Is the SANFL board just "yes men" to the AFL ?

[JK]

Hypothetical question AB ... If the only way to achieve the Salary increase was via additional AFL funding and input/direction, would you accept the change from SANFL to AFLSA?

[Hondo]

Our salary cap 10% of the TPP for each AFL club which as I understand it is $6 Million (excluding the extra payments Sydney currently get and the new franchises will).

Just to be pedantic, I think the AFL salary cap is closer to $8m - $ 9m. Does the SANFL cap cover every player from u18s to league? I think the AFL cap covers the main list of 40 + rookies (about 5).

[am Bays]

Hypothetical question AB ... If the only way to achieve the Salary increase was via additional AFL funding and input/direction, would you accept the change from SANFL to AFLSA?

Mate if it more money for our competition, in a heart beat.

[redandblack]

In that case, aB, I think you're just a 'yes man' to the AFL

Selling us out for the sake of a few dollars. It would be the end of our competition, etc, etc, etc....

Never mind, welcome over to our side of the argument

Now what was it you were saying about the SANFL????????

[am Bays]

In that case, aB, I think you're just a 'yes man' to the AFL

Selling us out for the sake of a few dollars. It would be the end of our competition, etc, etc, etc....

Never mind, welcome over to our side of the argument

Now what was it you were saying about the SANFL????????

*chuckle*

R&B you and I both know that the parent body would be called AFLSA but the competition would be called the SANFL. If it meant more money so good players weren't tempted to look elsewhere then all good I say.

Once again it is all good having a debate with you R&B.

[Hondo]

am bays or R&B, what sort of talent pool exists in the country and ammos that could be lured back with higher payments? I support a higher cap if all 9 clubs can afford it and if it's not all spent on interstate recruits so our local lads still miss out (the new import rule covers off my concern on recruiting).

So I am interested in what SANFL level talent is out there if the pay was better.

[redandblack]

In that case, aB, I think you're just a 'yes man' to the AFL

Selling us out for the sake of a few dollars. It would be the end of our competition, etc, etc, etc....

Never mind, welcome over to our side of the argument

Now what was it you were saying about the SANFL????????

*chuckle*

R&B you and I both know that the parent body would be called AFLSA but the competition would be called the SANFL. If it meant more money so good players weren't tempted to look elsewhere then all good I say.

Once again it is all good having a debate with you R&B.

I always enjoy a debate with you too, am Bays. I've particularly enjoyed this one and have to give you credit for trying (albeit failing) to get back to your feet at the count of nine

The result will be awarded to CP, by TKO

As for your question, Hondo, I'm totally with you. It would just mean more money spent on interstate recruits.

[holden78]

Do you have to be so negative all the time .......... oh thats right your working for Westies

In that case, aB, I think you're just a 'yes man' to the AFL

Selling us out for the sake of a few dollars. It would be the end of our competition, etc, etc, etc....

Never mind, welcome over to our side of the argument

Now what was it you were saying about the SANFL????????

[redandblack]

I'm not surprised that you're the only one who missed the point of that post, holden

Good to see you had the patience to wait for one of my posts, though.

[holden78]

By missing it , Im giving you the reply it was worthy of ! Heh by the way , any spots opening up in Westies Cheer Squad , Im quite deranged ofcoarse ? ["quote="redandblack"]I'm not surprised that you're the only one who missed the point of that post, holden

Good to see you had the patience to wait for one of my posts, though.[/quote]

[UK Fan]

I'll answer properly later, am Bays, but it seems like you're saying we should tell the AFL to go jump, as long as they give us more money from their TV deals.

Can't see it happening, mate

ANy chance R&B you could answer this quaestion for me.

I have asked this question a few times on this website but not once has it been answered. SO Ill try again.

We all know how much AFL games at AAMI stadium are worth in revenue to the SANFL.

Any chance someone could tell me how much Port and The Crows are worth to the AFL ????

350000 viewers every week, merchandising, ticket sales, sponsorship, the fact SA one of 3 traditional footballing states is involved with the league ????

I would think it would be a very valuable asset indeed. It would certainly cause some concern you would think if they were to even contemplate losing such a valuable asset.

