ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[Booney]

Beenreal i am not punishing the magpies they cut their own throat many years ago in hindsight and i have said this many times on this forum they should of all gone across to the AFL back in 1996 and you would not have this situation of a split club,split supporters who do not where to belong, no clubrooms and no money and the way its going i cannot see the Power surviving either as they are struggling financially.

The AFL have one huge revenue stream, TV rights, and the introduction of the GC and WS 'franchises' ( not pre-existing clubs ) ensures the AFL will make sure Port Adelaide remain in the competition as 18 clubs = 9 games each and every week = more TV $$$$.

The handouts given to the Bulldogs and Kangaroos in recent times shows the AFL will not let any clubs die.

[baysman]

My 2010 wishlist would include the Peckers ( nott Warriors ) and Eagles being separate teams again. I don't mind 9 teams in the comp !

[Booney]

My 2010 wishlist would include the Peckers ( nott Warriors ) and Eagles being separate teams again. I don't mind 9 teams in the comp !

Can some one move this to the 'Best Jokes' thread? I dont see it being very easy to unmerge clubs.

[Apachebulldog]

For your sake i hope you are right Booney but its gonna get much tougher when Gold Coast and Western Sydney come in personally i think these new clubs will not survive how long before the AFL says enough is enough after say handing out say 40 million dollars every year to say 6 struggling clubs ???????

[beenreal]

Beenreal the Port Adelaide magpies did not give a damn about the SANFLwhen it put a knife through its heart and forced the creation the Crows back in 1990. The Port Adelaide magpies did not give a toss about the SANFL when they joined the AFL as the Power, they decimated themselves, i and many others have no sympathy for them.

The only way to get yourselves out of this mess to find a lot of good sponsors, try and get your supporters back which will not happen as they cannot afford to follow two teams or finally call it a day and finish them up.

You talk of fairness there was no fairness for Woodviile Peckers,West Torrens when they folded up, also when Sturt and North nearly folded up, no fairness in Central's first forty years in the comp, trying to compete against the finacially strong bully boys in the comp every thing was against but we survived we done it the hard way.

So just toughen up and fix the mess your club has created.

Then I must have misread that part.

So how is being forced to field a side in the SANFL and being forced out of their own ground to set up facilities elsewhere, "cutting their own throat"?

And the Prince of Wales is a dog but it was the only license available. Realising they had to make more than just 25% from The Port Club, they needed an alternative income source, took out a huge loan, which has left little $$ for effective renovations. Collingwood did the same and recently took a huge financial hit on a pub. But they can afford it.

[topsywaldron]

And the Prince of Wales is a dog but it was the only license available. Realising they had to make more than just 25% from The Port Club, they needed an alternative income source

Two posts ago you said the PAMFC had 'no gaming revenue' of their own.

At least you now admit it was incompetence and overreaching.

[Ronnie]

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Then I must have misread that part.

So how is being forced to field a side in the SANFL and being forced out of their own ground to set up facilities elsewhere, "cutting their own throat"?

And the Prince of Wales is a dog but it was the only license available. Realising they had to make more than just 25% from The Port Club, they needed an alternative income source, took out a huge loan, which has left little $$ for effective renovations. Collingwood did the same and recently took a huge financial hit on a pub. But they can afford it.[/quote]

A couple of other clubs have had problems dealing with the whole issue of pokie machine/leases. I think you'll find Sturt has two highly geared venues, neither of which, at least to begin with, have been gold mines. Barzaar in particular has been a problem, last year it made a miserly $20,000 profit. Norwood had big issues getting the NorEast up and running.
Both clubs are expected to work their way through the issue and Port Magpies should do the same. Why all of a sudden is the white flag being run up by the Magpies? all seems very sudden to me.

[Booney]

For your sake i hope you are right Booney but its gonna get much tougher when Gold Coast and Western Sydney come in personally i think these new clubs will not survive how long before the AFL says enough is enough after say handing out say 40 million dollars every year to say 6 struggling clubs ???????

I dont think the AFL have just a 6 year plan for the two new licences. Dimwitriou has publicly stated they expect tough times but are in this for the long haul ,not just a 'lets see what happens' type philosiphy.

