possible new salary cap rules for sa local footy

[The Gimp]

After all that dribble DA, you still missed the point of the topic!! My opinion is that the current system of salary cap doesn't work in the Hills and that I think the points system has merit.

What's your opinion on the topic?

[devilsadvocate]

In all seriousness, I do agree that the salary cap is a joke.

I agree with SS that it all comes down to who teams pay, not how much. Sudjai Cook and Trent Ordinary Allen were prime examples this year. The former had discussions with Devs and was very quickly given his marching orders when $ was discussed. Plus I bet that last year there weren't many teams prepared to pay much for the untried and unheard of Trigga, Rosco and Flash, let alone take all 3. Fortune favours the brave!

My opinion on the points system is that it could work, but I disagree with a staggered points system based on where your club finishes.

There would be a lot of grey areas still though ie what constitutes a club bred player, and what happens when your juniors are forced to play for their school, then come back to the club?

Plus what HFL official is going to sit down each week and add up the points? After what happened with Blackwood's B's would you trust them to count each teams points each week and get it right?

[The Gimp]

I also agree with both, it's not how much you spend, it's what you spend it on.

From the paper work I've seen on the points system (currently being used in the Mornington Pen. league), it didn't mention anything about the staggered allocation according to ladder position, just on town population.

It would be interesting to see at the end of a season if the team with the highest points actually wins the premiership, I would imagine they'd be a top 3 side but probably not win it.

Agreed with a lot of grey areas. I think the SANFL are just gauging an interest from clubs at this stage.

[devilsadvocate]

I would guess that Uraidla probably had more 'points' in 2006 than the Devils - older team with more experiences SANFL league players. But I think the other 7 teams probably finished in order of their 'points'

[GWW]

Talking about it in the R.M.F.L. Have heard 34 points max when you pick a side.

Are you involved with any RMFL clubs toots?

[GetTheSherrin]

just get over the money issue. lets talk points. if what the gimp said is right about 1 point being taken off a player each year then it wouldnt bother us any way. ie trigger played league ron so he is worth 4 points minus 1 point each year at the club therefore he is worth 1 point this year. flash and rossco only played resies so theyd be worth 0 points this year. not sure what the point system would prove since we'd probably get our A grade side at about 15 points at the very most.

[toots]

Talking about it in the R.M.F.L. Have heard 34 points max when you pick a side.

Are you involved with any RMFL clubs toots?

not this year but have been over the 12 years .going to mallee next year

[ronburgandy]

just get over the money issue. lets talk points. if what the gimp said is right about 1 point being taken off a player each year then it wouldnt bother us any way. ie trigger played league ron so he is worth 4 points minus 1 point each year at the club therefore he is worth 1 point this year. flash and rossco only played resies so theyd be worth 0 points this year. not sure what the point system would prove since we'd probably get our A grade side at about 15 points at the very most.

i don't think that the points will be deducted as easily as that. how could trigger be worth less points than a local! i think that trigger playing every year may earn a reduction but not 1 point for every year, possible .25 of a point for every year. if it was 1 point a year deducted lofty and other clubs wouldn't even make 10 points coz the locals would be worthless. as i said i have onlky heard the generall idea of the points system and don't no the true nuts and bolts. i think the system will encourage locals because the more locals you have the more outside players you can bring to a club. lofty still have alot of locals for a relativly a small area compared to uri's who dare i say would be up sh*t creek without a paddle even if they were allocated extra points

[The Gimp]

just get over the money issue. lets talk points. if what the gimp said is right about 1 point being taken off a player each year then it wouldnt bother us any way. ie trigger played league ron so he is worth 4 points minus 1 point each year at the club therefore he is worth 1 point this year. flash and rossco only played resies so theyd be worth 0 points this year. not sure what the point system would prove since we'd probably get our A grade side at about 15 points at the very most.

Every player is worth at least a point, so therefore the team starts with a minimum 21 points.

As I understand it, a local will always be equal to or less that an import because even if a local has played over 50 games in the AFL when they come back to their "home" club they revert back to a base points (1 point) player. It will take an import around 5 years at the same club to revert back to be a 1 point player (if they had the same experience).

[The Gimp]

Talking about it in the R.M.F.L. Have heard 34 points max when you pick a side.

Are you involved with any RMFL clubs toots?

not this year but have been over the 12 years .going to mallee next year

With Tailem???

[toots]

Talking about it in the R.M.F.L. Have heard 34 points max when you pick a side.

Are you involved with any RMFL clubs toots?

not this year but have been over the 12 years .going to mallee next year

With Tailem???

no same style jumper one different colour.

[FlyingHigh]

Deducting of points is a good idea, because if an "outside" player keeps coming back year after year, then they are obviously committed to the club moreso than just chasing money. On Yorke Peninsula an "outside" player becomes a "local" after 50 games, which is 3 1/2 seasons, but virtually four because it is hard to get big-name recruits half way through a sesason.

Only change I'd make would be not losing any points after one year, but then lose 2 after 2 years, ie go from 5 to 3.

[ronburgandy]

flyinghigh was the point sytem worked in your local league and if so how succesful was it?

[shoey]

you lofty boys seem very touchy when money gets mentioned even an outsider can see that you must have spent a fair amount of coin to get where you are today however as was mentioned earlier it was money well spent on players who deserve it. If you have got it spend it thats the way footy is these days you have to spend to compete with everyone else

[FlyingHigh]

Ron, no points system - players are just "outside" or "local", but outsiders become locals after a certain number of games.

[devilsadvocate]

you lofty boys seem very touchy when money gets mentioned even an outsider can see that you must have spent a fair amount of coin to get where you are today however as was mentioned earlier it was money well spent on players who deserve it. If you have got it spend it thats the way footy is these days you have to spend to compete with everyone else

Agreed. The reason we get fired up is because just about everyone from another club who posts on this site has called us cheats. The facts are yes we spent money, yes we won a flag, no we wouldn't have spent the most in the comp on our players and no we didn't break the salary cap.

I'm happy to admit we spent money, and the players who received it, deserved it. But anyone accusing us of cheating is a peanut and doesn't know their elbow from their ass.

It's like everything in life. You gotta spend money to make money. The smarter you spend, the greater the result.

[shoey]

how much do ya reckon the cabbage cutters would have spent last season i'm tipping it would have been a fair bit.

[devilsadvocate]

Shoey, Hard to say, but I think they would have paid 60-70% of their side,

I'd say given 65% of the side (say 13 players) at an average of $170 (very rough guess at an average) for 16 games (do players get paid for finals? - not sure?).

13 Players x $170 per game x 16 games = $35,360

So even though Cabbage would have paid a lot more players than the Devils, they were probably within the salary cap (just).

For the Devils, I can only count 8 that were paid (excl coach - is the coach included?). Using the same rationale as Cabbage (but say $220 average per player):

8 Players x $220 per game x 16 games = $28,160.

This will open the floodgates of abuse directed at me, but the fact is there were more 'homegrown' players in our premiership side than people give us credit for. 13 of the premiership side were Devils born and bred. Would love to know Uri's number!

[Rapper]

Does the $35,000 cap include the coach?

[Jayne]

Does the $35,000 cap include the coach?

To the best of my knowledge no it does not; that is how playing coaches / assistants get $1,000 a year to play and $11,000 to coach....