ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[Macca19]

Question, Where the hell did Port back in 1990 and again in '96/97 ever expect to play their "reserves" players if they never intended to have a face in the SANFL??????????? The VFL? I reckon if they had've got away with it back then, now they'd be crying poor by arguing they need a face in the SANFL.
I still want to know the basics of this proposal, and getting pretty pissed off that no one really knows.

In 1990 they probably would have played in the AFL reserves competition which every club except West Coast played in at the time.

[Barto]

Port should bring back the Magenta or baby blue and white?

They also had rose pink at one stage. I'm still waiting for that one on the AFL heritage round since they're so proud of their past. Surely its not selective?

The amount of Port fans who say that is bullshit when you inform them is amazing.

[GWW]

Barto, it would be interesting to count how many posts/threads you make about both Port incarnations on here and on Big Footy. For someone who clearly dislikes both clubs, you dont appear to ever lack enthusiasm in discussing them.

[Wedgie]

Port should bring back the Magenta or baby blue and white?

They also had rose pink at one stage. I'm still waiting for that one on the AFL heritage round since they're so proud of their past. Surely its not selective?

The amount of Port fans who say that is bullshit when you inform them is amazing.

Someone tried that on here once, they promptly shut up when I quoted their official web site!

[Barto]

Barto, it would be interesting to count how many posts/threads you make about both Port incarnations on here and on Big Footy. For someone who clearly dislikes both clubs, you dont appear to ever lack enthusiasm in discussing them.

It's the off season, feel free to start a discussion that doesn't involve your ailing club. Anyway, who says I don't like them?

It's a myth that all I talk about is Port Adelaide. You have a myopic view point so that's all you notice, I think it's related to the same effect of when you buy a certain type of car, you suddenly notice how many other people are driving them.

[therisingblues]

I've always stated that I hate to see a club die, but if the supporters dont really want it then perhaps it's time to go. They said the comp would die when the VFL expanded, they said it would die when the Crows were formed, they said it would die when Port had a team in the AFL. It's still going. Perhaps it's just another transition we'll accept in time.

Actually the people I heard talking said we'd go the way of the WAFL, whose crowds dwindled tragically when the Eagles were formed.
Whatever the predictions were, the truth is that every event Barto mentioned above clearly weakened the SANFL, whether it be the quality of players, crowds, media attention etc.
If Port were to leave the SANFL I believe crowd numbers would suffer yet again, not to mention the potential number of supporters that would turn up if Port were to have a successful final's series. You would be amazed at the number of Power supporters that would turn up claiming to have always loved their Magpies.
As revolting as that mushroom attitude is, it still good for the SANFL IMO. Port vs Sturt, Norwood Glenelg and maybe North would have a good chance to sell out Footy Park on Grand Final day.

[CUTTERMAN]

I smell an AFL rat in all of this. There's no way the AFL will want to see the Power fail, so they will put pressure on the SANFL to cut anything that hinders it's viability. They have in stone an 18 team comp very soon, does anyone really think they'll let the Port Magpies get in the way of this until they can relocate them to tassie if they don't hold their own. They will sacrifice a non Vic side before any Vic based team.

[Pseudo]

It's a myth that all I talk about is Port Adelaide. You have a myopic view point so that's all you notice, I think it's related to the same effect of when you buy a certain type of car, you suddenly notice how many other people are driving them.

To make your analogy more relevant to the target audience, it should read something like "once you put the old EH up on cinderblocks in the driveway, you notice one in every other driveway of your Ethelton street"

[Barto]

It's a myth that all I talk about is Port Adelaide. You have a myopic view point so that's all you notice, I think it's related to the same effect of when you buy a certain type of car, you suddenly notice how many other people are driving them.

To make your analogy more relevant to the target audience, it should read something like "once you put the old EH up on cinderblocks in the driveway, you notice one in every other driveway of your Ethelton street"

Me rikey.

[am Bays]

I would appreciate the irony if our club make Laurie Rosenwarne as our proxy delegate to the league meeting to vote on this proposal, "You bastards wanted to go alone against the wishes of what we all agreed to at the May (might have been March/April cant quite correctly recall) SANFL delegates meeting in 1990, you suffer the consequences...."

Just a pity Bruce Webber won't be sitting on the other side of the table as Laurie cast his vote...

FWIW though provided all Power drafted players are available to all clubs in the mini-draft I don't have problem with an off-field merger of the clubs. On field must remain totally separate.

Got a funny feeling on how the other SANFL clubs are going to vote on this proposal if Port want to keep non SA drafted players for the Magpies only.

