German Football

[johntheclaret]

Sun 20th Sept

todays fixtures

16:30 Bayer Leverkusen vs Werder Bremen
16:30 Hertha Berlin vs SC Freiburg

Yesterdays results

Bayern Munich 2 - 1 Nurnberg
VfB Stuttgart 0 - 2 Cologne
Hannover 96 1 - 1 Borussia Dortmund
Borussia M'gladbach 2 - 4 TSG Hoffenheim
VfL Bochum 2 - 3 Mainz

current table (top 10)

Pos Team P Pts
1 Hamburg 5 13
2 Bayer Leverkusen 5 13
3 Hoffenheim 6 11
4 1.FSV Mainz 05 (A) 6 11
5 Schalke 6 10
6 Bayern Munich 6 9
7 Eintracht Frankfurt 5 9
8 Wolfsburg 6 9
9 Werder Bremen 5 8
10 Borussia Monchengladbach 6 7

[johntheclaret]

I guess the biggest news around the Bundesliga for months has been the "will he won't he" drama of Ribery's move away from Bayern. 1st with Chelski, and laterly with big spending La Liga giants Real Madrid. By the looks of it, Bayern have already taken steps to cover any possible move by bringing in ex Chelsea star Ajen Robbin.

Ribery hints at Bayern stay

Frenchman admits he could extend contract with German giants. Franck Ribery has hinted that he may extend his stay at Bayern Munich by signing a new contract extension.
The winger appeared to be on his way out of the club after Real Madrid expressed an interest in the player throughout the summer.
But Bayern held firm and despite falling out with new boss Louis Van Gaal at the start of the season it now seems the Frenchman is toying with the idea of staying beyond 2011 - when his contract is due to run out.

Bayern's signing of Arjen Robben last month and the German club's improved form are thought to have contributed to the 26-year-old's change of heart.

[johntheclaret]

Result 20th Sep

Eintracht Frankfurt 1 - 1 Hamburg

[johntheclaret]

Following on from the discussion concerning attendances, I think you are right Wedgie. I've seen somewhere a 'league' table of most watched leagues around the world and the Bundesliga did come out on top.

Just to back that up, here are the attendances for Friday and Saturday's games this week.

Bayern Munich 2 Nurnberg 1
Attend: 69000 Half-time: 0-0

Borussia M'gladbach 2 TSG Hoffenheim 4
Attend: 56511 Half-time: 2-1

Hannover 96 1 Borussia Dortmund 1
Attend: 43754 Half-time: 0-1

VfB Stuttgart 0 Cologne 2
Attend: 41000 Half-time: 0-1

VfL Bochum 2 Mainz 3
Attend: 16225 Half-time: 2-1

Schalke 04 1 Wolfsburg 2
Attend: 61000 Half-time: 0-0

And these attendances aren't just because the big sides happen to be playing at home this week. Last week Cologne had 50,000 and Borussia Dortmund attracted 80,557.

I think things have changed somewhat since that survey, as Man U now have (and Fill) a capacity of 85,000, the Emirates stadium now holds 65,000, and we will see the expansion of stadiums in the EPL once the recession is over. Liverpool, Spurs and Everton all have expansion plans on hold.

One of the problems with English staduims is that many were built before the war and in the town centres, so expansion has been a problem. Man City chose to move to Eastlands rather than try to improve Maine Road, and the same could be said of Derby, Coventy, sunderland, Middlesboro to name a few, who have all opted to move out of town.

Another major difference between the EPL and the Bundesliga is the type of staduim. English staduims are all seater and covered. Many of the Bundesliga stadiums don't have that constraint. Bayern Stadium for example with a capacity in excess of 90,000 has very little covered area, making it that much cheaper to construct.

[johntheclaret]

Big blow this, for Hamburg, as the story says.

Hamburg dealt Guerrero blow. Top scorer could be out for up to six months

The striker is believed to have torn his cruciate knee ligaments on Wednesday when he was forced to leave the field after just 15 minutes of Peru's 3-1 defeat to Venezuela.
He is now due back in Germany on Friday when he will be examined by the club's medical team and faces up to six months on the sidelines if the initial diagnosis is confirmed.
It is a major blow for the league leaders as Guerrero has been on fire in the Bundesliga so far this term, netting four times in four games.

I guess this raises the same question asked by managers of all the top leagues. The conflict between club and counrty has intensified over thee years as the cost of relegation from the top flight gets bigger. Hamburg will be truly pissed at losing thier top striker for 6 months, and they have some justification, as it is the club who pays his wages.

