SA vs Victoria

[Battler]

The blokes on here that r supporting the declaration have to remember that Victoria have ROMPED the run chase by a massive 20 overs.
That means that the declaration was far too generous OR that Manou has overestimated the quality of his bowling attack OR he hasn't and that they just bowled and fielded like SSHHIITT.
Anyway u look at it S.A. DOMINATED the game for 3 days and then simply hands the ascendancy back to Vic by the way of a miscalculated declaration.
For the S.A. attack to get wickets, they rely on the oppositons batsmen taking risks BUT when the Vics only have to score @3.3 rpo, they can just bat norMALly without taking risks and score at that rate confortably.

JJ I agree with you overall mate. I think other than George our bowlers are below par and needed some freedom by having another 100 runs to play with. I think we stuffed up by scoring only 109 runs in 28 overs or so when we knew what the declaration scenario was. A run rate of 6-8 per over for a 28 over period was achievable in SA s 2nd dig, particularly with wickets in hand. I will say it is good to have had an interest in this game at day 4 though. Such declaration agreements definitely have their place in the game and while Manou has done Ok in my opinion to date he was out-skippered in this one!

[mal]

SA 6/517 DEC
VI 6/246 DEC
SA 2/109 DEC
KLINGER 29* Thats the 3rd time this season we have declared on him, this guy needs to play in a 5 day test to get out !
COSI 44*

VI need 381 of about 100 0vers
We have absolutely creamed them, and can still get beaten
Bloody annoying

Made this comment b4 the innings started
And yes I am very very very very annoyed
This is a shattering defeat

GEORGE
HABERFIELD
DUVAL
CHRISTIAN
OBREIN

2 bowler attack
3 part time bowlers who bat
None have played for AU

VRS

JEWELL
ROGERS
HODGE
HUSSEY
MCDONALD
WHITE
WADE

7 batsman who have scored SS/PC tons
5 of them have represented AU
WADE might play for AU as well
Against a team which habitually makes a plethora of runs against us


I only posted once during the innings to congratulate cuzzin HODGEY for making his milestone
I was pissed off at this almost gift chase
Make the opposition score at 4 per over not just over 3 is a declaration

Merry Xmas to the Vics

[The Cadet]

JOKE of a declaration.
Very smart of the Victorians to win the toss and send S.A. into bat in a rain affected match knowing that they would receive a gift of a declation to set the game up.
381 off 113 overs @ 3.37 rpo.
Vics are going to CRUISE it in with 20 overs to spare.

When was the last time S.A. won a game after declaring and setting a target?

Redbacks will NEVER be any good until they get a captain thats got some idea about cricket.
FFS, this bloke thinks he can bat at 6.

To be good as a captain you have to be attacking thats what Manou did this game by declaring and try and give his bowlers as much of a chance as victory as possible. You wont get to the sheild final trying to just get first innings points all the time. 381 is a big chase on a last day wicket, dosnt matter how flat the track is. Vics have the best batting lineup in the comp and proved that today in style. SA's bowlers are inexperienced maybe the should of played Bailey if the wicket was so flat, would of been handy today.

[bloods08]

JOKE of a declaration.
Very smart of the Victorians to win the toss and send S.A. into bat in a rain affected match knowing that they would receive a gift of a declation to set the game up.
381 off 113 overs @ 3.37 rpo.
Vics are going to CRUISE it in with 20 overs to spare.

When was the last time S.A. won a game after declaring and setting a target?

Redbacks will NEVER be any good until they get a captain thats got some idea about cricket.
FFS, this bloke thinks he can bat at 6.

To be good as a captain you have to be attacking thats what Manou did this game by declaring and try and give his bowlers as much of a chance as victory as possible. You wont get to the sheild final trying to just get first innings points all the time. 381 is a big chase on a last day wicket, dosnt matter how flat the track is. Vics have the best batting lineup in the comp and proved that today in style. SA's bowlers are inexperienced maybe the should of played Bailey if the wicket was so flat, would of been handy today.

