ports 'prison bar' design to go ?

[Booney]

Agreed, keep the two on field operations as is but merge the two off field operations to give both the best possible opportunity to survive.

Marketing and Admin alone could save $100k's per year in saved wages and ultimately the marketing department are governed by the on field performances to some extent. Get the teams winning, I dont care how attractive the game style is ( see St.Kilda 2009 ) although I admit the more attractive Geelong,Adelaide and Bulldogs' ( Central and WB ) style of play would help get bums on seats, winning is the answer, for both teams.

Gets some wins under the belt, sponsors get on board.

Although not in anyway a direct result of the Global Financial Crisis there could not be a worse time to publicly be putting the hand out to the SANFL and trying to find sponsors. The whole business sector is surprised at the relatively low impact the GFC had on Australia and many are tightening their belts in expectation of a tough 2010.

[eaglehaslanded]

Then you are completely missing the point. The 'merger'will be for off field operations there at this point will be no joint on field efforts.
It will be a miracle if the other 8 clubs allow the off filed merger, let alone the likelihood of a full merger.

Booney if it was to be a merger only in an operational sense to help both clubs financialy I could live with that. I don't agree with the Power colours, guernsey being worn in the SANFL they are an AFL club not SANFL.

I don't understand how they would adopt the Power colours etc without being classed as a reserves based entity to the AFL team thus changing the feeder structure in the SANFL.

The main reason the Power have got themselves into the trouble their in is because they only represent Port Adelaide and not SA Footy or the SANFL. The reason the Crows have been so strong off the field is that they truly represent SA hence why they market themselves as the team for all South Australians. If the Power took a leaf out of the Crows book they could be all the more successful for it.

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

Then you are completely missing the point. The 'merger'will be for off field operations there at this point will be no joint on field efforts.
It will be a miracle if the other 8 clubs allow the off filed merger, let alone the likelihood of a full merger.

Booney if it was to be a merger only in an operational sense to help both clubs financialy I could live with that. I don't agree with the Power colours, guernsey being worn in the SANFL they are an AFL club not SANFL.

I don't understand how they would adopt the Power colours etc without being classed as a reserves based entity to the AFL team thus changing the feeder structure in the SANFL.

The main reason the Power have got themselves into the trouble their in is because they only represent Port Adelaide and not SA Footy or the SANFL. The reason the Crows have been so strong off the field is that they truly represent SA hence why they market themselves as the team for all South Australians. If the Power took a leaf out of the Crows book they could be all the more successful for it.

I agree - when they started their "live the Creed" promotion they re-inforced their belief they are an extension of the old PAMFC with the PAMFC traditions. Hence why I could never support them, even if I want Danny Meyer to do well, old memories die hard.

[Booney]

Over old ground or what.

Of course hindsight suggests that we could have targeted a wider market by not having any Port Adelaide about our AFL entry, but how did we get there in the first place?

Interesting to hear Russell Ebert say on AA this morning that way back in the 50's and 60's there was thought at Alberton that port Adelaide should always try to play in the highest standard competition if possible. Interesting.

[eaglehaslanded]

Over old ground or what.

Of course hindsight suggests that we could have targeted a wider market by not having any Port Adelaide about our AFL entry, but how did we get there in the first place?

Interesting to hear Russell Ebert say on AA this morning that way back in the 50's and 60's there was thought at Alberton that port Adelaide should always try to play in the highest standard competition if possible. Interesting.

I agree that you can't forget your heritage but when you market yourselves wholely and solely on heritage how in the hell do you expect to attract new supporters in the SA football market. It's always been a lover or hate thing in SA with Port Adelaide that's not likely to change at all either. They could have adopted the colours they have which would have maintained some form of heritage but badged it differently possibly Southern Power or something of a similar nature. I gurantee you that they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in today if that was the case.

[Macca19]

I agree - when they started their "live the Creed" promotion they re-inforced their belief they are an extension of the old PAMFC with the PAMFC traditions. Hence why I could never support them, even if I want Danny Meyer to do well, old memories die hard.

Big deal. We are Port Adelaide. Thats who we are. The Creed is part of the club, but its something that all people should relate to. Going in hard, 100% and doing anything to win (pity the team didnt apply to this theory). Theres nothing in the creed which states 'only those that live between Largs and Cheltenham need apply'. And again, if peoples alleged "support" is so flaky that at the hint of anything historical coming into it they claim 'thats it my support is gone' then those sort of people arent what we need anyway.

