Community football board

[Clever Dick]

Good to see the regional leagues starting to see what the CFB is. How is it that Mr Rosser gets $120k a year, and his offsider $80k and then the young assistant $40k. They want to run a raffle to pay for the wage bill. But wait there is more ...................
This is a Wicker boys club to rival the keep coopers out dictatorship that the SANFL is. The uniform deal is a sham. The quality of the product is ****........Will let you guys know some more boys club info a little later........ It gr8 being related to an insider who dislikes the arrogance of big brother !!!!

Here, here!
There are plenty of country leagues that have people in charge of them that have been seduced by the SANFL or the Affil Leagues setup in the past, why they don't take a leaf from the amateurs is beyond belief. They will not allow dictatorship to prevail, their clubs decide what they do and their "book keepers" are just that. The clubs run every league, not the secretary, treasure or president. The CFB will only ever work with 100% support in everything they represent, that will not happen.
It will be interesting when the CFB strike a deal with a football supplier,e.g. Sherrin. Firstly, the supplier can't keep their stocks at a reliable level presently so that will cause a problem, you also have the GSFL who have used Faulkners for 100 years and will be loath to change, so what happens with that? No special favours should be given them because then the APFL who use Burleys can then ask for the same exclusion. The can of worms grows.
Another possibility, the CFB strikes a deal with Balfours, all country clubs WILL use their product, in return you get a Free Pie warmer, stock is delivered frozen on Fridays. The local bakery who has been your club supporter for XX years and who gives you $$$'s sponsorship every year. what happens to him? He's cut adrift and so it goes on and on!

It's time for clubs within the country leagues to not only voice their disapproval and stop sitting on your hands and complaining to your neighbour about it, do something before it gets completely to the "takeover "stage because if you don't, then you are no different to the people we are talking about who are running your leagues, the stooges of the CFB.

[michelinman]

Good to see the regional leagues starting to see what the CFB is. How is it that Mr Rosser gets $120k a year, and his offsider $80k and then the young assistant $40k. They want to run a raffle to pay for the wage bill. But wait there is more ...................
This is a Wicker boys club to rival the keep coopers out dictatorship that the SANFL is. The uniform deal is a sham. The quality of the product is ****........Will let you guys know some more boys club info a little later........ It gr8 being related to an insider who dislikes the arrogance of big brother !!!!

Here, here!
There are plenty of country leagues that have people in charge of them that have been seduced by the SANFL or the Affil Leagues setup in the past, why they don't take a leaf from the amateurs is beyond belief. They will not allow dictatorship to prevail, their clubs decide what they do and their "book keepers" are just that. The clubs run every league, not the secretary, treasure or president. The CFB will only ever work with 100% support in everything they represent, that will not happen.
It will be interesting when the CFB strike a deal with a football supplier,e.g. Sherrin. Firstly, the supplier can't keep their stocks at a reliable level presently so that will cause a problem, you also have the GSFL who have used Faulkners for 100 years and will be loath to change, so what happens with that? No special favours should be given them because then the APFL who use Burleys can then ask for the same exclusion. The can of worms grows.
Another possibility, the CFB strikes a deal with Balfours, all country clubs WILL use their product, in return you get a Free Pie warmer, stock is delivered frozen on Fridays. The local bakery who has been your club supporter for XX years and who gives you $$$'s sponsorship every year. what happens to him? He's cut adrift and so it goes on and on!

It's time for clubs within the country leagues to not only voice their disapproval, stop sitting on your hands and complaining to your neighbour about it, do something before it gets completely to the "takeover "stage because if you don't, then you are no different to the people we are talking about who are running your leagues who are the puppets of the CFB.

