How many 20/20's and 50 overs should they play ?- options

[Hondo]

REBH that's what they said 30 years ago. Back then, the big thing was all these kids who were only going to be sloggers and test cricket would suffer. In fact, the opposite has been true in that test cricket has become more entertaining and a better game arguably.

What happens in reality is that the kids are attracted to the cricket by whatever means (currently T20) and then they evolve their skills from there as they grow older and start playing longer forms of the game. Same as AusKick is not the same version of the game that the adults play. It's just designed to get them into the game.

Remember that 50 over cricket was not very scientific or tactical in those early days and really was mostly slogging. Slogging and huge crowds. A generation later along came one of the most talented groups of Australian cricketers of any era. Was there a link?

[Hondo]

No, what you are really talking about is swaying those who aren't really into it. For me that says that teeball is never about the kids, but the coin.

They are linked. I am not going to deny the lure of the almighty dollar in all of this or try to say it's all about the kids. More money into the game isn't all bad anyway BTW.

But the kids are a side benefit to this. There's no doubt that some new cricket fans will be "swayed" from whatever else was taking up their lives and that's not a bad thing IMO. Remember how we all sang Come On Aussie 30 years ago? That was us 7 year olds REB (assuming you are about my age ) How many of our generation of cricket lovers were watching ABC test cricket coverage in 1976-77?

[Rik E Boy]

REBH that's what they said 30 years ago. Back then, the big thing was all these kids who were only going to be sloggers and test cricket would suffer. In fact, the opposite has been true in that test cricket has become more entertaining and a better game arguably.

What happens in reality is that the kids are attracted to the cricket by whatever means (currently T20) and then they evolve their skills from there as they grow older and start playing longer forms of the game. Same as AusKick is not the same version of the game that the adults play. It's just designed to get them into the game.

Remember that 50 over cricket was not very scientific or tactical in those early days and really was mostly slogging. Slogging and huge crowds. A generation later along came one of the most talented groups of Australian cricketers of any era. Was there a link?

You truly believe that teeball can be refined? That there is no difference by chopping off sixty percent of the shortened game? I know they said all that about 50 over cricket but to me there is a massive difference. For a start, with ten wickets in the shed and only 20 overs to bat the concept of a wicket becomes less important. I won't say meangingless because obviously you aren't going to score 10 runs an over if you are 3/6, but the wicket has lost a lot of value in the shortened game. The less overs you have to bat the less value is placed on the wicket. At the time that 50 over cricket was produced the West Indies were the most powerful cricketing force in the world, now they are an empty shell.....Was there a link?

For me the big problem is not so much the style of game that is played in Test Cricket in the future but the number of players good enough to play Test Cricket who are not playing it or not playing it as long as they should be. Test Cricket is a unique spectacle. For five days the best players from your country duke it out in a life and death struggle for supremacy. In the future Test Cricket will only be the best avialable cricketers and many might start playing the big shots so they can quit all this hard work and chase the teeball coin. We are going to have plenty of fast bowlers cutting short test careers in the future becasue they have a 'bruised toe'.

We have turned Cricket into a game that Americans understand - sacrificing a great game for a short term gain until the short attention span of the X-Box generation decide to roll their dollars in a different direction. In the meantime instead of Dean Jones and Dennis Lillee we get David Warner and Shaun Tait.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

No, what you are really talking about is swaying those who aren't really into it. For me that says that teeball is never about the kids, but the coin.

They are linked. I am not going to deny the lure of the almighty dollar in all of this or try to say it's all about the kids. More money into the game isn't all bad anyway BTW.

But the kids are a side benefit to this. There's no doubt that some new cricket fans will be "swayed" from whatever else was taking up their lives and that's not a bad thing IMO. Remember how we all sang Come On Aussie 30 years ago? That was us 7 year olds REB (assuming you are about my age ) How many of our generation of cricket lovers were watching ABC test cricket coverage in 1976-77?

