by westozfalcon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:45 pm
by schimma » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:45 am
by carey » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:44 pm
by Bum Crack » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:45 pm
by Swamp Donkey » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:56 pm
westozfalcon wrote:
What would be the top-5 racehorses you've seen over the last 10 years?
These are mine:
1. Delta Blues
2. Makybe Diva
For Delta Blues to come to Australia from Japan in 2006 and run 3rd in the Caulfield carrying top weight then win the Melbourne Cup in awesome style was quite amazing (watch the run on YouTube and I defy anyone to disagree).
I have 'The Diva' second because despite her imposing record she was unplaced in two staying races in Japan including one over the Melbourne Cup distance of 3200m.
by bayman » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:19 pm
Bum Crack wrote:What about Sunline guys??? Surely that has to be up there?
by CK » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:56 pm
Swamp Donkey wrote:westozfalcon wrote:
What would be the top-5 racehorses you've seen over the last 10 years?
These are mine:
1. Delta Blues
2. Makybe Diva
For Delta Blues to come to Australia from Japan in 2006 and run 3rd in the Caulfield carrying top weight then win the Melbourne Cup in awesome style was quite amazing (watch the run on YouTube and I defy anyone to disagree).
I have 'The Diva' second because despite her imposing record she was unplaced in two staying races in Japan including one over the Melbourne Cup distance of 3200m.
Worst call ever:
Delta Blues: 29 starts = 6 (1st); 2 (2nd) 3 (3rd) places almost 38% of the time
Makybe Diva: 36 starts = 15 (1st); 4 (2nd) 3 (3rd) placed over 61% of the time
Nuff said
by dodgingandweaving » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:06 pm
by gadj1976 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:41 pm
by Swamp Donkey » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:06 am
CK wrote:Swamp Donkey wrote:westozfalcon wrote:
What would be the top-5 racehorses you've seen over the last 10 years?
These are mine:
1. Delta Blues
2. Makybe Diva
For Delta Blues to come to Australia from Japan in 2006 and run 3rd in the Caulfield carrying top weight then win the Melbourne Cup in awesome style was quite amazing (watch the run on YouTube and I defy anyone to disagree).
I have 'The Diva' second because despite her imposing record she was unplaced in two staying races in Japan including one over the Melbourne Cup distance of 3200m.
Worst call ever:
Delta Blues: 29 starts = 6 (1st); 2 (2nd) 3 (3rd) places almost 38% of the time
Makybe Diva: 36 starts = 15 (1st); 4 (2nd) 3 (3rd) placed over 61% of the time
Nuff said
Worth noting that of Makybe Diva's 15 wins:
One was in a Wangaratta maiden; one in a Sale Class 1; one in a Ballarat Class 3; one in a Flemington Fillies and Mares event. Three Melbourne Cups along the way certainly something that will be tough to beat.
That makes her remaining record 8 wins, 4 seconds and 3 thirds from 28 starts.
I'm a huge fan of her without any doubt, and she won four other Group One's apart from the Cups, but wonder if her record is a little inflated without the Cups.
by Bum Crack » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:14 am
by bayman » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:24 pm
by CK » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:55 pm
by Swamp Donkey » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:31 am
CK wrote:Swamp Donkey, my point was that without the Cups, her record is still good but not lay-down fantastic. 8 wins from 28 starts without the Cups and the restricted races is a strike rate of 1 in 3.5; certainly good, but there are better.
Don't get me wrong - I love her and love what she did but let's also be honest - her 2005 win was handed to her on a platter. Carrying 58.5 after 2 previous Cups wins, and having the track watered to suit her to the ground, was pitchforked in. Let's say that Viewed won the race in 2009. What would he carry in 2010? At least 61kg - and this allows for MD being a mare and the like.
by Bum Crack » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:36 am
by gadj1976 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:54 am
Bum Crack wrote:I still can't believe nobody has Saintly in their Top 5
by Mythical Creature » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:01 am
by dodgingandweaving » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:07 am
by Bum Crack » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:09 am
gadj1976 wrote:Bum Crack wrote:I still can't believe nobody has Saintly in their Top 5
BC, Saintly ran in the late 90's. I'm not even sure it ran one race in the 2000's, hence it's not in last 10 years, hence it's not in my list.
by CK » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:24 am
Swamp Donkey wrote:CK wrote:Swamp Donkey, my point was that without the Cups, her record is still good but not lay-down fantastic. 8 wins from 28 starts without the Cups and the restricted races is a strike rate of 1 in 3.5; certainly good, but there are better.
Don't get me wrong - I love her and love what she did but let's also be honest - her 2005 win was handed to her on a platter. Carrying 58.5 after 2 previous Cups wins, and having the track watered to suit her to the ground, was pitchforked in. Let's say that Viewed won the race in 2009. What would he carry in 2010? At least 61kg - and this allows for MD being a mare and the like.
You can't just argue your point by stating her record minus three MELBOURNE CUPS its like camparing Geelong's record in AFL over the past 10 years without considering their 2 premierships. Makybe Diva was trained to win Melbourne Cups and she won more than any other horse in history. Your suggesting that I shouldn't consider her record in the biggest race in Australian racing, for which was trained to win .
About the Viewed comment, that is purely speculative, hence there is no arguement. The fact is Viewed wasnt good enough to be in that position!
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