Very well said the CFB is going to tear the heart out of what country football and clubs are all about. i for one believe it is the worst thing to happen to our clubs we MUST get our clubs committees to express our concerns to the league directors and hand back the control of our clubs to the locals who have supported them through thick and thin

[Clever Dick]

[quote="supercoach"]Good to see the regional leagues starting to see what the CFB is. How is it that Mr Rosser gets $120k a year, and his offsider $80k and then the young assistant $40k. They want to run a raffle to pay for the wage bill. But wait [/


Super, it's also my understanding the SANFL has only given the undertaking to fund the CFB until the end of 2010.
Puts this all in a different light I reckon, clubs will be paying these salaries in some way if that's the case.

So let's do some homework;

[b]There are 270 clubs in SA according to the SANFL website, deduct the 68 in the SAAFL = 202 clubs.

Lets say each club has 4 teams, A & B grades, senior & junior colts with 25 players per team = 100 players per club (SFL would have more as they have more junior teams) but for this exercise we'll use that number.

So 202 clubs @ 100 players = 20,200 players in the state leagues(excl SAAFL)

No finance comes from the SANFL from 2010 so the CFB introduces a levy which starts @ $10.00 per player = $202,000.00 paid by the clubs to the CFB.

This amount of $202,000.00 doesn't even cover the "salaries" as detailed in the above post should they be anywhere near that mark and I think it would be very close .

plus whatever affiliation fees you already pay to your local league which might be $500.00 per club to pay your local director, manager,ceo,secretary/manager or any other name you wish to call them.

Or if the number of clubs (202) includes Junior clubs in the metro area in MSJFL,MWJFL,NEMJFA & CDJFL that's about 50 clubs in total and they aren't interested in the idea one bit, the number of clubs & players that these funds can be collected from reduces back to 150 clubs or 15000 players so it is even more interesting and gives more than an even chance the levy would become higher.

Maybe $20.00 senior & $10.00 junior would get them;

7500 senior @ $20.00 = $150K
7500 junior @ $10.00 = $75K

Total of $225K which still doesn't quite get to the salary number of $240K.

Doesn't this start to ring "alarm bells", because if it doesn't, it should!

[Old Dog New Tricks]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

In case anyone wants to know where that money is coming from, it's coming out of yours & my club's coffers and more importantly your members/players will wear it somewhere whether it be in subs, additional levies, higher costs of food & beverages or higher costs of club merchandise.

I'm actually quite happy with Owen Lamshed's ability to run our league.

No one can answer me why we need the CFL from an operational point of view not to mention why we must wear the cost to do so..I would say it's simply a combination of creating a new job to save Wicker and Payze the pain of having to cut Glen Rosser loose and keep control of a league/s as they lose control of their own courtesy of the AFL.

[Clever Dick]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

In case anyone wants to know where that money is coming from, it's coming out of yours & my club's coffers and more importantly your members/players will wear it somewhere whether it be in subs, additional levies, higher costs of food & beverages or higher costs of club merchandise.

I'm actually quite happy with Owen Lamshed's ability to run our league.

No one can answer me why we need the CFL from an operational point of view not to mention why we must wear the cost to do so..I would say it's simply a combination of creating a new job to save Wicker and Payze the pain of having to cut Glen Rosser loose and keep control of a league/s as they lose control of their own courtesy of the AFL.

ODNT, I agree but didn't want to confuse the issue but merely point out what is a real possibility in the form of player levies to come as an extra cost for clubs at the minor end of the scale, thanks to the CFB.

Your point about your CEO/President is exactly what I've indicated, some are quite capable and do it well, some are swept up in the old SANFL ethos of "if I kiss your bum, will you kiss mine? They are being paid by the clubs within their leagues to do the job so if the CFB takes over, they will become surplus and no longer required to run their own leagues.
They either aren't smart enough to see that or the smoke screen is too dense.
However, will the CFB still want these "yes men" out amongst the throng preaching the story as they want it told, that's the big question?