Me. I started watching Cricket in the mid 1970's. My first cricket heroes were of course, Lillee and Thomson. I used to love the way that Thommo gave the batsman the two fingered salute whenever he took a wicket. How many kids will grow up and want to be a fast bowler these days when all they see is them getting flogged for 8-10 runs per over? It's like every Law student not wanting to be a defender.

regards,

REB

[Hondo]

One day cricket already took 77% of the overs from test cricket so, no, I don't see another 60% reduction as a huge difference down to T20.

We already barstardised test cricket and we did it 30-40 years ago and test cricket is still here and test cricketers are still here. We made the giant leap back then so T20 is a small step further IMO.

IMO, every argument you raise against T20 can be equally raised against "T50" and you could insert any of your posts (or Rod's of AH's) into a newspaper from 1978 and change "20 over" to "50 over" and you wouldn't know it wasn't ODI cricket you were criticising.

[Hondo]

At the time that 50 over cricket was produced the West Indies were the most powerful cricketing force in the world, now they are an empty shell.....Was there a link?

In all seriousness, I don't know enough about WI cricket to know if the one day game contributed to where they are now. I think there's probably a few factors. Maybe they need a T20 comp over there to re-ignite the passion in the kids!

[gadj1976]

REBH that's what they said 30 years ago. Back then, the big thing was all these kids who were only going to be sloggers and test cricket would suffer. In fact, the opposite has been true in that test cricket has become more entertaining and a better game arguably.

What happens in reality is that the kids are attracted to the cricket by whatever means (currently T20) and then they evolve their skills from there as they grow older and start playing longer forms of the game. Same as AusKick is not the same version of the game that the adults play. It's just designed to get them into the game.

Remember that 50 over cricket was not very scientific or tactical in those early days and really was mostly slogging. Slogging and huge crowds. A generation later along came one of the most talented groups of Australian cricketers of any era. Was there a link?

You truly believe that teeball can be refined? hat there is no difference by chopping off sixty percent of the shortened game? I know they said all that about 50 over cricket but to me there is a massive difference. For a start, with ten wickets in the shed and only 20 overs to bat the concept of a wicket becomes less important. I won't say meangingless because obviously you aren't going to score 10 runs an over if you are 3/6, but the wicket has lost a lot of value in the shortened game. The less overs you have to bat the less value is placed on the wicket. At the time that 50 over cricket was produced the West Indies were the most powerful cricketing force in the world, now they are an empty shell.....Was there a link?

For me the big problem is not so much the style of game that is played in Test Cricket in the future but the number of players good enough to play Test Cricket who are not playing it or not playing it as long as they should be. Test Cricket is a unique spectacle. For five days the best players from your country duke it out in a life and death struggle for supremacy. In the future Test Cricket will only be the best avialable cricketers and many might start playing the big shots so they can quit all this hard work and chase the teeball coin. We are going to have plenty of fast bowlers cutting short test careers in the future becasue they have a 'bruised toe'.

We have turned Cricket into a game that Americans understand - sacrificing a great game for a short term gain until the short attention span of the X-Box generation decide to roll their dollars in a different direction. In the meantime instead of Dean Jones and Dennis Lillee we get David Warner and Shaun Tait.

regards,

REB

REB, I was saying exactly that to some mates yesterday. In 5 years time when people tire of the current format, will it be 10/10? Or as I jested yesterday, because of the nature of us wanting bigger hitting, we issue the batsmen with tennis raquets and throw tennis balls to them.

At least ODI's are 'forgiving' to an extent. The team batting second in a 20/20 are stuffed if they get off to a bad start. That's not necessarily the case in a ODI.

There also seem to be more tactics to ODI's than 20/20 IMO. The 20/20 has done one thing for me, and that is renew my interest in Test and ODI's.

However I did like the Big Bash only 1. because cricket was on the TV (I'm starved of it on weekends when it seems there is no cricket on at all any more!!!) 2. The international players added a new flavour to it 3. because it was live sport on TV! I didn't watch the IPL last year and won't this year either. Too much "same same" for my liking.

[gadj1976]

Keep 20/20 for Domestic level.