On the flip side, the world governing body FIFA will argue that the top players must turn out for thier respective countries, and of course that the World Cup is the biggest single sport tournament on the planet.

[johntheclaret]

6 games gone and already we have a managerial casualty.

Bochum sack Koller

Poor start sees Swiss coach lose his job

Bochum have sacked coach Marcel Koller after their poor start to the season.
Koller took over at Bochum in 2005 and steered them back to the Bundesliga in his first season in charge before helping them stay up for the next three seasons.
However, Bochum have lost four of their opening six games and Saturday's 3-2 home defeat to Mainz was the last straw for the club's board.

Little respect given to the man who took them for the 2nd division and has kept them in the top flight. I hope the Burnley board show more faith and respecr to Owen Coyle than the Bochum board have to Koller

[johntheclaret]

Friday 25th September

Nurnberg 0 - 1 VfL Bochum

Diego Klimowicz's early goal earned Bochum a 1-0 win at Nurnberg to lift the managerless club out of the relegation zone.
Bochum sacked Marcel Koller after last weekend's defeat by Mainz left the club with just one win from their opening six Bundesliga games.
Frank Heinemann is in caretaker charge and he oversaw the narrow win at Nurnberg, which was secured by Klimowicz's seventh minute effort.
Paul Freier played in a cross from the flank and Klimowicz was on hand to score past Nurnberg keeper Raphael Schafer from close range.
Joel Epalle had a good chance to increase Bochum's lead just past the half-hour mark, while Dennis Diekmeier missed for Nurnberg midway through the second half.
The result moves Bochum up to 12th in the standings, while Nurnberg slip to third from bottom in the table, having won just once from seven attempts.

Pos Team P Pts
1 Hamburg 6 14
2 Bayer Leverkusen 6 14
3 Bayern Munich 6 11
4 Hoffenheim 6 11
5 1.FSV Mainz 05 (A) 6 11
6 Eintracht Frankfurt 6 10
7 Schalke 6 10
8 Werder Bremen 6 9
9 Wolfsburg 6 9
10 Borussia Monchengladbach 6 7
11 SC Freiburg 6 7
12 Hannover 96 6 6
13 Borussia Dortmund 6 6
14 FC Nurnberg 6 5
15 Stuttgart 6 5
16 Cologne 6 4
17 Bochum 6 4
18 Hertha Berlin 6 3

[johntheclaret]

German Cup round-up

Bayern easily through, Monchengladbach suffer surprise defeat
Bayern Munich secured their place in the third round of the German Cup after they thumped second tier Oberhausen 5-0 at the Allianz Arena.
Defender Philipp Lahm opened the scoring just after the half hour mark before striker Mario Gomez it 2-0 just before the break.
Daniel Van Buyten ended any hope the visitors had of launching a second-half comeback by adding a third on 67 minutes while Thomas Muller and Van Buyten added a second to complete the scoring.

Schalke easily beat their Bundesliga compatriots Bochum 3-0 in a Westphalian derby away.
Heiko Westermann grabbed the first after 10 minutes before second half strikes from Halil Altintop and and an own goal from Christian Fuchs sealed the win.

Dortmund were equally comfortable when they visited Karlsruhe. Egyptian striker Mohammed Zidan started them on their way to a 3-0 win in the third minute before Lucas Barrios ended the contest with a brace.

Hoffenheim overcame fellow top flight side and 2007 Cup winners Nurnberg away, a Per Nilsson goal after 35 minutes enough to see off the hosts.

Borussia Monchengladbach fell to a surprise 1-0 home defeat to Bundesliga 2 side Duisburg with Kristoffer Andersen grabbing the only goal in the last minute.

[johntheclaret]

Hertha offer lifeline to Ochs

Keeper eager to grasp his chance with Bundesliga strugglers. Hertha Berlin have signed goalkeeper Timo Ochs on a free transfer following an injury to Jaroslav Drobny.
Czech Republic shot-stopper Drobny is set to be out for several weeks and the Bundesliga's bottom club have brought in Ochs as a replacement.
Ochs was available on a free transfer after leaving Red Bull Salzburg in the summer and he has signed a contract until the end of the season.