[Macca19]

They could have adopted the colours they have which would have maintained some form of heritage but badged it differently possibly Southern Power or something of a similar nature. I gurantee you that they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in today if that was the case.

Correct. The club would have died 8 years ago when no Port supporters jumped on the "Southern Power Football Club".

[eaglehaslanded]

I agree - when they started their "live the Creed" promotion they re-inforced their belief they are an extension of the old PAMFC with the PAMFC traditions. Hence why I could never support them, even if I want Danny Meyer to do well, old memories die hard.

Big deal. We are Port Adelaide. Thats who we are. The Creed is part of the club, but its something that all people should relate to. Going in hard, 100% and doing anything to win (pity the team didnt apply to this theory). Theres nothing in the creed which states 'only those that live between Largs and Cheltenham need apply'. And again, if peoples alleged "support" is so flaky that at the hint of anything historical coming into it they claim 'thats it my support is gone' then those sort of people arent what we need anyway.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. This is the exact reason why both of your clubs are struggling. It is also why the majority of football supporters hate Port Adelaide. It's 1 thing being proud of heritage but it's a totally different thing to market yourself wholely and solely in this manner. This is why Port Adelaide will continue to be a failure.

[eaglehaslanded]

They could have adopted the colours they have which would have maintained some form of heritage but badged it differently possibly Southern Power or something of a similar nature. I gurantee you that they wouldn't be in the predicament they are in today if that was the case.

Correct. The club would have died 8 years ago when no Port supporters jumped on the "Southern Power Football Club".

By adopting the Port Adelaide club colours the true Port supporters would know it was their club and jumped on board but by doing this you would have had an opportunity to capture a completely new market. You failed as a club to do so and look now where you are now. Even your live the creed marketing last season was a complete and utter failure as your average home crowd continued to drop.

[Macca19]

Even your live the creed marketing last season was a complete and utter failure as your average home crowd continued to drop.

Our average home crowd improved in 2009.

[Hondo]

The last 2 years have been their 2 worst ever for on-field performances. It's been the last 2 years where the average crowds have dropped from 30,000 to 23-24,000. Port supporters that ring into 5AA almost all blame the on field form for why they have stopped going. I don't think all those 6000 people aren't going because of a marketing slogan. Some of their performances at home have been terrible. Big leads slipping and blow out losses don't motivate your fans to turn up.

From what I have read they need around 30,000 average home crowd to make enough extra $$$ to turn a profit. So IMO they don't need to completely lose their identity to return to the 30,000 average they had from 1997-2007. They only need to find another 6000 people prepared to go to games and some of those will return if they can see decent performances.

They do need to build up more of a buffer IMO. If it was a 35000 average crowd dropping to 29000 in a bad year things could be a lot different. I just don't think an "Adelaide Power" scenario is the answer because you risk losing more supporters (Port people) than you might gain. You also lose die-hards and gain neutrals who are even less likely to show up in bad times.

I don't think dropping "North Melbourne" helped the Kangaroos attendances at all given they have now abandoned it.

[therisingblues]

EHL, in this thread you basically just look anti-Port Adelaide. I find it hard to agree with most of your views and some of them have been point blank proven wrong by other posters. I know you have an opinion and a right to air it (yadda, yadda, yadda...) but boil it all down and about the only genuine opinion I can find is that you hate Port Adelaide and are scratching for reasons to sink the boot in. One thing I do I do agree with however, is that the prison bars design and the Magpie emblem should remain
Whatever happens they should not be allowed to fold, they are too important a chunk of SA football history, and I trust the wariness of the other clubs to ensure that the proposed merger does not threaten their own livelihoods.

[eaglehaslanded]

EHL, in this thread you basically just look anti-Port Adelaide. I find it hard to agree with most of your views and some of them have been point blank proven wrong by other posters. I know you have an opinion and a right to air it (yadda, yadda, yadda...) but boil it all down and about the only genuine opinion I can find is that you hate Port Adelaide and are scratching for reasons to sink the boot in. One thing I do I do agree with however, is that the prison bars design and the Magpie emblem should remain
Whatever happens they should not be allowed to fold, they are too important a chunk of SA football history, and I trust the wariness of the other clubs to ensure that the proposed merger does not threaten their own livelihoods.

