Proposed model for the Magpies - Power Joint Venture?

[Sojourner]

There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors occuring in relation to the publicising of details about the specific model that is being proposed for the joint venture between the Magpies and the Power. Does anyone know if this proposed model will be released at any time to the SANFL footballing public prior to the clubs voting on the proposal?

Considering the nature of what is being voted through, it seems appropriate that each of the SANFL clubs should be canvassing their members for their thoughts on the issue, although I am hardly surprised if they dont want to do that either!

The other question is, if the model of the joint venture that is proposed is able to prove beyond doubt that this will increase their revenue streams to both groups, then why are other SANFL clubs not pursuing that with other AFL franchises? Tiwi are already in with Essendon, so will West Adelaide be looking to tap into that in a similar vein? Is the SANFL going to give that the green light if Port have a joint venture with the Power that other clubs will also be permitted to form joint ventures with other AFL sides?

[Wedgie]

I was tempted to start a poll on this, wondering if most people are for it or against it.
I'd be for it but it would want a pretty serious review process down the track where the clubs still had the right to change things.

[nickname]

It sounds like the VFL comp to me, which is a bastardised mad-woman's breakfast of a competition.

[Hondo]

If there was a JV with an AFL club and a SANFL club it wouldn't have to between teams with the same colours

Not that I think it would happen but, for the sake of the discussion, if Essendon wanted to do that I am sure they wouldn't feel limited to the SANFL team with a red and black colour scheme. They would do whatever was in their best interests be it Westies or anyone.

[bayman]

be interesting to hear the reports back from their AGM, was it last night or next thursday ?

[goraw]

geez dunno, alleway could fill a roll in our 2 clubs(crows/roosters) but will craigy play him round 1? depends if gilly comes up .maybe moran can get up. dunno.we have lots of options now.i reckon the porps at richmond round 1 looks good.


ABSOLUTELY NOT.






30 BEERS IN ME I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THE POINT

[FlyingHigh]

The interstate draftees all playing at the Magpies is an interesting issue.
I don't think it would become much of an issue provided there was some compensation, whether it be monetary or player-wise, or both, to the team who had that corresponding mini-draft pick.
For instance the Power pay South the SANFL transfer fee and the Maggies and South have to agree to the transfer of one Magpies player.
The Power would be up for, at a guess, $60-10000 to keep all these recruits where they want them.
This would probably mean 3-4 players from the Magpies being turned over, which could cause them some disruption to the Maggies and the attitudes of their younger players, but then again there are always players wanting to leave clubs, eg Kyle Jenner may become South's player, but no reason he coudln't then transfer to CEntrals as per normal.
Both clubs are taking the chance that for every Angwin, Farmer, Peel (in terms of the value the SANFL club gets, as opposed to their overall football ability eg Farmer might become a valuable player at Richmond), there will be a Mark McKenzie that Port will gain and another SANFL club will give up.
Anyway, just a thought.

[Psyber]

But if the Power/Maggies get control of their interstate recruits the Crows will want the same benefit.
Which team becomes the Crows reserve club?
Would any of the SANFL clubs want this role or not?

[Go Legs]

I was tempted to start a poll on this, wondering if most people are for it or against it.

Poll running on NFC members forum, and it doesn't look good for the PAMFC.

Cheers

[nickname]

The interstate draftees all playing at the Magpies is an interesting issue.

That aspect has been dropped from the amended proposal now.

[UK Fan]

There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors occuring in relation to the publicising of details about the specific model that is being proposed for the joint venture between the Magpies and the Power. Does anyone know if this proposed model will be released at any time to the SANFL footballing public prior to the clubs voting on the proposal?

Considering the nature of what is being voted through, it seems appropriate that each of the SANFL clubs should be canvassing their members for their thoughts on the issue, although I am hardly surprised if they dont want to do that either!

The other question is, if the model of the joint venture that is proposed is able to prove beyond doubt that this will increase their revenue streams to both groups, then why are other SANFL clubs not pursuing that with other AFL franchises? Tiwi are already in with Essendon, so will West Adelaide be looking to tap into that in a similar vein? Is the SANFL going to give that the green light if Port have a joint venture with the Power that other clubs will also be permitted to form joint ventures with other AFL sides?