[johntheclaret]

Sunday 27th September

SC Freiburg 3 - 0 Borussia M'gladbach
TSG Hoffenheim 5 - 1 Hertha Berlin

Saturday 26th September

Wolfsburg 4 - 2 Hannover 96
Borussia Dortmund 0 - 1 Schalke 04
Werder Bremen 3 - 0 Mainz
Hamburg 1 - 0 Bayern Munich
Eintracht Frankfurt 0 - 3 VfB Stuttgart
Cologne 0 - 1 Bayer Leverkusen

Pos Team P Pts
1 Hamburg 7 17
2 Bayer Leverkusen 7 17
3 Schalke 7 13
4 Werder Bremen 7 12
5 Wolfsburg 7 12
6 Bayern Munich 7 11
7 Hoffenheim 6 11
8 1.FSV Mainz 05 (A) 7 11
9 Eintracht Frankfurt 7 10
10 Stuttgart 7 8
11 Borussia Monchengladbach 6 7
12 SC Freiburg 6 7
13 Bochum 7 7
14 Hannover 96 7 6
15 Borussia Dortmund 7 6
16 FC Nurnberg 7 5
17 Cologne 7 4
18 Hertha Berlin 6 3

An 82nd-minute goal from Simon Rolfes was enough to earn Leverkusen a 1-0 success at Cologne and maintain their unbeaten start to the season.
Cologne finished the match with 10 men when Portugal midfielder Maniche was dismissed four minutes from time.

Jefferson Farfan struck after 31 minutes to earn Schalke the local bragging rights after a 1-0 triumph away to derby rivals Borussia Dortmund.

Julian Schieber bagged a first-half double as Stuttgart cruised to a 3-0 win at Eintracht Frankfurt, who played much of the game with 10 men.
After Schieber had given Stuttgart a 2-0 lead, Frankfurt's Marco Russ was sent off on 33 minutes and Thomas Hitzlsperger completed the scoring on 54 minutes.

Defending champions Wolfsburg were among the goals after a thrilling 4-2 victory at home to Hannover.
Zvjezdan Misimovic gave Wolfsburg an early lead before Hannover drew level on 28 minutes through Hanno Balitsch.
Goals either side of half-time from Christian Gentner and Makoto Hasebe put Wolfsburg in command, only for Hannover to get back into it through Alexander Madlung's own goal.
However, prolific Bosnian striker Edin Dzeko scored a fourth goal for Wolfsburg, who face Manchester United in the UEFA Champions League on Wednesday.

Claudio Pizarro scored a second-half brace as Werder Bremen eased to a 3-0 home win over Mainz to move above their opponents in the table.
Bremen took the lead before half-time through Aaron Hunt and former Chelsea striker Pizarro netted on 71 and 82 minutes to wrap up the points.

[Il Duce]

Round 14

Bochum 0 - 0 1. FC Cologne
Hertha BSC 1 - 3 Eintracht Frankfurt
Hoffenheim 1 - 2 Borussia Dortmund
Mainz 1 - 1 Hamburger SV
Nurnberg 0 - 1 Freiburg
Werder Bremen 2 - 2 Wolfsburg
Monchengladbach 1 - 0 Schalke
Bayer Leverkusen 4 - 0 Stuttgart
Hannover 0 - 3 Bayern Munich


Rank Team GP W D L GS GA P
1 Bayer Leverkusen 14 8 6 0 30 9 30
2 Werder Bremen 14 7 6 1 31 12 27
3 Schalke 04 14 7 4 3 21 13 25
4 Bayern München 14 6 6 2 22 11 24
5 Hamburger SV 14 6 6 2 28 18 24
6 Hoffenheim 14 7 2 5 25 13 23
7 FSV Mainz 05 14 6 5 3 20 18 23
8 VfL Wolfsburg 14 6 4 4 27 25 22
9 Borussia Dortmund 14 5 6 3 15 16 21
10 Eintracht Frankfurt 14 5 4 5 17 21 19
11 Borussia M'gladbach 14 5 3 6 16 21 18
12 Hannover 96 14 4 4 6 16 19 16
13 Freiburg 14 5 1 8 17 30 16
14 Köln 14 3 4 7 7 15 13
15 FC Nürnberg 14 3 3 8 12 21 12
16 VfL Bochum 14 3 3 8 13 25 12
17 VfB Stuttgart 14 2 5 7 11 20 11
18 Hertha BSC 14 1 2 11 9 30 5

