Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

[beenreal]

Maybe they could run the Magpies with some of the $10M the Power injects into the SANFL?

I assume you are referring to the money the SANFL makes from hosting AFL games at Footy Park. They already do, its called your SANFL dividend, some of which you had advanced to you late last year...

Are you saying Port Magpies should get more than the other 8 clubs??

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

[am Bays]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

[beenreal]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

You just keep believing that if it makes you feel better.

[nickname]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Well, if they're injecting it into one arm, they're draining it from the other.

[whufc]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

You just keep believing that if it makes you feel better.

Do you seriously no think that the Port Magpies situation is even remotely their own fault...............................
talk about one eyed support

[CUTTERMAN]

All I can say is.
Prepare to bend over PAMFC for the next few years you will be teased, raped, plundered, abused, sold out and then laughed at by your own kind. I'm sorry to say but it just doesn't add up.

[Squawk]

If the two AFL teams are going to move to Adelaide Oval, then why cant the SANFL advance some money to the Magpies from that deal? I mean, they wont be going unless they will be better off for it, so presumably the SANFL clubs will get something out of it - a special dividend from the sale of Footy Park, for example?

I haven't read the whole thread, but in short I say save the Magpies, and condemn the Power to be accountable for having a licence to print money in the last 13 years but apparently having no printing machines or qualified operators who can do the job.

[Barto]

Do you seriously no think that the Port Magpies situation is even remotely their own fault...............................
talk about one eyed support

If you want to see some no blame stuff, head over to Big Footy; it will break your brain.

The SANFL and it's clubs are just parasites leeching off Port Adelaide apparently.

[beenreal]

Do you seriously no think that the Port Magpies situation is even remotely their own fault...............................
talk about one eyed support

If you want to see some no blame stuff, head over to Big Footy; it will break your brain.

The SANFL and it's clubs are just parasites leeching off Port Adelaide apparently.

Yes some of the BF posters can get a little carried away. But the fact remains, most of what I've read here are simply cliches' repeated ad nauseam. Both the PAFC and the AFC have pumped Millions into the coffers of the SANFL as a result of vastly one-sided stadium deals negotiated at a time when there were no "live against the gate" telecasts and much more "supporter friendly" match programming, etc.

[o five]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

[beenreal]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

Speaking of being Propped up. Heard from Rob Gerard lately?

[am Bays]

Speaking of being Propped up. Heard from Rob Gerard lately?

Gee Beereal, the last three years with the Power tells how much you mob were being propped up by an influential South Australian - Alan Scott. The magpies are in the trouble they are because he stopped supporting the Magpies and went to the Power.

Don't moan because one club still has their benefector with a pulse and hasn't been told that he was wrong.

As Glenelg supporter I know how the Mapgpies feel on this given the amount of Sponsors we lost between October 1990 and March 1991 due to a new AFL entity. At least you had 18 months to plan for it, though we had three. Then again Scott dumped us for the Magpies. We traded our way out of it why can't you??

[Wedgie]

No, as much as I'm tired of hearing about "alleged" bad management from individuals looking down from their ivory towers, I'm also sick of hearing about how much the Power get "propped up", when the PAFC injects Millions into the SANFL.

Yeah? Well I'm sick of looking down on people in quicksand trying to tell me how they should be helped when this mess is their own making. The SANFL manage football for all of us in SA, not just the two AFL clubs. Face it, the Crows and Power are just business assets of the SANFL there to make money so the rest of us can enjoy real football, the SANFL.

Speaking of being Propped up. Heard from Rob Gerard lately?

Don't all club have a major sponsor?
Rob Gerard went Guarantor for loans we took out in 2003 (since the SANFL wouldn't). It definately helped and we might not be around without the service he provided but North currently make mega bucks through smart business decisions and 2 very profitable venues.
Any pity you may have had is soon being evaporated from your sooking about other clubs and that's if it hasn't already evaporated from the stories Port have been conveying to the media for those who know what's going on behind the scenes. Perhaps if supporters got off their arse and did something like the North fans did in 2003 things might start happening? That would involve effort though, constant bleating and displaying jealousy of what other clubs are doing is much easier.

[beenreal]

Speaking of being Propped up. Heard from Rob Gerard lately?

Gee Beereal, the last three years with the Power tells how much you mob were being propped up by an influential South Australian - Alan Scott. The magpies are in the trouble they are because he stopped supporting the Magpies and went to the Power.

Don't moan because one club still has their benefector with a pulse and hasn't been told that he was wrong.

As Glenelg supporter I know how the Mapgpies feel on this given the amount of Sponsors we lost between October 1990 and March 1991 due to a new AFL entity. At least you had 18 months to plan for it, though we had three. Then again Scott dumped us for the Magpies. We traded our way out of it why can't you??

Other way around actually. Scotts is major sponsor of the Magpies. And Glenelg (and others) traded to a position of strength leveraging against assets built up over many years. In 1996 all the PAFC assets went to the Power, leaving the Magpies to start again as a separate club.

