Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

[beenreal]

Dude, as stated before, don't take too much from membership figures because of the different way clubs report them.
I stand by the fact that if Magpie fans want their club to live they'll get out and do something proactive instead of just saying "meh, Ive paid my membership, that's enough" or "we're just unlucky" or "we just don't have rich supporters".
Stand up and save your club or keep making excuses and cop outs, its up to you Port fans. Time to be counted.

What part are you not getting "Dood". It's 1 cliche' after another. I've already said that Memberships, constant fundraisers and even good sponsors don't cut it anymore. It's viable gaming, function facilities and asset bases to borrow against that provide ongoing financial stability. If you don't believe me, look at West Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, even Norwood had some major real estate to sell for a tidy profit and good on them. The Port Magpies have none of that.

[Wedgie]

Dude, as stated before, don't take too much from membership figures because of the different way clubs report them.
I stand by the fact that if Magpie fans want their club to live they'll get out and do something proactive instead of just saying "meh, Ive paid my membership, that's enough" or "we're just unlucky" or "we just don't have rich supporters".
Stand up and save your club or keep making excuses and cop outs, its up to you Port fans. Time to be counted.

What part are you not getting "Dood". It's 1 cliche' after another. I've already said that Memberships, constant fundraisers and even good sponsors don't cut it anymore. It's viable gaming, function facilities and asset bases to borrow against that provide ongoing financial stability. If you don't believe me, look at West Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, even Norwood had some major real estate to sell for a tidy profit and good on them. The Port Magpies have none of that.

North had none of that , no real estate, no nothing, no offers from AFL clubs to merge, it was the fact they were closing the doors on the pokies parlour they had which was why they were dead in the water. North had less than what the Magpies currently do. Lobbying by fans, helping bring public awareness to it as well as a lot of hard work by board members changed that around. If Port fans/board are fair dinkum and love their club as much they'll do it.
If they can't be bothered they'll fall arse up, its that simple. They're fast losing my sympathy with the moaning and groaning and lack of action especially knowing what's happened behind the scenes with the proposal.
Now put your efforts into helping your club, you're probably doing the opposite at the moment. The way they and some fo their fans are at the moment going they'll deserve to go arse up and to it very well.

[Wedgie]

This will be poetic justice and Karma . The Port Adelaide Football Club made their choice even before the Crows were hastily created to offset Ports back door attempts to get to play with the Big Boys. I have no qualms about Port joining the AFL, it is what they wanted but don't tell me that they can have it both ways and be in the SANFL as well. That should never have been allowed, and just shows the weakness of the SANFL towards Port. Now the SANFL has needed to bail out Port because splitting the Club turned out to be a death sentence. So be it. I can not recall such a hullabaloo when West Torrens had to fold and combine with Woodville in 1990. West Torrens history went back almost as far as Port Adelaide. Not too much effort was afforded to save them at the time. Finally I hope that all the other clubs have the guts and sense to let Port Magpies go and it will be no great loss for me and many others.

My only problem is with the Media mainly 5aa .Last week stated on air that the WWTFC is in favour of the merger.Funny when I enquired with a high ranking eagle the answer was are we ? We haven't made up our minds yet !!So how can an ex rooster(ironic from a club that fought its way back) footballer make claims like this and get away with it!!

Eagles are most likely voting no (unless things have changed in the last week), Im suprised anyone still listens to 5AA, if you still do then whatever you hear just believe the opposite.
As far as votes go its no chance at this stage, not a lot likely to change due to the way its been handled.

[Mic]

Dude, as stated before, don't take too much from membership figures because of the different way clubs report them.
I stand by the fact that if Magpie fans want their club to live they'll get out and do something proactive instead of just saying "meh, Ive paid my membership, that's enough" or "we're just unlucky" or "we just don't have rich supporters".
Stand up and save your club or keep making excuses and cop outs, its up to you Port fans. Time to be counted.

What part are you not getting "Dood". It's 1 cliche' after another. I've already said that Memberships, constant fundraisers and even good sponsors don't cut it anymore. It's viable gaming, function facilities and asset bases to borrow against that provide ongoing financial stability. If you don't believe me, look at West Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, even Norwood had some major real estate to sell for a tidy profit and good on them. The Port Magpies have none of that.

Why not?

[beenreal]

Dude, as stated before, don't take too much from membership figures because of the different way clubs report them.
I stand by the fact that if Magpie fans want their club to live they'll get out and do something proactive instead of just saying "meh, Ive paid my membership, that's enough" or "we're just unlucky" or "we just don't have rich supporters".
Stand up and save your club or keep making excuses and cop outs, its up to you Port fans. Time to be counted.