[Apachebulldog]

Beenreal you are missing my point all this has happened because the Magpies wanted to go and play in another competition back in 1990 enough said we can debate this for ever and never come to any agreement.

[doggies4eva]

For your sake i hope you are right Booney but its gonna get much tougher when Gold Coast and Western Sydney come in personally i think these new clubs will not survive how long before the AFL says enough is enough after say handing out say 40 million dollars every year to say 6 struggling clubs ???????

I would expect both Gold Coast and West Sydney to be financially viable - for the same rason that NRL clubs are - pokies income.

[baysman]

There are funnier jokes going on around here hence this topic thread

[drifter]

Drifter, you sound like you write for the Advertiser and drink a cuppa on Henley Beach Road. I don't care who you are but, if you want to be taken seriously with your comments then at least be up front from the outset. Don't hide in the shadows.

and your avatar is so revealing of who you are ??????? Let go of it!

[drifter]

I enjoyed reading your thesis, well written

Drifter ask yourself the question was it fair that SANFL clubs had to adapt in 18 weeks to the formation of the Crows when port magpies had 18 months to adapt to the formation of the Power?? This when clubs were coming out of the late 80s debt bubble, and projected revenue streams based on a planned entry into the AFL in 1993 by an SANFL were suddenly reduced???
If Port were allowed in first they wouldnt of have to do it in 18 weeks, the SANFL was delaying the inevitable with things like the retention scheme.

Don't forget Port wouldn't be anything without the rest of the competition too. Yes you sent fans our way but I remember being in 12 000 plus crowds at Alberton Oval when the Bays played their in the late 70s and early 80s. Bays fans parting with their hard earned for your bar and food prices. Same as Norwood, Sturt, Torrens and North fans...
Certainly, the door swings both ways, but Port in those days contributed a higher percentage of supporters followed by probably Norwood

So it is very rich of Port people to expect the events of 1990 to be forgotten when other SANFL clubs had to tighten the belt and survive or in the case of two clubs merge, soon as it gets hard for Port the hand goes out...

A week ago I wanted the Magpies to survive as they are intrinsically linked to the fabric of the SANFL and all that I hold so dear about the best footy competition in the land. However when I think rationally what's best for my club and the SANFL competition I think:

1. An SANFL dividend to the SANFL clubs being divided by 8 instead of nine = more $$$ for my club and the others
2. An 8 team 21 game a year season = 21 home games for my club over two years compared to 20 homes games over two years as it is now = more $$$ for my club or at least break even.
3. Non SANFL based AFL players being distributed across 8 clubs instead of 9 more chances for my club to get quality players (hopefully we are always in the top four at least so we miss out anyway )
4. No artificially stronger SANFL club (or clubs make no mistake the Crows will want this too, in time) loaded with AFL players with an unfair advantage as witnessed in the WAFL 14 years ago.
5. with a reduction in SANFL clubs an increase in my clubs recruiting zone - people of the Leferve penisnula get ready for your young guns to start wearing Blue Gold and Green (can't play for the Power unless they at least play SANFL), Westies will get back some of their old western suburbs zone and North will get back some territory West of prospect Rd.

Whilst a part of me will miss not having Port in the competition and for diehard Magpies fans on here such as No-Mercy, Pipers, Booney, GWW, Macca19, and Magpiespower I will feel for them that something they hold so dear and have grown up with has been taken away, the reality is the SANFL competion will survive if the Magpies fall over.

The other unmistakable reality is this mess is Ports own making as one astute commentator on here said Port made the decision to live by the sword, they may well have to die by it. Port people may not want to admit it but the sword that could well deliver the fatal blow to the Magpies will be the one un-sheathed by Bruce Webber.

Port people may accuse me of being self serving and narrow minded in this post and yep probably I am, maybe a little bit of the Port Adelaide that Chocco tried to instill at the Bay in 1993-94 is starting to come out in me....