Therefore 3 ODI's each vs Paki's and Windies is more that sufficient.

People got/are bored by the amount of ODI's that mean nothing (ie, this series) and therefore it should be scaled back IMO.

That's why they got rid of the non Australian games/triaglar series, due to the fact that there wasn't as many people at the games as they found it boring with Australia not playing.

To be honest ME, I think the standard of Australian cricket in comparison to the rest of the world is killing off interest in ODI's. At least with the 'hit n miss' mentality of 20/20, the rest of the world are a chance to beat the Aussies - that and Aust were late to take up the idea of switching teams between formats (ODI's to 20/20). Personally, because of Australia being 'too good' at the moment, I'd rather see a WI vs Pak game. Both these series will be 5-0 and mean absolutely diddly in the end.

[Hondo]

However I did like the Big Bash only 1. because cricket was on the TV (I'm starved of it on weekends when it seems there is no cricket on at all any more!!!) 2. The international players added a new flavour to it 3. because it was live sport on TV!

[Rik E Boy]

So there you have it hondo. 'We' watch teeball cos there's nothing else on.

regards,

REB

[saintal]

Bring back the triangular series, at least there was something to play for at the end of the summer, and personally I didn't mind the matches between the two touring sides. Usually a competitive match.

Scrap 20/20. A blight on our game Absolute crap.

[RoosterMarty]

The triangular series became stale and boring towards the end.

The teams would play too many matches against each other and nobody really cared when the two international teams squared off. I still think there are too many ODIs, watching the same teams play each other 5 times in a row in a ODI is a bit boring to be honest.

[mal]

REB
Mark down January 2011 in your diary
Dont pre influence
Take your boy to a 20/20 game
Report back your boys night out

QUESTION
Has anyone taken thier kids to 20/20 cricket
What was the kids verdict ?

[smac]

My kids love it, even Mrs Smac loves a night at a T20. I have also hosted many groups of kids at the cricket in various forms and T20 is the one they rave about.

[Brucetiki]

The triangular series became stale and boring towards the end.

The teams would play too many matches against each other and nobody really cared when the two international teams squared off. I still think there are too many ODIs, watching the same teams play each other 5 times in a row in a ODI is a bit boring to be honest.

The tri-series, while people weren't interested in the neutrals (9 began offloading them to Fox in the end), was IMO more enjoyable as the vast majority of games had meaning and the best of 3 finals series meant a team had to earn a series win, not fluke a series win. The tri series is a concept we didn't realise how much we'd miss it until they stopped playing it.

The new 5 game series are already stale in their second season. We've seen crowd numbers dwindle (19K to the Gabba, 30K to the SCG). Also, the series gets boring now as you're watching the same teams over and over again and becomes meaningless because you're only beating the same team over and over again.

I'd like to see the tri-series return (if 9 don't want the neutral games, let Fox show them) to add a bit of meaning to the ODI's. Alternatively, do what they did in 94-95 and include Australia A in a quad-series.

[HH3]

the introduction of xbox/playstation

Mate playstations and other video games have been around since the 80's...i dont think it can be blamed for people losing interest in things nowadays...bit of a cop out if you ask me..

[smac]

Get out there and ask the kids what they are doing when they stop playing cricket. Not a cop out at all, unfortunately.

[Rik E Boy]

REB
Mark down January 2011 in your diary
Dont pre influence
Take your boy to a 20/20 game
Report back your boys night out

QUESTION
Has anyone taken thier kids to 20/20 cricket
What was the kids verdict ?

Purlease. Every parent pre-influences thier children, and in much more important matters.

regards,

REB

[mal]

OK REB
But if he asks, and you take him, let me know if he enjoyed himself
It cant be hard to take him, I take my kid to roller skating and I get bored crapppless

[Rik E Boy]

OK REB
But if he asks, and you take him, let me know if he enjoyed himself
It cant be hard to take him, I take my kid to roller skating and I get bored crapppless

If he goes I'll file in my report. I hope you don't have travel to a place 40ks away with no parking when you take your kid to roller skating tho mate.

regards,

REB