[pels]

results from last weekend

Schalke 04 1 - 0 Mainz
Bayer Leverkusen 3 - 2 Borussia
Bayern Munich 5 - 2 Hertha Berlin
Borussia Dortmund 1 - 0 SC Freiburg
Eintracht Frankfurt 2 - 2 VfL Wolfsburg
Hannover 96 2 - 3 VfL Bochum
VfB Stuttgart 3 - 1 TSG Hoffenheim
Hamburg SV 2 - 1 Werder Bremen
FC Cologne 3 - 0 Nurnberg

Pts
1 Bayer Leverkusen 35
2 Schalke 04 34
3 Bayern Munich 33
4 Hamburg SV 31
5 Borussia Dortmund 30
6 Werder Bremen 28
7 TSG Hoffenheim 25
8 VfL Wolfsburg 24
9 Mainz 24
10 Eintracht Frankfurt 24
11 Borussia Monchengladbach 21
12 FC Cologne 18
13 SC Freiburg 18
14 Hannover 96 17
15 VfB Stuttgart 16
16 VfL Bochum 16
17 Nurnberg 12
18 Hertha Berlin 6

Have been following the Bundesliga highlights show on One HD and really enjoying it.
Their fans are full on, last weekend it was freezing cold & snowing but most grounds were full.

[johntheclaret]

Sunday 20th December
Hamburg 2 - 1 Werder Bremen
Cologne 3 - 0 Nurnberg

Saturday 19th December
Bayern Munich 5 - 2 Hertha Berlin
Borussia Dortmund 1 - 0 SC Freiburg
Hannover 96 2 - 3 VfL Bochum
Eintracht Frankfurt 2 - 2 Wolfsburg
Bayer Leverkusen 3 - 2 Borussia M'gladbach
VfB Stuttgart 3 - 1 TSG Hoffenheim

Friday 18th December
Schalke 04 1 - 0 Mainz


Pos Team P Pts
1 Bayer Leverkusen 17 35
2 Schalke 17 34
3 Bayern Munich 17 33
4 Hamburg 17 31
5 Borussia Dortmund 17 30
6 Werder Bremen 17 28
7 Hoffenheim 17 25
8 Wolfsburg 17 24
9 FSV Mainz 05 17 24
10 Eintracht Frankfurt 17 24
11 Borussia Monchengladbach 17 21
12 Cologne 17 18
13 SC Freiburg 17 18
14 Hannover 96 17 17
15 Stuttgart 17 16
16 Bochum 17 16
17 FC Nurnberg 17 12
18 Hertha Berlin 17 6

[johntheclaret]

Saturday 16th January

Hannover 96 0 - 3 Hertha Berlin
Eintracht Frankfurt 1 - 0 Werder Bremen
Borussia M'gladbach 1 - 2 VfL Bochum
VfB Stuttgart 3 - 1 Wolfsburg
Bayer Leverkusen 4 - 2 Mainz
Hamburg 2 - 0 SC Freiburg

Friday 15th January

Bayern Munich 2 - 0 TSG Hoffenheim

Pos Team P Pts
1 Bayern Munich 18 36
2 Bayer Leverkusen 17 35
3 Schalke 17 34
4 Hamburg 17 31
5 Borussia Dortmund 17 30
6 Werder Bremen 17 28
7 Hoffenheim 18 25
8 Wolfsburg 17 24
9 FSV Mainz 05 17 24
10 Eintracht Frankfurt 17 24
11 Borussia Monchengladbach 17 21
12 Cologne 17 18
13 SC Freiburg 17 18
14 Hannover 96 17 17
15 Stuttgart 17 16
16 Bochum 17 16
17 FC Nurnberg 17 12
18 Hertha Berlin 17 6

[Il Duce]

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts Qualification or relegation

1 Bayern Munich (C) 34 20 10 4 72 31 +41 70 2010–11 UEFA Champions League Group stage
2 Schalke 04 34 19 8 7 53 31 +22 65
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3 Werder Bremen 34 17 10 7 71 40 +31 61 2010–11 UEFA Champions League Play-off round
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4 Bayer Leverkusen 34 15 14 5 65 38 +27 59 2010–11 UEFA Europa League Play-off round
5 Borussia Dortmund 34 16 9 9 54 42 +12 57
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6 Stuttgart 34 15 10 9 51 41 +10 55 2010–11 UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round 1
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7 Hamburg 34 13 13 8 56 41 +15 52
8 Wolfsburg 34 14 8 12 64 58 +6 50
9 Mainz 34 12 11 11 36 42 −6 47
10 Eintracht Frankfurt 34 12 10 12 47 54 −7 46
11 Hoffenheim 34 11 9 14 44 42 +2 42
12 Mönchengladbach 34 10 9 15 43 60 −17 39
13 Köln 34 9 11 14 33 42 −9 38
14 Freiburg 34 9 8 17 35 59 −24 35
15 Hannover 96 34 9 6 19 43 67 −24 33
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16 Nuremberg (O) 34 8 7 19 32 58 −26 31 Bundesliga relegation play-off
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17 Bochum (R) 34 6 10 18 33 64 −31 28 Relegation to the 2. Fußball-Bundesliga
18 Hertha BSC (R) 34 5 9 20 34 56 −22 24