What part are you not getting "Dood". It's 1 cliche' after another. I've already said that Memberships, constant fundraisers and even good sponsors don't cut it anymore. It's viable gaming, function facilities and asset bases to borrow against that provide ongoing financial stability. If you don't believe me, look at West Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, even Norwood had some major real estate to sell for a tidy profit and good on them. The Port Magpies have none of that.

North had none of that , no real estate, no nothing, no offers from AFL clubs to merge, it was the fact they were closing the doors on the pokies parlour they had which was why they were dead in the water. North had less than what the Magpies currently do. Lobbying by fans, helping bring public awareness to it as well as a lot of hard work by board members changed that around. If Port fans/board are fair dinkum and love their club as much they'll do it.
If they can't be bothered they'll fall arse up, its that simple. They're fast losing my sympathy with the moaning and groaning and lack of action especially knowing what's happened behind the scenes with the proposal.
Now put your efforts into helping your club, you're probably doing the opposite at the moment. The way they and some fo their fans are at the moment going they'll deserve to go arse up and to it very well.

Give me a break Wedgie. None of us want your sympathy and I pray for an individual worth $400M to step up and guarantee the future of my club.

In 1995/96, most of the tangible assets of the Magpies were taken by the Power. Compensation was $800K, plus $300K in player transfer payments. A large chunk of this was spent in building new training/ rehab facilities at Ethelton.

Since then in attracting income, the Magpies have had to live with an entity basically sharing the same name, the same oval and catering to the same supporter base, but on a bigger scale.

[bayman]

forgetting whatever the cause of ports plight & problems are, ports problem atm is their arrogant history (i don't hear too many central supporters carrying on like MOST port people use to), how many times did we hear quips like ''port is south australian football'' ''how many premierships have you won'' barry curtain in sportsbeat after central won their first premiership with the headline (paraphrasing) '' 'dogs now only 3 flags behind the bays'' where was the credit to central ? no just a dig at glenelg & he had plenty more digs at EVERY OTHER TEAM when he was writing for sPORTsbeat......this type of attitude is why clubs are reluctant to 'help' along with offcourse no one knows what the plan is & clubs will not trust them because that trust was destroyed in 1989.....personally i want them to stay in & preferably at the bottom of the table

[Wedgie]

Give me a break Wedgie. None of us want your sympathy

No problems mate, if you don't want our sympathy then don't ask our clubs to make a vote on a proposal that's been anything but rock solid.

[JK]

Since then in attracting income, the Magpies have had to live with an entity basically sharing the same name, the same oval and catering to the same supporter base, but on a bigger scale.

I actually agree with a lot of the points you're making Beenreal, but I dont think this one above helps the PAMs cause, because basically it can be resolved by their absence, which is not what you, all Magpies and many other SANFL supporters (including myself) want.

[Barto]

None of us want your sympathy.

Why is your club canvassing for the support of the rest of the league? Get the club to stop if that's the case.

In 1995/96, most of the tangible assets of the Magpies were taken by the Power. Compensation was $800K, plus $300K in player transfer payments. A large chunk of this was spent in building new training/ rehab facilities at Ethelton.

Since then in attracting income, the Magpies have had to live with an entity basically sharing the same name, the same oval and catering to the same supporter base, but on a bigger scale.

Isn't that what Port wanted when they made their bid for a club in the AFL? Why are Port complaining about this now?

[beenreal]

None of us want your sympathy.

Why is your club canvassing for the support of the rest of the league? Get the club to stop if that's the case.

In 1995/96, most of the tangible assets of the Magpies were taken by the Power. Compensation was $800K, plus $300K in player transfer payments. A large chunk of this was spent in building new training/ rehab facilities at Ethelton.

Since then in attracting income, the Magpies have had to live with an entity basically sharing the same name, the same oval and catering to the same supporter base, but on a bigger scale.

Isn't that what Port wanted when they made their bid for a club in the AFL? Why are Port complaining about this now?

Don't be naive Barto. Port Adelaide's proposal is of a business nature nothing more. And that is why it is being well received by most who have read it.

And yes Port Adelaide ultimately wanted a club in the SANFL. But under their umbrella, NOT one that had to pick itself up and start fresh down at Ethelton.

[nickname]

I don't think that's right. Port originally didn't want to maintain a presence in the SANFL but the SA Football Commission of the time insisted on it.

[beenreal]

I don't think that's right. Port originally didn't want to maintain a presence in the SANFL but the SA Football Commission of the time insisted on it.