There was a very "switched on" young guy at the SANFL who seems to have disappeared somewhere, somehow. He was the link between the Affiliated Leagues and the clubs, his name was Justin Dent and it may be that he was a victim of the "restructure process' that went through the SANFL some months ago.
One could be forgiven for the synical thought that his sudden disappearance may well have been to keep GR in the job with the compliments of the "SANFL boys club"
I would have thought that he would have been a much more valuable asset at West Lakes than some of the current people at the SANFL & CFB.

[Clever Dick]

I hear there's a club in the XXX league that's been waiting for 4 weeks for a jumper design to be done by a CFB supplier and still have not got it. It's not a new design and one that this supplier has done previously but with new sponsors.
On querying the supplier as to how much longer it was going to take, the club was told, "we've been very busy".
Now that will really help the club come April when their new jumpers are not ready.

[aceman]

I hear there's a club in the XXX league that's been waiting for 4 weeks for a jumper design to be done by a CFB supplier and still have not got it. It's not a new design and one that this supplier has done previously but with new sponsors.
On querying the supplier as to how much longer it was going to take, the club was told, "we've been very busy".
Now that will really help the club come April when their new jumpers are not ready.

I think I've heard this all before!

[Clever Dick]

Which CFB 'preferred supplier' is bragging to anyone who will listen that his business will more than double by the end of this footy season as a result of the new arrangement?
Problem he's faced with is that his already poor service and inability to produce in an acceptable timeframe will no doubt suffer even more as a result.
Growing your business is one thing, keeping it is another.

[has been]

Clever Dick you are on the money - The young gun helping GR got the flick as he was anti boys brigade. The clothing supplier agreement will be void when the HFL pullout of the CFL so thats not a real concern. I know of 2 clubs that have got their gear from elswhere. Guess what - how does anyone know. They don't, so clubs at the end of the day will dictate who does what and I am really confident this CFL crap will be outa here within 18months. Good on the Amatuer league for sticking it up em.

[Jimmy_041]

Clever Dick you are on the money - The young gun helping GR got the flick as he was anti boys brigade. The clothing supplier agreement will be void when the HFL pullout of the CFL so thats not a real concern. I know of 2 clubs that have got their gear from elswhere. Guess what - how does anyone know. They don't, so clubs at the end of the day will dictate who does what and I am really confident this CFL crap will be outa here within 18months. Good on the Amatuer league for sticking it up em.

I think you mean the Amateur League clubs

[Clever Dick]

Clever Dick you are on the money - The young gun helping GR got the flick as he was anti boys brigade. The clothing supplier agreement will be void when the HFL pullout of the CFL so thats not a real concern. I know of 2 clubs that have got their gear from elswhere. Guess what - how does anyone know. They don't, so clubs at the end of the day will dictate who does what and I am really confident this CFL crap will be outa here within 18months. Good on the Amatuer league for sticking it up em.

I know my info was correct hence the post.
Are the club people in the HFL strong enough to tell Owen & his board that they don't want anything to do with the CFL and give them a clear direction to tell Shipway, Rosser & co what to do with it, I don't think so!
It has to start at club level and my info is that maybe only 2 or 3 clubs have people with enough "balls" to do just that, the rest of them are full of 'p*ss & wind!
Too many 'yes men" and not enough guts to rock the CFL boat so in the end, you get what you deserve.
All that's been coming out of Alexandria Rd for 2-3 years is how bad the service from the apparel licensee is, yet Owen goes in for another term of 3 years, now that's a good business decision. Bet the local sports store lady is beside herself with joy, pigs ar$e!

[The Gimp]

Clever Dick you are on the money - The young gun helping GR got the flick as he was anti boys brigade. The clothing supplier agreement will be void when the HFL pullout of the CFL so thats not a real concern. I know of 2 clubs that have got their gear from elswhere. Guess what - how does anyone know. They don't, so clubs at the end of the day will dictate who does what and I am really confident this CFL crap will be outa here within 18months. Good on the Amatuer league for sticking it up em.

