought A Grade premiership.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:36 am

The Hound wrote:
smithy wrote:
shoe boy wrote:Thoughts???

What are peoples thoughts regarding a district player playing for his district club on Sat while his local club is involved in a Sat Sun final. Come Sunday the said player rocks up and plays for his local club.

1) Is there a rule covering this???
2)Is this in the spirit of the game???
3)If the answer is no ruling what stops a player opening the batting for his district club makes jack then gets in his car and bats for his local club.


1) No rules broken
2) if the lad is qualified then the answer is no
3) there are no restrictions that I know of from district to suburban cricket though your scenario would make for a short district career.


1)Sorry SB the SCA By-laws are open for interpretation and therefore abuse. KM is right as long as they play 6 days they are qualified. Nothing written in them about a player playing for two different clubs in two different competetions or seeking finals permits.
2)As for the spirit of the game, pretty average IMO, although I am old school and a traditionalist, but what about the player who misses out becasue "a district player is coming back" if that is the way some clubs want to be succseful then short term reward for long term pain.3)No succseful district club would allow this to happen.

As for the rumour Flagstaff are still recovering from the there last bought A Grade premiership.


Good point Hound.
Also I understand about playing the required games but playing 2 sep comps on the same w/end that is just not right!!!
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:39 am

As for Trav going to FH I think not! Speaking with him Sun night he MAY put away the wet suit and concentrate on batting at number 3 :shock:
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby smithy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:42 am

Do you honestly believe this is the first time this has happened shoeboy ?
Are you only bringing it up because you lost?
I'd say an example of the shoes doing exactly the same thing has happened before.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:03 pm

smithy wrote:Do you honestly believe this is the first time this has happened shoeboy ?
Are you only bringing it up because you lost?
I'd say an example of the shoes doing exactly the same thing has happened before.


Smithy I love you but to answer the question. NO,NO and NO.

Give me one example of this at the Shoe!!!

By the way we didnt loose we are playing in the A grade grand final ;)
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby smithy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:15 pm

Stop it shoeboy, you're making me blush. :oops: :oops:





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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby krustymirkin » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:25 pm

shoe boy wrote:As for Trav going to FH I think not! Speaking with him Sun night he MAY put away the wet suit and concentrate on batting at number 3 :shock:

Yeah but who for? :lol:
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:30 pm

krustymirkin wrote:
shoe boy wrote:As for Trav going to FH I think not! Speaking with him Sun night he MAY put away the wet suit and concentrate on batting at number 3 :shock:

Yeah but who for? :lol:


The Shoes! :D
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby fido bedow » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:50 pm

shoe boy wrote:As for Trav going to FH I think not! Speaking with him Sun night he MAY put away the wet suit and concentrate on batting at number 3 :shock:
Anyone happen to know the fixtures for this weeks games
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby krustymirkin » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:01 pm

A grade Cove vs Pt Noar at Cove,B grade Noar vs F Hill at Pt Noar,C grade Morphett Vale vs Pt Noar at Kang U16s Noar vs F Hill at Cove and U14s at Pt Noar with F Hill vs Kang
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby The Hound » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:46 pm

Why hasn't the Shoe got a prelim final??

Surely it is time for the SCA to drop the Prelim final for B & C grade to allow maximum support for the A grade grand final and build a great atmosphere on the day.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby Super Fred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:35 pm

The Hound wrote:Why hasn't the Shoe got a prelim final??

Surely it is time for the SCA to drop the Prelim final for B & C grade to allow maximum support for the A grade grand final and build a great atmosphere on the day.


Two main reasons why no Prelim at the Shoe...First one being that the Football club have a trial...And secondly, thanks to the native wildlife the oval is not up to scratch and most people hate the new matting.
I also agree the A grade grand final should have its own weekend. Maybe for the B & C Grade's they could go back to the 2 weekend final system where 1st plays 4th and 2nd plays 3rd with the two winners straight into the Grandy. And the A Grade continue with the 3 weekend system.
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby Super Fred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:58 pm

smithy wrote:Do you honestly believe this is the first time this has happened shoeboy ?
Are you only bringing it up because you lost?
I'd say an example of the shoes doing exactly the same thing has happened before.