(O) won playoff

[johntheclaret]

BUNDESLIGA 1

27th Aug
Kaiserslautern 2 0 Bayern Munich
22nd Aug
Mainz 05 FSV 2 0 Stuttgart
B.Dortmund 0 2 B. Leverkusen
21st Aug
Hanover 2 1 E.Frankfurt
Freiburg 1 3 FC St. Pauli
Cologne 1 3 Kaiserslautern
Hamburg 2 1 Schalk
B.M'gladbach 1 1 Nurnberg
1899 Hoffenheim 4 1 W.Bremen
20th Aug
Bayern Munich 2 1 Wolfsburg

Pos Team Pld W D L F A Diff Pts
1 Kaiserslautern 2 2 0 0 5 1 4 6
2 1899 Hoffenheim 1 1 0 0 4 1 3 3
3 FC St. Pauli 1 1 0 0 3 1 2 3
4 B. Leverkusen 1 1 0 0 2 0 2 3
5 Mainz 05 FSV 1 1 0 0 2 0 2 3
6 Hamburg 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 3
7 Hanover 1 1 0 0 2 1 1 3
8 Bayern Munich 2 1 0 1 2 3 -1 3
9 Nurnberg 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
10 B.M'gladbach 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1
11 E.Frankfurt 1 0 0 1 1 2 -1 0
12 Schalke 1 0 0 1 1 2 -1 0
13 Wolfsburg 1 0 0 1 1 2 -1 0
14 Cologne 1 0 0 1 1 3 -2 0
15 Freiburg 1 0 0 1 1 3 -2 0
16 B.Dortmund 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
17 Stuttgart 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
18 W.Bremen 1 0 0 1 1 4 -3 0

BUNDESLIGA 2

27th Aug
Erzgebirge Aue 1 0 Bochum
Augsburg 1 0 SC Paderborn 07
Oberhausen Rot-Weiss 1 0 FSV Frankfurt
23rd Aug
Bochum 3 2 1860 Munich
22nd Aug
Greuther Fürth SpVgg 4 1 Karlsruher
VFL Osnabrück 1 3 Duisburg
Cottbus 2 0 Fortuna Dusseldorf
21st Aug
FC Ingolstadt 04 1 4 Augsburg
SC Paderborn 07 0 1 Erzgebirge Aue
20th Aug
Hertha Berlin 3 2 Oberhausen Rot-Weiss
TSV Alemannia Aachen 2 2 Union Berlin
FSV Frankfurt 2 1 A.Bielefeld

Pos Team Pld W D L F A Diff Pts
1 Augsburg 2 2 0 0 5 1 4 6
2 Erzgebirge Aue 2 2 0 0 2 0 2 6
3 Greuther Fürth SpVgg 1 1 0 0 4 1 3 3
4 Duisburg 1 1 0 0 3 1 2 3
5 Cottbus 1 1 0 0 2 0 2 3
6 Hertha Berlin 1 1 0 0 3 2 1 3
7 Oberhausen Rot-Weiss 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
8 Bochum 2 1 0 1 3 3 0 3
9 FSV Frankfurt 2 1 0 1 2 2 0 3
10 Union Berlin 1 0 1 0 2 2 0 1
11 TSV Alemannia Aachen 1 0 1 0 2 2 0 1
12 1860 Munich 1 0 0 1 2 3 -1 0
13 A.Bielefeld 1 0 0 1 1 2 -1 0
14 VFL Osnabrück 1 0 0 1 1 3 -2 0
15 Fortuna Dusseldorf 1 0 0 1 0 2 -2 0
16 SC Paderborn 07 2 0 0 2 0 2 -2 0
17 FC Ingolstadt 04 1 0 0 1 1 4 -3 0
18 Karlsruher 1 0 0 1 1 4 -3 0