I know my info was correct hence the post.
Are the club people in the HFL strong enough to tell Owen & his board that they don't want anything to do with the CFL and give them a clear direction to tell Shipway, Rosser & co what to do with it, I don't think so!
It has to start at club level and my info is that maybe only 2 or 3 clubs have people with enough "balls" to do just that, the rest of them are full of 'p*ss & wind!
Too many 'yes men" and not enough guts to rock the CFL boat so in the end, you get what you deserve.
All that's been coming out of Alexandria Rd for 2-3 years is how bad the service from the apparel licensee is, yet Owen goes in for another term of 3 years, now that's a good business decision. Bet the local sports store lady is beside herself with joy, pigs ar$e!

Clever dick, have you got a personal vendetta against Owen, the HFL Board and the CFL? Your posts are starting to sound like a bit of a broken record on this thread and when you start having a crack at the HFL clubs and their "club people" then you are going to start getting people off side.

Go ahead and raise the issues you think there are with the CFL but don't start accusing clubs of not having enough balls to stand up for what they think is best for their club.

P1ss & Wind - pot calling kettle black??

[Clever Dick]

Clever Dick you are on the money - The young gun helping GR got the flick as he was anti boys brigade. The clothing supplier agreement will be void when the HFL pullout of the CFL so thats not a real concern. I know of 2 clubs that have got their gear from elswhere. Guess what - how does anyone know. They don't, so clubs at the end of the day will dictate who does what and I am really confident this CFL crap will be outa here within 18months. Good on the Amatuer league for sticking it up em.

I know my info was correct hence the post.
Are the club people in the HFL strong enough to tell Owen & his board that they don't want anything to do with the CFL and give them a clear direction to tell Shipway, Rosser & co what to do with it, I don't think so!
It has to start at club level and my info is that maybe only 2 or 3 clubs have people with enough "balls" to do just that, the rest of them are full of 'p*ss & wind!
Too many 'yes men" and not enough guts to rock the CFL boat so in the end, you get what you deserve.
All that's been coming out of Alexandria Rd for 2-3 years is how bad the service from the apparel licensee is, yet Owen goes in for another term of 3 years, now that's a good business decision. Bet the local sports store lady is beside herself with joy, pigs ar$e!

Clever dick, have you got a personal vendetta against Owen, the HFL Board and the CFL? Your posts are starting to sound like a bit of a broken record on this thread and when you start having a crack at the HFL clubs and their "club people" then you are going to start getting people off side.

Go ahead and raise the issues you think there are with the CFL but don't start accusing clubs of not having enough balls to stand up for what they think is best for their club.

P1ss & Wind - pot calling kettle black??

No personal vendetta whatsoever against anyone except for the CFL and their "takeover of club footy " by default.With all the complaining that people are doing about damage the CFB will do to country footy or footy clubs in general, so far only the clubs in 1 league(SAAFL) have had the "balls" to tell their executive that they will not be dictated to by either the CFL or their own Executive on behalf of the CFL.
You tell me when the club people in any country league that are doing the whinging about the CFL, are actually going to direct their board to advise the CFL they really don't want to be part of it.
Action speaks much louder than words, if they are serious and lobby enough other clubs, I wouldn't have thought that was too hard to work out or are these individuals sitting back waiting for "someone other than them" to bring the issue to a head?
I could name the clubs who are dead against it but that may compromise something that happens in the future.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

[quote="The Gimp"]
Clever dick, have you got a personal vendetta against Owen, the HFL Board and the CFL? Your posts are starting to sound like a bit of a broken record on this thread and when you start having a crack at the HFL clubs and their "club people" then you are going to start getting people off side.

Go ahead and raise the issues you think there are with the CFL but don't start accusing clubs of not having enough balls to stand up for what they think is best for their club.

P1ss & Wind - pot calling kettle black??[/quote]

Ease up Gimp, if the hat fits wear it. Instead of returning fire on a poster who is clearly understanding of the potential ramifications to clubs and leagues across the state including ours (HFL), direct some of that attention to the very people who are trying to take over our league and those that are letting them which in the short and long terms will subsequently change the very dynamic in which we have enjoyed our association with the clubs.

