Adelaide Suburban Cricket Association 2009-10

[wycbloods]

so whats the go with the associations stance on players coming back from grade cricket during byes and rained out games... i was told by southern districts to go back during the bye and hopefully get some time in the middle due to the limited cricket we have played and according to the saca aslong as i have dual rego there is nothing stopping me?

Not sure JB. I would think that your bye being after the 31st of Jan would be the only cause for concern.

I wouldn't bank on time in the middle against us either, we will get hoppy to bowl the straight one a bit earlier this time .

[The sarge]

travelled down to North Haven yesterday to have a look at the association games. Both Teams batted well but every time against Para Districts it seems like they chase the runs down. I was very impressed with Brad Christie with the bat in the 21's game. I think he made 84 and played some very nice shots. Also Adam Wilson bowled very well alond with Kingy. In the Seniors game Rusty made 77 off 65 balls I think and he looked in awesome form.

Dissapointing for the Sheidow boys to go down in the last over to ANA again. I don't think this one was as Heartbreaking as last years loss to them though. Seemed like a pretty good round of cricket with about 4 section 1 games decided in the last over of the match.

[The sarge]

so whats the go with the associations stance on players coming back from grade cricket during byes and rained out games... i was told by southern districts to go back during the bye and hopefully get some time in the middle due to the limited cricket we have played and according to the saca aslong as i have dual rego there is nothing stopping me?

Not sure JB. I would think that your bye being after the 31st of Jan would be the only cause for concern.

I wouldn't bank on time in the middle against us either, we will get hoppy to bowl the straight one a bit earlier this time .

The first week of our bye is on the 30th Bloods.

[wycbloods]

Dissapointing for the Sheidow boys to go down in the last over to ANA again. I don't think this one was as Heartbreaking as last years loss to them though. Seemed like a pretty good round of cricket with about 4 section 1 games decided in the last over of the match.

Must have been hard for your guys to lose to the bays in that fashion again. But it does say that they are not far from it despite the player changes.

Must have been the best round of section 1 cricket for a while.

[wycbloods]

so whats the go with the associations stance on players coming back from grade cricket during byes and rained out games... i was told by southern districts to go back during the bye and hopefully get some time in the middle due to the limited cricket we have played and according to the saca aslong as i have dual rego there is nothing stopping me?

Not sure JB. I would think that your bye being after the 31st of Jan would be the only cause for concern.

I wouldn't bank on time in the middle against us either, we will get hoppy to bowl the straight one a bit earlier this time .

The first week of our bye is on the 30th Bloods.

That is the second week of the next round, makes it difficult to arrange for sheidow i would think. Being available for one week of two games isn't ideal.

[jb]

not ideal bloods but niether is 2 days of cricket in 8 weeks if i dont play in the bye...

[wycbloods]

not ideal bloods but niether is 2 days of cricket in 8 weeks if i dont play in the bye...

Yeah i agree, that can be a problem with turf cricket. I was more saying it isn't ideal from a Sheidow point. Obviously getting 2 days of cricket in possibly both batting is ideal for you.

[Moe]

.I reckon the WYC boys might not rate us so lowly next time we play. Sth. Road.

What made you think we rated you "lowly" this time around Moe?

Was nice of you to introduce yourself saturday as well .

Have to keep my identity a secret. I'm sure noone knows who i am?

[The sarge]

not ideal bloods but niether is 2 days of cricket in 8 weeks if i dont play in the bye...

Yeah i agree, that can be a problem with turf cricket. I was more saying it isn't ideal from a Sheidow point. Obviously getting 2 days of cricket in possibly both batting is ideal for you.

I think that one of the A Grade boys can only play for one week so one of us will play as a swap player maybe

[Amateur Footy]

not ideal bloods but niether is 2 days of cricket in 8 weeks if i dont play in the bye...

Yeah i agree, that can be a problem with turf cricket. I was more saying it isn't ideal from a Sheidow point. Obviously getting 2 days of cricket in possibly both batting is ideal for you.

I think that one of the A Grade boys can only play for one week so one of us will play as a swap player maybe

My understanding of the Assoc stance going forward is that you would forfeit the game by playing Sarge or JB. Think you need to bring it up at meeting tomorrow night.

[caleb777]

.I reckon the WYC boys might not rate us so lowly next time we play. Sth. Road.

What made you think we rated you "lowly" this time around Moe?

Was nice of you to introduce yourself saturday as well .

Have to keep my identity a secret. I'm sure noone knows who i am?

i heard your the bartender

[Minotaur]

not ideal bloods but niether is 2 days of cricket in 8 weeks if i dont play in the bye...

Yeah i agree, that can be a problem with turf cricket. I was more saying it isn't ideal from a Sheidow point. Obviously getting 2 days of cricket in possibly both batting is ideal for you.