You're right, that's why I said "ultimately". When forced into it, Port's wish was to have the sides linked with dual Memberships, sponsorships, etc. What we got was the bastardised version that has now caused the current problems.

[nickname]

I don't think that's right. Port originally didn't want to maintain a presence in the SANFL but the SA Football Commission of the time insisted on it.

You're right, that's why I said "ultimately". When forced into it, Port's wish was to have the sides linked with dual Memberships, sponsorships, etc. What we got was the bastardised version that has now caused the current problems.

That's right, and now all those things that were insisted on to maintain the two Ports as separate entities are, it is proposed, to be wound back. I think that's a core issue. The concerns that the clubs had in 1996 remain as concerns.

[therisingblues]

It looks to me as though there are two types of Port supporters now. There are those that just want the magpies to die and hold no reservations about throwing that line out just to prove that this whole "Magpies in trouble" business is beneath them, because they are big AFL followers so screw the SANFL. Michaelangelo Rucci wrote a piece in the Advertiser to this effect.
The other sort are the ones that still love their Magpies and they're the ones still arguing for their existence in the SANFL.
I think it is only natural that some people would go along with the glamour, the glitz, and the silly little icons on the telecasts that wiggle every time something happens, that the AFL supplies. Sturt and North were fortunate not to have a club in the AFL bearing their club's name, syphoning off supporters that otherwise (as history shows) swarmed around the determined core groups that saved those two clubs.
At Sturt we had club legend Sandy Nelson that stood in the Harry McKay stand, gathered a few hundred supporters around him and swore that we weren't going to die. North had (to my understanding. I was in Japan and internet illiterate at the time) Wedgie who organised a march to save the roosters. Around these determined souls thousands of others followed and the clubs were saved.
But owing to their unique situation, all the people of influence at Alberton are too busy with the Power, and not too concerned with the Magpies. The obvious solution for them would be to merge the two clubs called Port into one club called Port, or just let the coccoon that is currently faltering in the SANFL to die off.
Reading this thread it appears most have little or no sympathy for them, preferring to wave misdeeds of the past as valid reasons to not save them now. They tend to forget that the arrogant mob who authored those misdeeds are the same ones that manouvered to join the AFL, the same ones (in most likelihood) that don't give a shit about the Magpies now.
And that is the mob you should be angry at. Not the considerably smaller group who still follow the Magpies as their primary football interest.
I still believe that if we cut the Magpies out of the SANFL it would be a big loss. Each time the SANFL had to give up a team to the AFL it became a little weaker, this would weaken it even more. Now I know a lot of people have valid reasons, stemming from a concern that Port are receiving an unfair advantage, but a lot of people seem motivated by revenge, and they should be taking their revenge out against the mob who really don't care what happens to the Magpies.
However, the main ones who'll get punished are those that have continued to follow the Magpies in spite of their recent poor form. Without reservation, these are the true Magpie fans and have shown much more loyalty to the SANFL than those who only follow the Power. It is truly ironic that these loyal fans should have to bear the burden of crimes perpetrated by their flippant AFL cousins.

[Go Legs]

I know a lot of people have valid reasons, stemming from a concern that Port are receiving an unfair advantage, but a lot of people seem motivated by revenge, and they should be taking their revenge out against the mob who really don't care what happens to the Magpies.

Don't worry about the Power, they will get theirs in buckets as well, when after all this they still cannot return a dividend to the SANFL and the licence gets sold off to a Tasmanian consortium, lock stock and barrel.


As for true Port Magpie supporters, they are as loyal as any other supporter in the SANFL, they will wither on the vine or, hopefully join another club, if they do, they are most welcome at Norwood, it's those that we want and need at any club.


Every time I go to Alberton I see the old player/warriors manning the BBQ, these are the Men and Women of Port Magpies I trully feel got shafted by the Power and have my entire sympathies

Cheers,

[Booney]

Give me a break Wedgie. None of us want your sympathy

No problems mate, if you don't want our sympathy then don't ask our clubs to make a vote on a proposal that's been anything but rock solid.

We only ask that you have a look at it...

[topsywaldron]

We only ask that you have a look at it...

Port finally showed their proposal to Norwood last Friday.

[Barto]

At Sturt we had club legend Sandy Nelson that stood in the Harry McKay stand.

Hate to be pedantic but it was Phil Sanders. Apart from that, excellent points.


Despite it all, they do have the highest membership in the SANFL and it's not like those people are suddenly going to jump on the Power (if they havent already) when their club dies.

[UK Fan]

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[UK Fan]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

BRILLIANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the PAFC injects millions into us. Then why should we support a merger that will make you less of a blight on us ??????????

Contradiction number 44 for the port fans.