Dont you think if you were going into negotations with the AFL you might want to know your own value as an asset first. If you can answer this for me R&B.

Ill gladly tell you what I would do next time the AFL threatens to take funds away from the states juniors or even mentions this leagues salary cap.

[magpie in the 80's]

Going by this news report you could say the SANFL are YES men

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html

[redandblack]

Good questions, UK Fan, but they don't change the argument at all.

I would say the Crows in particular are a huge asset to the AFL, but aren't worth a cracker without the AFL.

Without the AFL run competition, none of the clubs are worth anything. The Crows could threaten to leave their comp, but they would then cease to exist and I don't think they're contemplating such a move for a second. I'm sure they're comfortable with their position and so are the SANFL.

I've never suggested that the AFL is wonderful, only that the SANFL just have to be realistic in its dealings with the AFL, as the AFL holds all the cards.

Notions of the SANFL telling the AFL where to go are just silly in the real world of football power and politics. I also don't agree with everything the SANFL do either (in fact I phoned them to vigorously complain about their disgraceful lack of Magarey Medal coverage), but on the SANFL/AFL issue, they have very few options.

MI80's, you're right, they have to smile when they're told to

[therisingblues]

what clubs are those "rising blues" besides Port? Have a look at the ins and outs thread, doesn't look like too many of the clubs are doing too badly. If a club can't pay the current low salary cap, then they're doing something seriously wrong.
Coming up with the same old pokie crap arguement wears a bit thin. Be interesting to see if the Blues, get Hinge Giles as well as Hassan.
Just for info Central (I'm assuming that's where your stereotypical jealousy is targeted) made a small profit this year. Maybe not going on recruiting splurges helps the balance sheet.

Dude, if pokies don't have a place in this debate then Koalas don't climb trees and chew leaves. There is more than one thing that makes a club successful, I am sure a lot of players would like to head out to Elizabeth just to play under Laird and experience the stability of the CDFC. My only jealousy of them is for their recent onfield success and I am not afraid to admit that. I have tipped my hat to the Dogs on more than one occassion just this past year, an dmany more times before then.
So my earlier comment was not from such motivation however, and if pokies don't make such a difference to the balance sheet then I'll withdraw the comment, but my understanding is that it is a veritable cash cow and it is a simple truth that poorer people dump much more money into pokie machines.
Originally I pondered how some clubs would survive under the old cap. For D4E to throw out a line like "financial incompetence" without considering some factors is short sighted. In attempting to address one of those factors I have seemed to have offended you. But I fail to understand how easy it is for your ilk to goad over others their lack of cash yet cry foul when we mention the source of yours.
P.S. The other clubs I was referring to were Sturt and Norwood. I read a fair bit about their financial struggles in recent times. If you are now telling me that it is all in my head and Sturt is cruising by then that is good news to me.

Koalas do climb trees and agreed Pokies do make a difference to the balance sheet. I believe, perhaps as you do, that there should be a cap. For obvious reasons i.e the wealthier clubs can't just go and buy all the best players, then become more successful and wealthier still. It provides for a potentially "fairer" comp. However, I'm not for any reduction in the already reduced current cap. we are already seeing quite a few players prematurely retiring due the demands of SANFL footy for lesser pay.
I don't believe the current cap (though difficult) is too onerous for clubs to support. Regarding Norwood one of the clubs mentioned. The cap payments not only were met by them but exceeded, so they can't be struggling to badly. As for Sturt, if they are able to attain the services of Hinge or Giles, I think you can rest a bit more easily regarding their financial situation, and ability to meet player payments (the cap).
Maybe both clubs have been able to deal with previous poor decisions and adversity and have turned things around.
P.S I don't goad over others lack of cash (not even Port.......well maybe a little

The other clubs I was referring to were Sturt and Norwood. I read a fair bit about their financial struggles in recent times. If you are now telling me that it is all in my head and Sturt is cruising by then that is good news to me.[/quote

Good News Rising Blues!!!! It was all in your head. Perhaps you should stop reading the annual reports from the mid 90's.

Thanks SJT. Perhaps I am a bit uninformed about financial matters in the SANFL. But I'll always welcome good news no matter how stupid it makes me look.

