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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Dirko » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:55 pm

NO-MERCY wrote:Is that coz you've always been Ports bitches? :oops:
I understand its become very embarrassing after so many Grand Final losses! :lol:


Hang on to that while you can, because if Port fold it will mean shit, because the next generation of SANFL supporters will be
saying Port who ?
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby 85 WAS A GOOD YEAR » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:58 pm

Just like South Melbourne (whom they shared their club song with) - both clubs will be gone and forgotten amongst the generations to come.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby goraw » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:05 pm

85 WAS A GOOD YEAR wrote:Just like South Melbourne (whom they shared their club song with) - both clubs will be gone and forgotten amongst the generations to come.


and south will stiill have more premierships than u in 30 years time. ;)
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Booney » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:23 am

goraw wrote:i have no idea why port are in the situation they are in . but why on earth would anyone wish they die is beyond me.they are the most successful club in the football world wtf!! :shock: its all about $$ .were gunna kill off nearly a 1/3 of premiership cup holders caus of $$$. piss off. ok the SANFL didnt help a few clubs including my own and that was bullshit by the way, but we cant just let the magpies die, they are a huge part of the SANFL culture. i dont agree with the merger power/magpie and it doesnt look like it will happen anyway but to just let the magpie die is a huge chunk of the SANFL soul gone with it for me. if the magpie dies, the the SANFL will be cordial as far as im concerned.


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Re: Port and West merge

Postby JK » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:39 pm

goraw wrote:i have no idea why port are in the situation they are in . but why on earth would anyone wish they die is beyond me.they are the most successful club in the football world wtf!! :shock: its all about $$ .were gunna kill off nearly a 1/3 of premiership cup holders caus of $$$. piss off. ok the SANFL didnt help a few clubs including my own and that was bullshit by the way, but we cant just let the magpies die, they are a huge part of the SANFL culture. i dont agree with the merger power/magpie and it doesnt look like it will happen anyway but to just let the magpie die is a huge chunk of the SANFL soul gone with it for me. if the magpie dies, the the SANFL will be cordial as far as im concerned.


Lends itself to another point that I haven't seen discussed ... If the SANFL aren't prepared to help Port any more than they already have and the Magpies disappear, what happens the next time a SANFL club finds itself in a perilous state? (which is bound to happen over time).

An 8 team comp obviously isn't the end of the world, but to cross a similar bridge in the future that might reduce the teams to 7 can't be a prospect that is at all healthy for the SANFL?
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Booney » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:00 pm

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goraw wrote:i have no idea why port are in the situation they are in . but why on earth would anyone wish they die is beyond me.they are the most successful club in the football world wtf!! :shock: its all about $$ .were gunna kill off nearly a 1/3 of premiership cup holders caus of $$$. piss off. ok the SANFL didnt help a few clubs including my own and that was bullshit by the way, but we cant just let the magpies die, they are a huge part of the SANFL culture. i dont agree with the merger power/magpie and it doesnt look like it will happen anyway but to just let the magpie die is a huge chunk of the SANFL soul gone with it for me. if the magpie dies, the the SANFL will be cordial as far as im concerned.


Lends itself to another point that I haven't seen discussed ... If the SANFL aren't prepared to help Port any more than they already have and the Magpies disappear, what happens the next time a SANFL club finds itself in a perilous state? (which is bound to happen over time).

An 8 team comp obviously isn't the end of the world, but to cross a similar bridge in the future that might reduce the teams to 7 can't be a prospect that is at all healthy for the SANFL?


Nice post CP. If the SANFL let the Magpies just diappear then the next SANFL club that finds itself in the same boat must be treated the same way ( we all like consistency, don't we? ) and then 7 teams then 6....who is to say the loss of the Magpies will ensure the long term future of other clubs? The dividined from the SANFL will be more but so will annual operating costs which I am sure rise faster then the yearly dividend does.

Good point mate, very good point.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby goraw » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:21 pm

firstly i think the SANFL should look at how the magpies are running financially. get some guys in there who can sort the cashflow problems out, even help them establish a revenue with a loan . although they didnt help other clubs in the past as ive previously mentioned, forget all that and get the magpies on track again.as CP mentioned , if u kill off the magpies, with all their history in the SANFL theres no going back and this problem will rear its ugly head again . to just let a club die is IMO disrespectful to the thousands of supporters of not only the club at hand, but the whole SANFL community.cmon SANFL get ur act together .
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby nickname » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:28 pm

I think the Magpies would be foolish to put all their eggs in the merger basket. Clearly the other clubs aren't going to accept the merger, so I sincerely hope they have a Plan B. They need to give the clubs a more palatable alternative to help them survive, if this is at all possible. But it's got to come from them because I strongly suspect Power won't be terribly fussed if the Magpies fold.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Ronnie » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:44 pm

nickname wrote:I think the Magpies would be foolish to put all their eggs in the merger basket. Clearly the other clubs aren't going to accept the merger, so I sincerely hope they have a Plan B. They need to give the clubs a more palatable alternative to help them survive, if this is at all possible. But it's got to come from them because I strongly suspect Power won't be terribly fussed if the Magpies fold.


hit the nail on the head there. Public comments from CEO Edwards haven't helped the perception that they are holding a gun to the head of the rest of the football community by stating that if you decline the merger you are signing the death certificate for Port Magpies.
How about exploring all avenues to sustain the Magpies?, if need be with temporary SANFL help.
Lots of people want to see a Magpie presence in the SANFL but will not cop a merger of an SANFL club with an AFL club.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby mr o » Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:46 pm

it is not about letting the magpies die. because lets remember that port adelaide magpies are now trading as the power in the afl and did not want to leave a side behind in the sanfl in the first place.the sanfl made them do somthing that port didnt wont to do in the first place, it hasnt worked, so disolve the club that was left behind that port didnt wont to leave behind in the first place. all you die hard magpie supporters have to remember, this is what your club wanted in the first place. THIS TOPIC IS DRIVING ME NUTS, ITS SUCH A SIMPLE SOULUTION.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby JK » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:26 pm

Booney wrote:The dividined from the SANFL will be more but so will annual operating costs which I am sure rise faster then the yearly dividend does.