100% Against the merger. The whole it will cost you less cos we will be less of a burden on you is the biggest load of BS i have hears in a long time. We get $350K from port no matter what .

Unless PAMFC no longer is entitled to gain dividends & the PAFC doesnt increase its offer on proposed returns. Should not even be looked at.

Does any other SANFL clubs get their marketing and admin costs taking care of in the proposal????

[Booney]

So then UK, you'd be happy to see your club compete in an SANFL with no Port Magpies?

[FlyingHigh]

But if the Power/Maggies get control of their interstate recruits the Crows will want the same benefit.
Which team becomes the Crows reserve club?
Would any of the SANFL clubs want this role or not?

All valid questions, Psyber, but even with the above suggestion, I don't see it advantaging the SANFL club too much.

[FlyingHigh]

The interstate draftees all playing at the Magpies is an interesting issue.

That aspect has been dropped from the amended proposal now.

No worries, thanks nn.

[Wedgie]

At the end of the day its an SANFL with the magpies and a bye versus a SANFL without the magpies and without the bye.
As far as monies go, clubs would get higher dividends and probably better returns from their own business if there is no bye.
I don't want the Magpies to go but I also don't want a bye.

[topsywaldron]

So then UK, you'd be happy to see your club compete in an SANFL with no Port Magpies?

This quote sums up the problem with the proposed merger, anytime there's opposition the reply is always along the lines of 'but we're the Port Magpies you can't let us fold'.

I'm sorry but a decade of mismanagement and poor business decisions is not enough reason to let Port tear up the fabric of football in the state yet again. Whilst I know I sound like I'm running for the North Adelaide Board I have just one question for Port Magpies supporters.

Would they have been happy if their club had voted to allow a similar merger between Norwood and the Crows when the administrators came within days of being called in at the Parade five or six years ago?

[zipzap]

Is the SANFL going to give that the green light if Port have a joint venture with the Power that other clubs will also be permitted to form joint ventures with other AFL sides?

North have stated, possibly tongue in cheek, that they would investigate forming a link with the Crows if the Power arrangement went through. This was reiterated by the President on 5AA last night.

[UK Fan]

So then UK, you'd be happy to see your club compete in an SANFL with no Port Magpies?

Dont want them to die. But If they cant afford to survive then thats what happens to football clubs as sad as that maybe. Have you really been integral to the SANFLs last decade ????

Sorry booney no offence. But this whole contradiction of its the SANFL fault the magpies are alive cos we forced them to stay in the SANFL . Yet if we kill you, thus correcting that mistake its cos we have long memories and are jealous is utter crap.

If the only way for the magpies to survive is to give them advantages not available to any other of the SANFL clubs. Then I dont see how that can be justified.

To quote another poster on another thread. Live by the sword die by the sword.

[Psyber]

So then UK, you'd be happy to see your club compete in an SANFL with no Port Magpies?

Sorry Booney, though I understand your feelings at potentially losing your club, the Maggies really are not more important then any other SANFL team, and don't merit special treatment..
[My previously expressed anger about both Port team's management's attitude and past behaviour is not directed at you or any other supporter personally.]

[Hondo]

Would they have been happy if their club had voted to allow a similar merger between Norwood and the Crows when the administrators came within days of being called in at the Parade five or six years ago?

did Norwood have a team in the AFL competing with it's SANFL team?

It's fine to say that PAM will get an advantage from this merger compared to the other 8 clubs but arguably they are currently disadvantaged compared to those 8 teams by having an direct AFL team dividing it's supporter base. Whether it's self-inflicted or not, or whether the original supporter number estimates were wrong, is irrelevant as to the decision now at hand.

PAM's current situation is unique from those faced by other SANFL teams in the past (to some extent, not all) in that in no other case has an AFL team been a direct competitor for assets and revenues. That doesn't explain all of their current financial plight I am sure (mismanagement would be a factor too) but neither can it be ignored as a real issue that no other SANFL club faces. No other SANFL club handed over most of it's assets to an AFL team and started from scratch?

To me, a merger puts things back to how they should have been from the start. Just get on with it and lets focus back on footy.