Have you even considered that if the SAAFL aren't playing ball with the CFL and we comply to things like the points system, they (SAAFL clubs) will be able to recruit players from our clubs a lot easier than what we will be able to replace them.

Get over yourself man and make sure Birdwood are making a stand otherwise who knows, in time the proposed changes in how we have to run our league will spell the death of a club like Birdwood and if you look close enough at it you'll see that these threats are very real.

[Clever Dick]

From the HFL Central board:Jailbird wrote:
Understand where you are coming from CD. Just read the last CFL newsletter that did state all teams. I have done some price checking over the summer too and there is a definite hike in pricing with the 'preferred' suppliers. The only one that was half decent was kooga at $39+.



Ah yes, the company who has bought their way into the SANFL with a big bag of free goodies at the expense of companies that have supported the SANFL for years I bet Sandy Nelson & Sam Parkinson are really chuffed, they've supported the SANFL forever and get the ar$e as soon as a new kid comes along bearing freebies.
That's SANFL loyalty repaid for many years of service.
If anyone can to convince me that "the take" isn't alive at West Lakes, then I'll show you a company who has bought their presence into SA footy by donating product to the SANFL in 2009. A supplier of rugby apparel from Queensland who has a base now in SA but still manufactures in Qld and China, their donation of freebies to the SANFL last year has earned them a "preferred supplier" status, now why doesn't that surprise me,but at the expense of "locally made products" and local SA companies.
The argument can't be based on price because I doubt comparisons have been made, so it's all about 'we'll look after those who donate to our cause', or "you kiss my ar$e and you'll go all the way to the top of the list".
Companies like Sekem, the largest manufacturer of footy jumpers in Aust. I believe told Rosser & co what to do with their selection process and who can blame them. Why bastardize your products to suit the likes of the CFL?

[Howard]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

In case anyone wants to know where that money is coming from, it's coming out of yours & my club's coffers and more importantly your members/players will wear it somewhere whether it be in subs, additional levies, higher costs of food & beverages or higher costs of club merchandise.

I'm actually quite happy with Owen Lamshed's ability to run our league.

No one can answer me why we need the CFL from an operational point of view not to mention why we must wear the cost to do so..I would say it's simply a combination of creating a new job to save Wicker and Payze the pain of having to cut Glen Rosser loose and keep control of a league/s as they lose control of their own courtesy of the AFL.

It is patently obvious that the majority of people commenting (and sledging) the CFB have vested interests, namely administrators of leagues (Clever Dick, new dog old tricks etc) and have got their collective noses out of joint over the new structure.
The post relating to $$ earned by the SANFL staff is a joke, the continuous moaning over the CFB taking over is out of touch.
I'd suggest that these 'old' admin guys are spreading a load of rubbish and lies in a campaign to maintain their own control over their leagues and they have done so since the idea of the CFB taking over from the old Affiliated leagues council was first rolled out.

[shoe boy]

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It is patently obvious that the majority of people commenting (and sledging) the CFB have vested interests, namely administrators of leagues (Clever Dick, new dog old tricks etc) and have got their collective noses out of joint over the new structure. The post relating to $$ earned by the SANFL staff is a joke, the continuous moaning over the CFB taking over is out of touch.
I'd suggest that these 'old' admin guys are spreading a load of rubbish and lies in a campaign to maintain their own control over their leagues and they have done so since the idea of the CFB taking over from the old Affiliated leagues council was first rolled out.[/quote]

Howard how wrong you are!!!! Im no "old admin guy" just someone educated and concerned with the direction that grass roots footy is heading IF dirrected by the fat cats in the CFB!!!

[Esteban Vihaio]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

Oncosts have been between 25% and 30% at the last two jobs I have worked.