[RustyCage]

I would appreciate the irony if our club make Laurie Rosenwarne as our proxy delegate to the league meeting to vote on this proposal, "You bastards wanted to go alone against the wishes of what we all agreed to at the May (might have been March/April cant quite correctly recall) SANFL delegates meeting in 1990, you suffer the consequences...."

Just a pity Bruce Webber won't be sitting on the other side of the table as Laurie cast his vote...

FWIW though provided all Power drafted players are available to all clubs in the mini-draft I don't have problem with an off-field merger of the clubs. On field must remain totally separate.

Got a funny feeling on how the other SANFL clubs are going to vote on this proposal if Port want to keep non SA drafted players for the Magpies only.

Neither the Magpies or the Power have said they want the SANFL team as a "reserves team" or anything like that. They have never said the Power draftees will go to the Magpies. They have said, repeatedly, that this merger will only effect things off field, nothing on field. The Magpies wont use the Power facilities, wont train with the Power players, wont get any inside info from Power listed players about SANFL clubs or whatever else the other SANFL clubs think will happen. Its actually a win for the SANFL clubs because the Power will be a lot less reliant on SANFL money by further being able to support themselves.

http://www.thepowerfromport.com.au/articles.php?action=view&article_id=9297&lid=2&yr=2009

[am Bays]

Neither the Magpies or the Power have said they want the SANFL team as a "reserves team" or anything like that. They have never said the Power draftees will go to the Magpies. They have said, repeatedly, that this merger will only effect things off field, nothing on field. The Magpies wont use the Power facilities, wont train with the Power players, wont get any inside info from Power listed players about SANFL clubs or whatever else the other SANFL clubs think will happen. Its actually a win for the SANFL clubs because the Power will be a lot less reliant on SANFL money by further being able to support themselves.

http://www.thepowerfromport.com.au/articles.php?action=view&article_id=9297&lid=2&yr=2009

What is "not a reserves team"? Is it a philosophical statement or are actual structures in place that elucidate that? There have been a lot of statements from Port Officials in the media but scant detail.

So the current practise where Port magpies use the power facilities for recovery going to cease with this arrangement? Witness Ginevar's comment post rd 22 in 2008 where he says Recovery is over there tomorrow morning - pointing East from Under the Williams family stand - following their win agaisnt the Eagles.

I've read quotes on here and on TPFP where Port fans have been saying how good it is to see Williams coming over to observe and comment on Magpies pre-season training, when tehy ahve trained at Alberton

As I said the actual detail and the staements with this proposal don't seem too transparent at this point in time.

So PAFC 1870 can you categorically state as a Port person that all SANFL clubs will have access to to all Port Power drafted players as per the current arrangements?

That is why the other SANFL are questioning this proposed merger where is the detail, what is the reality of this proposal. Rather than Greg Edwards putting a gun to their heads and saying "A no vote means they are voting to get rid of the Magpies" he'd be better placed explaining what it all means.

[Barto]

I would appreciate the irony if our club make Laurie Rosenwarne as our proxy delegate to the league meeting to vote on this proposal, "You bastards wanted to go alone against the wishes of what we all agreed to at the May (might have been March/April cant quite correctly recall) SANFL delegates meeting in 1990, you suffer the consequences...."

Just a pity Bruce Webber won't be sitting on the other side of the table as Laurie cast his vote...

FWIW though provided all Power drafted players are available to all clubs in the mini-draft I don't have problem with an off-field merger of the clubs. On field must remain totally separate.

Got a funny feeling on how the other SANFL clubs are going to vote on this proposal if Port want to keep non SA drafted players for the Magpies only.

I dont see what the big deal is about this point. Those players arent part of the long term future of the footy club, sure there's some rare ones like Thurstans but more often than not theyre in the way

[beenreal]

[quote="am Bays
What is "not a reserves team"? Is it a philosophical statement or are actual structures in place that elucidate that? There have been a lot of statements from Port Officials in the media but scant detail.

So the current practise where Port magpies use the power facilities for recovery going to cease with this arrangement? Witness Ginevar's comment post rd 22 in 2008 where he says Recovery is over there tomorrow morning - pointing East from Under the Williams family stand - following their win agaisnt the Eagles.

I've read quotes on here and on TPFP where Port fans have been saying how good it is to see Williams coming over to observe and comment on Magpies pre-season training, when tehy ahve trained at Alberton

As I said the actual detail and the staements with this proposal don't seem too transparent at this point in time.

So PAFC 1870 can you categorically state as a Port person that all SANFL clubs will have access to to all Port Power drafted players as per the current arrangements?

That is why the other SANFL are questioning this proposed merger where is the detail, what is the reality of this proposal. Rather than Greg Edwards putting a gun to their heads and saying "A no vote means they are voting to get rid of the Magpies" he'd be better placed explaining what it all means.[/quote]

So what, it only happens a few times a year, and the other clubs all get to use the facilities at West Lakes, except for Centrals who don't need to because they built their own top notch facilities. And they did that because they get to keep all their revenue, unlike the Magpies who have to split theirs with an AFL club.