I think that one of the A Grade boys can only play for one week so one of us will play as a swap player maybe

My understanding of the Assoc stance going forward is that you would forfeit the game by playing Sarge or JB. Think you need to bring it up at meeting tomorrow night.

Then why didnt WOS have to forfeit when they played a District player a few games ago? This is the whole argument. The boys have no issue if the rules are set one way or the other. However, if one player has been allowed to play without forfeit or punishment, then surely it is open slather for any other club in the same situation. Unfortunately where a precedent has been set, any organisation cannot be seen to have 2 sets of rules. Additionally, rules cannot be changed mid-season as it gives an unfair advantage to those who have benefited from this.

Sheidow Park has yet to make a decision on this situation as a club, and will be discussed this week. The issue here though is not whether the Sheidow Park CC should allow it to occur. It is more a matter of the association having double standards if any punishment is imposed if we do play them (considering no punishment was met earlier this season).

[Lightning McQueen]

travelled down to North Haven yesterday to have a look at the association games. Both Teams batted well but every time against Para Districts it seems like they chase the runs down. I was very impressed with Brad Christie with the bat in the 21's game. I think he made 84 and played some very nice shots. Also Adam Wilson bowled very well alond with Kingy. In the Seniors game Rusty made 77 off 65 balls I think and he looked in awesome form.

Dissapointing for the Sheidow boys to go down in the last over to ANA again. I don't think this one was as Heartbreaking as last years loss to them though. Seemed like a pretty good round of cricket with about 4 section 1 games decided in the last over of the match.

I heard the cars were in the firing line yesterday.

[Moe]

.I reckon the WYC boys might not rate us so lowly next time we play. Sth. Road.

What made you think we rated you "lowly" this time around Moe?

Was nice of you to introduce yourself saturday as well .

Have to keep my identity a secret. I'm sure noone knows who i am?

i heard your the bartender

You should see Carl, Lennie, Barney & Homer about that!

[wycbloods]

1. We need a 1 day comp badly for lower grades. Especially Divs 5-7.

This was voted down at the last agm. We will be putting forward the same proposal at the next one.

2. We need our "Code of conduct" adhered to more stringedly, with players fined/suspended for bad behaviour & umpires not afraid to step in when needed more often. Our league is slowly denegrating in my opinion.

I hope you are kidding about the fines. The ability for players to be suspended for poor behaviour is already there and if clubs have a problem with the way others are behaving on the field they need to speak up. Also the lack of experienced umpires plays a part in this. The more experienced ones don't let situations get out of control.

3. A medal for players who win a premiership. (Only a small thing, but bugger me, they cost $5 each)

Fair point and one i agree with. As you say only a small cost.

4. A better selection criteria for Assoc. matches.

I don't see any problems with the current selection process. Suggestions for making it better?

5. An effing better ron T20 comp.

Fair to say all have learnt a fair bit about this comp the last 2 years and i would expect the T20 comp to be much improved next year.

6. Meeting once before & once after between every A grade captain & umpires to discuss problems. This means every club is represented.

I don't see the point of this. Also it would be near impossible to arrange.
7. Every club MUST have an A grade scorer. They are more important than umpires most times.

Fair to say all clubs aren't blessed with enough volunteers and i don't see the need for it anyway it is something the players should be able to manage
8. Some kind of prize money for winning a Premiership?

Who will put the money up? A majority of clubs weren't prepared to pay an extra $10 per side for affiliation fees at the last agm so can't see them contributing for a premiership fund. It would also breed a poor culture in our comp

Just my thoughts

[wycbloods]

bloody browser was difficult to deal with down the bottom of my last post. Apologies for its poor look.

[CoverKing]

Then why didnt WOS have to forfeit when they played a District player a few games ago? This is the whole argument. The boys have no issue if the rules are set one way or the other. However, if one player has been allowed to play without forfeit or punishment, then surely it is open slather for any other club in the same situation. Unfortunately where a precedent has been set, any organisation cannot be seen to have 2 sets of rules. Additionally, rules cannot be changed mid-season as it gives an unfair advantage to those who have benefited from this.

Sheidow Park has yet to make a decision on this situation as a club, and will be discussed this week. The issue here though is not whether the Sheidow Park CC should allow it to occur. It is more a matter of the association having double standards if any punishment is imposed if we do play them (considering no punishment was met earlier this season).

As had been said on here already, Westminster rang up the association and asked for permission to play the district player. They were short on numbers and he was available so they rang Craig Lawn (IIRC) so that they could put a side on the park.

NH played Paul Tam in a game, and didnt ask for permission tho. Because he had a dual rego, they didnt see a reason they had to get permission. However, since then the assoc. have said that it is not allowed to happen again for the rest of the year. I doubt that Sarge or JB will be able to play IMO.