[Clever Dick]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

In case anyone wants to know where that money is coming from, it's coming out of yours & my club's coffers and more importantly your members/players will wear it somewhere whether it be in subs, additional levies, higher costs of food & beverages or higher costs of club merchandise.

I'm actually quite happy with Owen Lamshed's ability to run our league.

No one can answer me why we need the CFL from an operational point of view not to mention why we must wear the cost to do so..I would say it's simply a combination of creating a new job to save Wicker and Payze the pain of having to cut Glen Rosser loose and keep control of a league/s as they lose control of their own courtesy of the AFL.

It is patently obvious that the majority of people commenting (and sledging) the CFB have vested interests, namely administrators of leagues (Clever Dick, new dog old tricks etc) and have got their collective noses out of joint over the new structure.
The post relating to $$ earned by the SANFL staff is a joke, the continuous moaning over the CFB taking over is out of touch.
I'd suggest that these 'old' admin guys are spreading a load of rubbish and lies in a campaign to maintain their own control over their leagues and they have done so since the idea of the CFB taking over from the old Affiliated leagues council was first rolled out.

"Out of touch", well fill us in then with your obvious vast knowledge of future moves within country footy
And it is patently obvious you don't have much idea of the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! Change the name sure, but don't force clubs to conform to things against their will. Won't be long and leagues won't need a secretary or a president, it'll all be done via computer from West Lakes which may be possible, but since most people in clubs are volunteers, how are they going to organise, coerce and coordinate that?
Set up a poll to get peoples thoughts for or against the CFB, you would get a resounding negative vote, believe me.
Bet you're first in line to get your free pie warmer though!

[Howard]

CleverDick. Your sums are logical but you're missing some costs. If the salaries of these leeches are a combined 240k, there's a rule of thumb that says if that's what the salary is you double it for the total cost taking Workcover, Superannuation, office costs & motor vehicles and that's just off the top of my head. You could safely say the 3 people employed under the guise of the CFL are ultimately costing leagues and clubs around $500k.

In case anyone wants to know where that money is coming from, it's coming out of yours & my club's coffers and more importantly your members/players will wear it somewhere whether it be in subs, additional levies, higher costs of food & beverages or higher costs of club merchandise.

I'm actually quite happy with Owen Lamshed's ability to run our league.

No one can answer me why we need the CFL from an operational point of view not to mention why we must wear the cost to do so..I would say it's simply a combination of creating a new job to save Wicker and Payze the pain of having to cut Glen Rosser loose and keep control of a league/s as they lose control of their own courtesy of the AFL.

It is patently obvious that the majority of people commenting (and sledging) the CFB have vested interests, namely administrators of leagues (Clever Dick, new dog old tricks etc) and have got their collective noses out of joint over the new structure.
The post relating to $$ earned by the SANFL staff is a joke, the continuous moaning over the CFB taking over is out of touch.
I'd suggest that these 'old' admin guys are spreading a load of rubbish and lies in a campaign to maintain their own control over their leagues and they have done so since the idea of the CFB taking over from the old Affiliated leagues council was first rolled out.

"Out of touch", well fill us in then with your obvious vast knowledge of future moves within country footy
And it is patently obvious you don't have much idea of the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! Change the name sure, but don't force clubs to conform to things against their will. Won't be long and leagues won't need a secretary or a president, it'll all be done via computer from West Lakes which may be possible, but since most people in clubs are volunteers, how are they going to organise, coerce and coordinate that?
Set up a poll to get peoples thoughts for or against the CFB, you would get a resounding negative vote, believe me.
Bet you're first in line to get your free pie warmer though!

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" surely does not apply to the previous affiliated leagues council - this group were totally hamstrung by vested interests and were there in name only. They certainly needed an over haul, as per the original survey suggested most clubs saw this group as outdated an ineffectual. The CFB is a natural progression - get used to it!

Do they deliver the pie warmers? Yes please.