If the PAMFC cant afford to field a team and die effectively onfield, yet don't close their business entirely, they would still be due a dividend wouldn't they?

I hope the SANFL have looked into every possible manner they can assist the Magpies through this ... My understanding was that the formation of the Crows and later Power, was supposed to protect the SANFL competition (and by virtue, it's participating clubs)?
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby LPH » Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:58 pm

Food for thought...

1. If a merge is not a viable option (I don't support it).
2. Good call re: 'the team we all love to hate' - SANFL 'super club', not to die
3. Is it the start of the decline of clubs - 8, 7, 6 etc.

What about what happens in the UK?

Port go into receivership (like Leeds United) - penalty of Premiership points.
SANFL 'bails them out' - start afresh?

I understand that it is slightly different - due to 'Club Ownership' in the UK but;

Could it work?

Where do Port Districts & other clubs fit in?

Could these types of community clubs step in (not just with PAMFC, but ALL SANFL clubs) - 'feeder' teams & players?

Not sure what the answer is but I would NOT support a merger with PAPs.

Is a concerning time for ALL SANFL clubs, IMHO 8)
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Mickyj » Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:22 pm

LoudEagleHooligan wrote:Food for thought...

1. If a merge is not a viable option (I don't support it).
2. Good call re: 'the team we all love to hate' - SANFL 'super club', not to die
3. Is it the start of the decline of clubs - 8, 7, 6 etc.

What about what happens in the UK?

Port go into receivership (like Leeds United) - penalty of Premiership points.
SANFL 'bails them out' - start afresh?

I understand that it is slightly different - due to 'Club Ownership' in the UK but;

Could it work?

Where do Port Districts & other clubs fit in?

Could these types of community clubs step in (not just with PAMFC, but ALL SANFL clubs) - 'feeder' teams & players?

Not sure what the answer is but I would NOT support a merger with PAPs.

Is a concerning time for ALL SANFL clubs, IMHO 8)


Could the once SANFL seconds team Semaphore Centrals get another gig ?
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Psyber » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:04 pm

Mickyj wrote: Could the once SANFL seconds team Semaphore Centrals get another gig ?
Two "Centrals" - that would confuse the northeners. Are their colours similar?
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Barto » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:38 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:
goraw wrote:i have no idea why port are in the situation they are in . but why on earth would anyone wish they die is beyond me.they are the most successful club in the football world wtf!! :shock: its all about $$ .were gunna kill off nearly a 1/3 of premiership cup holders caus of $$$. piss off. ok the SANFL didnt help a few clubs including my own and that was bullshit by the way, but we cant just let the magpies die, they are a huge part of the SANFL culture. i dont agree with the merger power/magpie and it doesnt look like it will happen anyway but to just let the magpie die is a huge chunk of the SANFL soul gone with it for me. if the magpie dies, the the SANFL will be cordial as far as im concerned.


Lends itself to another point that I haven't seen discussed ... If the SANFL aren't prepared to help Port any more than they already have and the Magpies disappear, what happens the next time a SANFL club finds itself in a perilous state? (which is bound to happen over time).

An 8 team comp obviously isn't the end of the world, but to cross a similar bridge in the future that might reduce the teams to 7 can't be a prospect that is at all healthy for the SANFL?



There is precedent in the AFL. The AFL hierachy didn't want Fitzroy to die but they didn't really want a 17 team comp at the time. Since they've had the 16 team comp, they've been throwing money at North, Footscray and Melbourne to survive.

I think the SANFL are in two minds about what's going on. I know for a fact that they dont want to be seen to be killing off the Magpies, but they'd also love an 8 team comp. They'd draw a line in the sand there (although it'd probably be more realistic than Dom Cassissi's line in the sand).
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby CUTTERMAN » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:46 am

For the life of me I can't see a problem with a 9 team comp or the bye.
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Barto » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:58 am

CUTTERMAN wrote:For the life of me I can't see a problem with a 9 team comp or the bye.


two byes if we're keeping Port ;)
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby Mickyj » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:07 am

Psyber wrote:
Mickyj wrote: Could the once SANFL seconds team Semaphore Centrals get another gig ?
Two "Centrals" - that would confuse the northeners. Are their colours similar?


As a know all so and so i have no idea ;)
So I googled them and seems in 1979 they joined with Exeter and formed Port Districts football club ;)
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby bayman » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:06 pm

Barto wrote:
CUTTERMAN wrote:For the life of me I can't see a problem with a 9 team comp or the bye.


two byes if we're keeping Port ;)



or 3 byes if you include south the way they've gone recently...i still can't work out why they (port) wont work their way through it, ffs have sportsman nights, have T20 crickets matches with past players playing against each other etc etc & raise $$$$$$$$, yes it is tough & will be painful but surely that is better for them than just giving up
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Re: Port and West merge

Postby beenreal » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:09 pm

CUTTERMAN wrote:For the life of me I can't see a problem with a 9 team comp or the bye.


I agree, there's too much hysteria over these 2 minor issues. I don't mind a weekend off to do other things every now and again. It gives the players a break too.
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