Been at the shoe a while and i do recall 2 district players being selected in the A Grade a couple of years back during the regular season (and there was a lot of moaning about that on here) but never has a Senior district player come back and played in the finals of a grade he was not a part of during the regular season.
But as stated by a few people, its in the rules he was allowed to play because the A grade were playing the same weekend. So if its allowed and you know the player is going to strengthen the team...why wouldn't you pick him.
From what i hear there were no complaints from any in the shoe B grade regarding this. The way their top six batted you would have picked up 6 for Smithy :lol:
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby smithy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:52 pm

Super Fred wrote:
smithy wrote:Do you honestly believe this is the first time this has happened shoeboy ?
Are you only bringing it up because you lost?
I'd say an example of the shoes doing exactly the same thing has happened before.


The way their top six batted you would have picked up 6 for Smithy :lol:


Is that from previous experience Super fred ? :lol:

Their effort couldn't of been that bad though, surely. :D
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby Super Fred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:10 pm

smithy wrote:
Super Fred wrote:
smithy wrote:Do you honestly believe this is the first time this has happened shoeboy ?
Are you only bringing it up because you lost?
I'd say an example of the shoes doing exactly the same thing has happened before.


The way their top six batted you would have picked up 6 for Smithy :lol:


Is that from previous experience Super fred ? :lol:

Their effort couldn't of been that bad though, surely. :D


No they didnt bat that badly, all four bowlers used bowled very well and were too good on the day
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:55 am

Are the semi final sides decided as yet???? I think not?
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby allrounder » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:11 am

An anonymous email that was recieved by three of the B grade teams competeing in the finals series

I have come across some interesting statistics in respect of B Grade player Brad Morrison who represented Flagstaff Hill in a semi final last weekend. He is quite a reasonable cricketer and took 5 wickets for 14 which in no small way helped FHCC win their semi final.

He is listed on MyCricket as having been 'selected' by FHCC in B Grade rounds 4,5,6,8,9 and 10 during the season, a total of 7 days cricket. He certainly played in Round 9, and as Round 8 was lost to heat and selection is therefore effectively at the discretion of clubs, he can be assumed to have 'played' on that day as well.

Of the other 4 games he was 'selected' for he appears in the match detail schedules only once, suggesting that his name was added to the selection lists after the match detail was input in the three other cases, which is unusual. Also noted is that he apparently did not bat or bowl or take a catch in any of those four games, which would be highly unusual, as he does have good cricketing ability.

While the above comments could lead to a suggestion that Brad did not play those four games, it is not 100% conclusive, as he could have attended but not taken the field. Again highly unusual, but possible.

However, I am of the understanding that he had originally left cricket after last season to play baseball for Goodwood this summer. I have found internet match records from Baseball SA confirming that he played for Goodwood's Division four side on the afternoons of 21 November, 28 November and 30 January, which correspond to the dates of SCA rounds 4 and 10 in the B Grade. This suggests that it would have been impossible for him to be playing cricket on those days.

As a result, it could be argued that even after allowing for his valid selection in rounds 5,6,8, and 9 (of which 5&6 look strange), his selections in rounds 4 and 10 were not valid, and he only accrued 4 days of cricket played for qualification purposes. This would make his selection in last weekend's semi final (and any subsequent final) in contravention of SCA By Law 19.1 which requires 6 days of minor round cricket to be accrued to qualify a player for finals.

I have no reason to query or protest this issue myself, as I am not involved in SCA administration or any affected club. However you may after consideration wish to investigate this matter further yourselves.

Will the association do anything about it or continue to be a toothless tiger ????
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Re: Southern Cricket Association 2009-10

Postby shoe boy » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:16 am

the SCA MUST act as this is blatant cheeting!!! :evil: !

It is a very small world and after receiving some info on this I also made inquires as a good friend plays baseball for the said club and confirmed that you cant be in 2 places at the same time. :shock:

SCA do what you are required to and inforce the rules.
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