[UK Fan]

Good questions, UK Fan, but they don't change the argument at all.

I would say the Crows in particular are a huge asset to the AFL, but aren't worth a cracker without the AFL.

Without the AFL run competition, none of the clubs are worth anything. The Crows could threaten to leave their comp, but they would then cease to exist and I don't think they're contemplating such a move for a second. I'm sure they're comfortable with their position and so are the SANFL.

I've never suggested that the AFL is wonderful, only that the SANFL just have to be realistic in its dealings with the AFL, as the AFL holds all the cards.

Notions of the SANFL telling the AFL where to go are just silly in the real world of football power and politics. I also don't agree with everything the SANFL do either (in fact I phoned them to vigorously complain about their disgraceful lack of Magarey Medal coverage), but on the SANFL/AFL issue, they have very few options.

MI80's, you're right, they have to smile when they're told to

Excellent point you make R&B. Just one thing what exactly are you talking about ???

If you think threatening the AFL doesnt work. Speak to the head of the umpires association.

Do you honestly think the SANFL couldnt think of another league to put a version of the Crows in ????

[redandblack]

No, UK, I can't think of another competition the SANFL could put a version of the Crows in.

Do you know what you're talking about?

[Hondo]

The AFL own the trademark and any rights to the Crows logo, name and colours anyway. As I have heard it, the AFL did that to avoid a repeat of the Rugby League war where existing NRL teams walked away to another comp with their identities intact.

The AFL would just start a new Adelaide Crows without going through the SANFL and take all the history and members with them.

Bluff called, thanks for coming.

Not that this scenario has even the remotest chance of ever happening.

[UK Fan]

The AFL own the trademark and any rights to the Crows logo, name and colours anyway. As I have heard it, the AFL did that to avoid a repeat of the Rugby League war where existing NRL teams walked away to another comp with their identities intact.

The AFL would just start a new Adelaide Crows without going through the SANFL and take all the history and members with them.

Bluff called, thanks for coming.

Not that this scenario has even the remotest chance of ever happening.

Yes they own the AFLs version of the Crows. Nothing stopping the SANFL making and owning their version CROWS FC.

Whilst I agree the AFL could go through all the headaches of starting a new Crows elsewhere. Whilst also facing the chance of losing its pot of gold in the SA market.

You have to agree the other option is the easiest for everyone that is the AFL/SANFL keep the current agreement,the AFL ignore the SANFL's salary cap whilst making no change to our junior funding levels.

See how easy it is ??????

[am Bays]

With respect, though, aB, I think some deserve more and some less, just as it is now. The main attraction of SANFL to most young players is that it gives them their only chance of making it to the AFL., or they are there to make a successful SANFL career. The reality is that most, if they aren't happy with their pay, will go to a local or country team for the dollars.

As for 10%, 10% of what? The AFL club salary cap in total? 10% of what Chris Judd is on, or 10% of what a new draftee is on? Whatever it is, the SANFL clubs have to raise the dollars. Some will do it easily, some will go to the wall trying to keep up.

As I said 10% of the TPP for each AFL club ~ $600 000.

In addition to making our competion attractive to young players by providing them with a vehicle to make the AFL lets make it attractive to them by making it worth their while to stay in it rather than going back to metropolitan or country clubs. For your top 40 players I am basiclly saying pay them an extra $5000 to $10 000 a year on average to make it more rewarding to play SANFL. Lets make our competiotion the best it can be.

And I'm just saying this for the SANFL I'm saying it for the VFL and WAFL too so all the major state leagues are equal. The extra $$$$ from the AFL could be tied to the state league clubs doing more development work. Imagine each SANFL club having the equivalent of an additional 2-3 FTE development officers. It would allow our code to stregthen its efforts in attracting teh best footballers into teh future rather than tehm going to teh other codes.

I'm not saying this would be easy or that we couldn't do it without AFl help but we I strongly believe we have to reward and strenghn the broad base of State league players and clubs who are the foundation of a strong elite AFL competition

[redandblack]

Mate, ask your CEO if he wants to try and raise an extra $250,000 for player payments.

Ask the AFL for more money? According to the plenty on here, they'll only give extra money if the SANFL salary cap is reduced, not nearly doubled.