Mate I don't hate Port Adelaide any more than any other club. What I am stating is that they have contributed signifigantly to their own downfall. Why are we expected to feel sorry for them.

[Mickyj]

I said this to booneys face the other day and I was not having ago.The SANFL screwed the Port Adelaide Fans .When Port went into the AFL the entire club should have gone to the AFL.
There should not have been a port in the SANFL.
And the AFL Port should wear the prison bar jumper except when play ing collingwood to shut eddie up!!

Sorry guys thats just my view.

Reality if that had happened 10 yrs ago even my eagles may have struggled pretty sure we had 500 members back then.

But I stand by my view just one port in the afl wearing the prison bar jumper!!!

[JK]

I said this to booneys face the other day and I was not having ago.The SANFL screwed the Port Adelaide Fans .When Port went into the AFL the entire club should have gone to the AFL.
There should not have been a port in the SANFL.
And the AFL Port should wear the prison bar jumper except when play ing collingwood to shut eddie up!!

Sorry guys thats just my view.

Reality if that had happened 10 yrs ago even my eagles may have struggled pretty sure we had 500 members back then.

But I stand by my view just one port in the afl wearing the prison bar jumper!!!

Hindsight is a beautiful thing mate .. Looking back you could argue the SANFL impeded the Powers progress by retaining their SANFL presence, but times have changed and many clubs in many sports are struggling for the crowds and membership they once thought achievable.

It's always been in the SANFL's interest for the Power and local competition to succeed, so they would have done what they thought was in their best interests at the time, it's a multitude of things down the track that were perhaps the most unforseeable.

[Dog_ger]

2 things we know how to do properly,

1. Muck-up the River Murray

2. Destroy an "icon" of the SANFL in Port Adelaide.

A couple of crimes against humanity.

[mighty_tiger_79]

I said this to booneys face the other day and I was not having ago.The SANFL screwed the Port Adelaide Fans .When Port went into the AFL the entire club should have gone to the AFL.
There should not have been a port in the SANFL.
And the AFL Port should wear the prison bar jumper except when play ing collingwood to shut eddie up!!

Sorry guys thats just my view.

Reality if that had happened 10 yrs ago even my eagles may have struggled pretty sure we had 500 members back then.

But I stand by my view just one port in the afl wearing the prison bar jumper!!!

and you didnt get thrown into the river with cement boots, well done

[Psyber]

I thought Port committed suicide by seeking to enter the AFL when and how they did...
The protest gave birth to the Crows.
Ideally I'd rather neither had happened and a non-VFL run AFL had been born some years later.

If Port remain alive in the SANFL I'd prefer that they kept the traditional emblem and jumper.
I can't see any point otherwise.

[Mickyj]

I said this to booneys face the other day and I was not having ago.The SANFL screwed the Port Adelaide Fans .When Port went into the AFL the entire club should have gone to the AFL.
There should not have been a port in the SANFL.
And the AFL Port should wear the prison bar jumper except when play ing collingwood to shut eddie up!!

Sorry guys thats just my view.

Reality if that had happened 10 yrs ago even my eagles may have struggled pretty sure we had 500 members back then.

But I stand by my view just one port in the afl wearing the prison bar jumper!!!

and you didnt get thrown into the river with cement boots, well done

Actually booney walked on top oops i mean into the water to have a chat .Of course the fish were gone by then.
And contrary to public opinion booneys(being a port boy ) a damn good bloke

[mick]

I agree - when they started their "live the Creed" promotion they re-inforced their belief they are an extension of the old PAMFC with the PAMFC traditions. Hence why I could never support them, even if I want Danny Meyer to do well, old memories die hard.

Big deal. We are Port Adelaide. Thats who we are. The Creed is part of the club, but its something that all people should relate to. Going in hard, 100% and doing anything to win (pity the team didnt apply to this theory). Theres nothing in the creed which states 'only those that live between Largs and Cheltenham need apply'. And again, if peoples alleged "support" is so flaky that at the hint of anything historical coming into it they claim 'thats it my support is gone' then those sort of people arent what we need anyway.

"the creed" died in 1997 PAFC is just another corporate franchise just like the other 15 or 16. True clubs are non existant in the AFL crap, 95% of players play for money not the jumper, that's why Port is ******. Shame about the magpies.