Also with the numbers at Sheidow i would be suprised if they allowed it to happen anyway. Unless like Sarge said, an A grader can only play one week. And then you we get to find out who Sheidow want more

[wycbloods]

Then why didnt WOS have to forfeit when they played a District player a few games ago? This is the whole argument. The boys have no issue if the rules are set one way or the other. However, if one player has been allowed to play without forfeit or punishment, then surely it is open slather for any other club in the same situation. Unfortunately where a precedent has been set, any organisation cannot be seen to have 2 sets of rules. Additionally, rules cannot be changed mid-season as it gives an unfair advantage to those who have benefited from this.

Sheidow Park has yet to make a decision on this situation as a club, and will be discussed this week. The issue here though is not whether the Sheidow Park CC should allow it to occur. It is more a matter of the association having double standards if any punishment is imposed if we do play them (considering no punishment was met earlier this season).

As i understand the WOS "precedent" you are using is different. It was in the case where we were heated out first week and district was rained out the next so they rung and asked if a dual registered player could play and Craig Lawn said yes. The difference in that case was that Sheidow assumed that couldn't be done so they didn't ask for the likes of Jb and sarge to play.

What JB has asked this time around is to play during his clubs bye round which is different. It will be interesting to see exactly what the ruling is.

[CoverKing]

Moe, the only way the T20 will really take of is when the association take the concept seriously. The men in charge have all good intentions, but when you let the clubs take charge of when you play these games, its fraught with danger of the games becoming a farce. I agree with you Moe, the association need to program matches because being the sheep we are, we will do what we are told and then there wont be any problems.

I agree with you to a point Bazza, but up until this year i have never worried about what the Assoc. heirachy has done. Rather i have put all efforts into my own club and getting that structure right. Now that MPCC is running well i feel it is time for our club, which has been a minnow & underestimated in the ASCA for a long time, to stand up for what i/we believe is right. A few suggestions i will bring up now because i have the time & am sober
1. We need a 1 day comp badly for lower grades. Especially Divs 5-7.
2. We need our "Code of conduct" adhered to more stringedly, with players fined/suspended for bad behaviour & umpires not afraid to step in when needed more often. Our league is slowly denegrating in my opinion.
3. A medal for players who win a premiership. (Only a small thing, but bugger me, they cost $5 each)
4. A better selection criteria for Assoc. matches.
5. An effing better ron T20 comp.
6. Meeting once before & once after between every A grade captain & umpires to discuss problems. This means every club is represented.
7. Every club MUST have an A grade scorer. They are more important than umpires most times.
8. Some kind of prize money for winning a Premiership?

Only my thoughts.......

1. Why do we need it badly? We put a motion forward this year for a 1 day comp in sec 7. Clubs voted and it did not get through. Shows we dont need it badly in 3 divisions.
2. Speak to Spehr first about that aswell.
3. Completely agree.
4. Selection criteria. How so? Skinny does a damn good job IMO from little time. I spoke to skinny about the selection of the side this year, he said there were the people in form such as Hoppy, Calderbank, Basso and McKay. Then there were selections in Rusty and Sambo who had performed extremely well in assoc games before. And then there was a gifted selection in myself because someone pulled out at the last minute and i had the gear and whites in my car
5. The assoc. only see the t20 at this stage as a bit of fun. They take the 2 day format more serious. A round robin tho and scheduled matches are a better option tho IMO.
6. Fair call.
7. LOL kidding right? Good luck with every side getting an A grade scorer. Its hard enough getting people to watch, people to play let alone a permanent A grade scorer. The players that do it should just know how to do it properly. That falls with the clubs.
8. Probably wont happen because they like to see a bank account with more money in it. IMO there should be a prizemoney for sure. Gives some incentive for clubs to pick the best sides possible for sect 1.

[The sarge]

Then why didnt WOS have to forfeit when they played a District player a few games ago? This is the whole argument. The boys have no issue if the rules are set one way or the other. However, if one player has been allowed to play without forfeit or punishment, then surely it is open slather for any other club in the same situation. Unfortunately where a precedent has been set, any organisation cannot be seen to have 2 sets of rules. Additionally, rules cannot be changed mid-season as it gives an unfair advantage to those who have benefited from this.

Sheidow Park has yet to make a decision on this situation as a club, and will be discussed this week. The issue here though is not whether the Sheidow Park CC should allow it to occur. It is more a matter of the association having double standards if any punishment is imposed if we do play them (considering no punishment was met earlier this season).

As i understand the WOS "precedent" you are using is different. It was in the case where we were heated out first week and district was rained out the next so they rung and asked if a dual registered player could play and Craig Lawn said yes. The difference in that case was that Sheidow assumed that couldn't be done so they didn't ask for the likes of Jb and sarge to play.

What JB has asked this time around is to play during his clubs bye round which is different. It will be interesting to see exactly what the ruling is.

The Game in question was not rained out, it was the test weekend when district didnt play.

I am not bothered whether I play or not as I have played alot more cricket than JB this year. I would love to be able to play with my mates and at the club where I have played all of my cricket. But we will see what happens.