[baysman]

Port wanted to change with the times, prosper, progress and achieve success. And with those changes comes some serious risks. Speaking to some " die-hard " Port supporting friends when I was in Adelaide last week, there was definitely an element of " sour grapes " in their views. They love being arrogant when on top, but once the pendulum swing reaches it's lowest point, they complain that things aren't going their way. They see the current situation as unfair, and the other SANFL clubs should see their point and come to the rescue. I can remember quite a few Port mates chuckling at why I still support my club in the SANFL. They had no need. They had their Port Power, as well as their Port Magpies as a safety cushion if the other didn't make the finals. Port should've shown some solidarity when the SANFL achieved some serious damage in 1991 when the VFL invaded SA, and all nine clubs were given major challenges and chances of folding. They wanted it all, the bright lights, the fame, the fortune........Well Football is a business, and if you don't succeed with the big boys, you go under. Port Adelaide have had their chance, they blew it, time to move on.

[LPH]

...So it is very rich of Port people to expect the events of 1990 to be forgotten when other SANFL clubs had to tighten the belt and survive or in the case of two clubs merge, soon as it gets hard for Port the hand goes out...

Could not have put this ANY better!!!

The 'hide' of PAMFC & PAFC seeking 'bail out money' from the other 8 SANFL clubs - is typically self-serving.

Great Post -

[UK Fan]

BEEN REALIt's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

Firstly I agree it is all very well for Centrals to keep its profits and build AFL style facilities. This is what happens when you run your club successfully. Maybe this is why your current CEO Mr Edwards is a former CDFC boy. WHat would you prefer Been Real??? We do it like the power and just boot out our older more successful brother to the street, claim its home and get a rich trucking mate to pay for the re-furbishment. Very honourable effort from you blokes. I know you guys are broke and trying to save money. But any chance you could turn the lights on at Alberton every now and then. It is so dark and dank in those awesome AFL standard clubrooms of yours everytime I go.

Always contradicting yourself Power fans. It was NOT the SANFL clubs that put a gun to your head and made you join the AFL in conditions you never wanted. Port Adelaide officials agreed to all the SANFLs stipulations (set 12 months before) simply because it would have done anything to gain access to the AFL. And how you bragged about it when you won. Dont even try to claim these stipulations were thrown on you at the last minute. Jack Cahill stopped Coaching Port in the SANFL half way thru the 1996 season and Stephen Williams took over why????

Did he have a hunch something was happening. Or was it because he was appointed coach of another club half way thru the year.Thus proving you guys had time to prepare for all of this.

As I say You Port fans were more than happy to brag to the other 8 SANFL clubs about your victory in gaining the second licence. Im sure youve noted how many of the other proposals meant clubs leaving the SANFL before starting the paranoia/sour grapes call. Especially considering these are the 8 clubs who hold the very future of your club in their hands.

If Port Adelaide conceded it had made some monumental errors from the start and needs a do over on setting up its club. And you had a plan on how to re-allign Port in the market. That sounds reasonable. But if fans/media/port officials like yourself want to keep Blaming the SANFL and the 8 SANFL clubs of your shortcomings.

Then I can assure I will lose no sleep when the Port Magpies are as dead as the dodo. Infact Ill have a good laugh about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY

[Mickyj]

BEEN REALIt's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

Firstly I agree it is all very well for Centrals to keep its profits and build AFL style facilities. This is what happens when you run your club successfully. Maybe this is why your current CEO Mr Edwards is a former CDFC boy. WHat would you prefer Been Real??? We do it like the power and just boot out our older more successful brother to the street, claim its home and get a rich trucking mate to pay for the re-furbishment. Very honourable effort from you blokes. I know you guys are broke and trying to save money. But any chance you could turn the lights on at Alberton every now and then. It is so dark and dank in those awesome AFL standard clubrooms of yours everytime I go.

Always contradicting yourself Power fans. It was NOT the SANFL clubs that put a gun to your head and made you join the AFL in conditions you never wanted. Port Adelaide officials agreed to all the SANFLs stipulations (set 12 months before) simply because it would have done anything to gain access to the AFL. And how you bragged about it when you won. Dont even try to claim these stipulations were thrown on you at the last minute. Jack Cahill stopped Coaching Port in the SANFL half way thru the 1996 season and Stephen Williams took over why????

Did he have a hunch something was happening. Or was it because he was appointed coach of another club half way thru the year.Thus proving you guys had time to prepare for all of this.