And the official proposal hasn't been released yet. But why shouldn't all interstate draftees (mostly kids) play at the one club. It certainly wont make the Magpies worldbeaters, but would benefit the Power no end by having their recruits playing together and learning the same message.

[Psyber]

Neither the Magpies or the Power have said they want the SANFL team as a "reserves team" or anything like that. They have never said the Power draftees will go to the Magpies. They have said, repeatedly, that this merger will only effect things off field, nothing on field. The Magpies wont use the Power facilities, wont train with the Power players, wont get any inside info from Power listed players about SANFL clubs or whatever else the other SANFL clubs think will happen. Its actually a win for the SANFL clubs because the Power will be a lot less reliant on SANFL money by further being able to support themselves.
http://www.thepowerfromport.com.au/articles.php?action=view&article_id=9297&lid=2&yr=2009

If that is true when the details are examined, then it may get up. However, we all know not to trust what Port say, but get it in a solid contract.
If the Magpies did become a de facto reserves side the Crows would want one too. Then the SANFL competition could become lopsided...

I doubt beenreal's theory that it may not - I'm sure Port Adelaide would stack the qualifying for the SANFL team as much as possible when it became obvious the Power weren't going to make the finals yet again half way through each season, whereas the Crows players would be tied up in finals nearly every year...

[Mickyj]

Neither the Magpies or the Power have said they want the SANFL team as a "reserves team" or anything like that. They have never said the Power draftees will go to the Magpies. They have said, repeatedly, that this merger will only effect things off field, nothing on field. The Magpies wont use the Power facilities, wont train with the Power players, wont get any inside info from Power listed players about SANFL clubs or whatever else the other SANFL clubs think will happen. Its actually a win for the SANFL clubs because the Power will be a lot less reliant on SANFL money by further being able to support themselves.
http://www.thepowerfromport.com.au/articles.php?action=view&article_id=9297&lid=2&yr=2009

If that is true when the details are examined, then it may get up. However, we all know not to trust what Port say, but get it in a solid contract.
If the magpies did become a de facto reserves side the Crows would want one too. Then the SANFL competition could become lopsided...

the trouble with what PAFC1870 has put up as an argument you can not read with out joining up!!
and as I would like to show friends in Victoria there's no way I'm joining anything to do with Port .
My vic friends are Pro port and tell me we will fold without their crowd pulling power in the finals.
When I picked my self up off the floor from laughing i tried to point out they will be gone in 2011 .
Of course being Victorians they won't listen !!

[Psyber]

Perhaps the Power could merge completely with the Magpies and hand the AFL licence back to the SANFL.
Not only would that solve their identity crisis, but it would allow the formation of a second composite team that may get the support and numbers.
I would consider membership of such a team rather than wait for Crows membership, whereas I wouldn't join Port anything...

The SANFL could then look again at the 4 SANFL teams allied with each AFL team option to see if it was worth considering.

[topsywaldron]

But why shouldn't all interstate draftees (mostly kids) play at the one club. It certainly wont make the Magpies worldbeaters, but would benefit the Power no end by having their recruits playing together and learning the same message.

Certainly didn't work in W.A. when they tried it.

[Psyber]

But why shouldn't all interstate draftees (mostly kids) play at the one club. It certainly wont make the Magpies worldbeaters, but would benefit the Power no end by having their recruits playing together and learning the same message.

Certainly didn't work in W.A. when they tried it.

The poor buggers drafted by Port would never learn anything except how to play episodic football, unless they got exposed to a less incestuous coaching and club environment somehow.
And before anyone trots out the 2004 episode again - I credit that to "Bucky" Cunningham's active influence that one year as he tried to keep the major sponsor on board.

[beenreal]

But why shouldn't all interstate draftees (mostly kids) play at the one club. It certainly wont make the Magpies worldbeaters, but would benefit the Power no end by having their recruits playing together and learning the same message.

Certainly didn't work in W.A. when they tried it.

The poor buggers drafted by Port would never learn anything except how to play episodic football, unless they got exposed to a less incestuous coaching and club environment somehow.
And before anyone trots out the 2004 episode again - I credit that to "Bucky" Cunningham's active influence that one year as he tried to keep the major sponsor on board.

The WA experience was still dealing with 2 composite sides. Port Adelaide remains a unique situation in that it is still 1 AFL club, with an SANFL affiliate.

As for the present? All the "Team for SOME South Australians" knows is how to Bomb out in Finals, so come back to me when they win something this Millennium. But that's for the AFL Board I'm sure!