And as for "getting off their arses", looking at the Membership table, no-one should point the finger at Magpies supporters:

Port Adelaide 1327
Norwood 1210
Woodville West Torrens 1011
West Adelaide 1007
North Adelaide 916
Glenelg 737
Central District
Sturt
South Adelaide

[Wedgie]

Speaking of being Propped up. Heard from Rob Gerard lately?

Gee Beereal, the last three years with the Power tells how much you mob were being propped up by an influential South Australian - Alan Scott. The magpies are in the trouble they are because he stopped supporting the Magpies and went to the Power.

Don't moan because one club still has their benefector with a pulse and hasn't been told that he was wrong.

As Glenelg supporter I know how the Mapgpies feel on this given the amount of Sponsors we lost between October 1990 and March 1991 due to a new AFL entity. At least you had 18 months to plan for it, though we had three. Then again Scott dumped us for the Magpies. We traded our way out of it why can't you??

Other way around actually. Scotts is major sponsor of the Magpies. And Glenelg (and others) traded to a position of strength leveraging against assets built up over many years. In 1996 all the PAFC assets went to the Power, leaving the Magpies to start again as a separate club.

And as for "getting off their arses", looking at the Membership table, no-one should point the finger at Magpies supporters:

Port Adelaide 1327
Norwood 1210
Woodville West Torrens 1011
West Adelaide 1007
North Adelaide 916
Glenelg 737
Central District
Sturt
South Adelaide

Simply signing a form and handing over a couple of dollars is not getting off your arse, in fact you can do it while sitting on your arse next to a PC or phone! If that's all Port fans do then they deserve to fall over.

[Reddeer]

This will be poetic justice and Karma . The Port Adelaide Football Club made their choice even before the Crows were hastily created to offset Ports back door attempts to get to play with the Big Boys. I have no qualms about Port joining the AFL, it is what they wanted but don't tell me that they can have it both ways and be in the SANFL as well. That should never have been allowed, and just shows the weakness of the SANFL towards Port. Now the SANFL has needed to bail out Port because splitting the Club turned out to be a death sentence. So be it. I can not recall such a hullabaloo when West Torrens had to fold and combine with Woodville in 1990. West Torrens history went back almost as far as Port Adelaide. Not too much effort was afforded to save them at the time. Finally I hope that all the other clubs have the guts and sense to let Port Magpies go and it will be no great loss for me and many others.

[Mic]

The Port fans I know have argued for years that the Magpies are a new club that was formed in 1997, and Port Power are the historic club of 140+ years of history. So I guess it's no big deal if Port Magpies fold because it's only 12 years of history being lost.

[beenreal]

Other way around actually. Scotts is major sponsor of the Magpies. And Glenelg (and others) traded to a position of strength leveraging against assets built up over many years. In 1996 all the PAFC assets went to the Power, leaving the Magpies to start again as a separate club.

And as for "getting off their arses", looking at the Membership table, no-one should point the finger at Magpies supporters:

Port Adelaide 1327
Norwood 1210
Woodville West Torrens 1011
West Adelaide 1007
North Adelaide 916
Glenelg 737
Central District
Sturt
South Adelaide

Simply signing a form and handing over a couple of dollars is not getting off your arse, in fact you can do it while sitting on your arse next to a PC or phone! If that's all Port fans do then they deserve to fall over.[/quote]

Nothing like Cherry picking the points you want to disagree with Wedgie. Port supporters have continually bought memberships, set up True Believer ($2) Funds, Commemorative wall plaques, etc. for a number of years now. Without a substantial asset base and viable Function Centre it simply doesn't work in today's marketplace. South Adelaide are the supreme example; minimal supporter/ membership base but financially sound because they keep all the revenue generated from their social facilities.

[Wedgie]

Dude, as stated before, don't take too much from membership figures because of the different way clubs report them.
I stand by the fact that if Magpie fans want their club to live they'll get out and do something proactive instead of just saying "meh, Ive paid my membership, that's enough" or "we're just unlucky" or "we just don't have rich supporters".
Stand up and save your club or keep making excuses and cop outs, its up to you Port fans. Time to be counted.

[Mickyj]

This will be poetic justice and Karma . The Port Adelaide Football Club made their choice even before the Crows were hastily created to offset Ports back door attempts to get to play with the Big Boys. I have no qualms about Port joining the AFL, it is what they wanted but don't tell me that they can have it both ways and be in the SANFL as well. That should never have been allowed, and just shows the weakness of the SANFL towards Port. Now the SANFL has needed to bail out Port because splitting the Club turned out to be a death sentence. So be it. I can not recall such a hullabaloo when West Torrens had to fold and combine with Woodville in 1990. West Torrens history went back almost as far as Port Adelaide. Not too much effort was afforded to save them at the time. Finally I hope that all the other clubs have the guts and sense to let Port Magpies go and it will be no great loss for me and many others.

My only problem is with the Media mainly 5aa .Last week stated on air that the WWTFC is in favour of the merger.Funny when I enquired with a high ranking eagle the answer was are we ? We haven't made up our minds yet !!So how can an ex rooster(ironic from a club that fought its way back) footballer make claims like this and get away with it!!