As I say You Port fans were more than happy to brag to the other 8 SANFL clubs about your victory in gaining the second licence. Im sure youve noted how many of the other proposals meant clubs leaving the SANFL before starting the paranoia/sour grapes call. Especially considering these are the 8 clubs who hold the very future of your club in their hands.

If Port Adelaide conceded it had made some monumental errors from the start and needs a do over on setting up its club. And you had a plan on how to re-allign Port in the market. That sounds reasonable. But if fans/media/port officials like yourself want to keep Blaming the SANFL and the 8 SANFL clubs of your shortcomings.

Then I can assure I will lose no sleep when the Port Magpies are as dead as the dodo. Infact Ill have a good laugh about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY

Well written and said Sir .
I have online friends in Victoria who I can not get to see my side of the argument.All I get is no Port no SANFL .Perhaps they should visit this post.

[beenreal]

BEEN REALIt's all very well for a Central fan to write about what's "fair" when your club has built its own AFL standard facilities because it gets to keep all its' revenue. Unlike the Magpies which lost 75% of their club income and then had to build a new training facility away from its' home ground. All to appease the paranoia of the other "fair-minded" SANFL clubs and hand your club a Golden era by decimating your main rival.

Firstly I agree it is all very well for Centrals to keep its profits and build AFL style facilities. This is what happens when you run your club successfully. Maybe this is why your current CEO Mr Edwards is a former CDFC boy. WHat would you prefer Been Real??? We do it like the power and just boot out our older more successful brother to the street, claim its home and get a rich trucking mate to pay for the re-furbishment. Very honourable effort from you blokes. I know you guys are broke and trying to save money. But any chance you could turn the lights on at Alberton every now and then. It is so dark and dank in those awesome AFL standard clubrooms of yours everytime I go.

Always contradicting yourself Power fans. It was NOT the SANFL clubs that put a gun to your head and made you join the AFL in conditions you never wanted. Port Adelaide officials agreed to all the SANFLs stipulations (set 12 months before) simply because it would have done anything to gain access to the AFL. And how you bragged about it when you won. Dont even try to claim these stipulations were thrown on you at the last minute. Jack Cahill stopped Coaching Port in the SANFL half way thru the 1996 season and Stephen Williams took over why????

Did he have a hunch something was happening. Or was it because he was appointed coach of another club half way thru the year.Thus proving you guys had time to prepare for all of this.

As I say You Port fans were more than happy to brag to the other 8 SANFL clubs about your victory in gaining the second licence. Im sure youve noted how many of the other proposals meant clubs leaving the SANFL before starting the paranoia/sour grapes call. Especially considering these are the 8 clubs who hold the very future of your club in their hands.

If Port Adelaide conceded it had made some monumental errors from the start and needs a do over on setting up its club. And you had a plan on how to re-allign Port in the market. That sounds reasonable. But if fans/media/port officials like yourself want to keep Blaming the SANFL and the 8 SANFL clubs of your shortcomings.

Then I can assure I will lose no sleep when the Port Magpies are as dead as the dodo. Infact Ill have a good laugh about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcunREYzNY

You run your club successfully NOW because you copied the Port Adelaide model. And in relation to Greg Edwards, I've said it before, it's nice to finally get something back.

Don't see your point in blaming the Power for moving the Magpies from Alberton when everyone knows it was an SANFL stipulation.

With the announcement in 1995 of course Port and Jack had time to prepare, which is why John Cahill stepped down mid 1996, giving Stephen Williams the opportunity to win the GF against Cennnntraaals.

I'll concede errors were made. Trying to distance from the Port Adelaide of old and be a "Crows Lite" was a BIG mistake. But 20-20 hindsight is a beautiful thing. That has nothing to do with the Magpies losing income streams, sponsors, facilities, etc. which everyone seems to think happened overnight. It's been happening for 13 years and a lesser club probably wouldn't have survived this long.

[Psyber]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own, expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

[SABRE]

It is time to put Port Adelaide - in both forms - to bed permanently, and move on.
The first mistake was in not cutting them loose at the start, and thus letting them join the VFL on their own,
expunged from the SANFL.
The second was feeling sorry for them, and believing anyone but some of their own would follow
them if they were given the second licence.
It is time to not bleed the loyal SANFL clubs further by making a third error and propping them up...

Beautifully and succinctly put !