Wouldn't have made much of a difference....... Tait on the other hand.

[catchisthecry]

Vics one of the best TEAMS of all time! Phenomonal record over the last few years. sensational belief. I think it all leads back to their unbelievable chase in Newcastle I think. When they chased down 500+ under Hookesy

[Adelaide Hawk]

You wont get to the sheild final trying to just get first innings points all the time.

And you certainly won't get there if you are prepared to hand 6 points over to your opponent each time either.

Sometimes getting 2 points to 0 in a match is a good result, and Victoria in Melbourne is one such occasion.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Vics one of the best TEAMS of all time! Phenomonal record over the last few years. sensational belief. I think it all leads back to their unbelievable chase in Newcastle I think. When they chased down 500+ under Hookesy

They've won 1 Sheffield Shield in a row. A bit of work to be done before they match New South Wales 9 shields in a row from 1953-54 to 1961-62.

[mal]

Im still gutted and I didnt play
Imagine the players
We have outplayed the opposition for 3 days and LOSE

SA 8/626 combined innings
And lose by 6 wickets

[CoverKing]

You wont get to the sheild final trying to just get first innings points all the time.

And you certainly won't get there if you are prepared to hand 6 points over to your opponent each time either.

Sometimes getting 2 points to 0 in a match is a good result, and Victoria in Melbourne is one such occasion.

Not each time, however handing it over to VIC is not so bad. They are a sure thing of finishing top IMO. Therefore each side is playing for 2nd spot. We had already got the 2 points. We needed the time to bowl there star studded batting line up out. The problem IMO was our 2nd innings batting rate. Too slow!

Fact is, we should be happy with 2 points against the VICS. That is 2 points we would not have expected at seasons start. 2 points more then most sides will get against them for the entire year!

[welly]

Manou must take a bit of flack for this, but who is his adviser???? The coach and how much first class cricket he played?????

[Adelaide Hawk]

Im still gutted and I didnt play
Imagine the players
We have outplayed the opposition for 3 days and LOSE

SA 8/626 combined innings
And lose by 6 wickets

Exactly Mal. The trouble is trying to explain to the one day cricket generation that sometimes a draw is a good result. Yesterday was a disaster for SA cricket and set that team back 2 years. They'll be useless for the rest of the season now.

I'm past caring to he honest, I've seen them do this way too many times over the past years and we just never learn. Putting all your faith in a pedestrain medium fast attack and making a leg spinner 12th man doesn't help my mood either.

Sack Manou, not a good enough cricketer, certainly not a captain.

[locky801]

I'm peevd off with the result as well and the declaration, thought we should have shown more aggression in that 2nd innings and set the Vics 420, probably they still may have got it, looking at that batting lineup it would probably score over 400 against the current Australian attack

[Hondo]

It will eventually be our turn to benefit from a manufactured result like that and I'll take that win with the same reality as I take this loss. It's about chasing the 6 points and manufacturing a 50-50 game out of a game that one team has dominated on paper.

I'm disappointed to lose but not gutted. Just the same, I bet the Victorian players aren't buying into the headlines of "amazing win". They played in a game where 2 sporting declarations set up a run chase after they had been outplayed in the first innings and, in the normal course, a draw was the likely result.

I reckon the SA lads will be equally realistic about it and so should we. I don't think they'll be in a daze for the rest of the season because of it. They'll know they had control of the game when it counted and should take the positives from it. AH is right in that sometimes not letting the opponent get 6 points is a good idea. But v Victoria in Melbourne if there's any chance to grab 6 points then I reckon you go for it. If we had got 6 points v Vic when everyone else loses to them then we would have been very well placed.

Draws are an honourable result but you won't get you into the final batting your way to 2 points per game. It's not necessarially right but that's the current points system. Maybe it could be an extra 2 first innings points when you've clearly done your part in setting up a 6 point scenario out of a game you had dominated on the 1st innings.

[Not Scared]

In my opinion we did declare too early, and it was an error in judgement from Manou. He certainly had to make it tougher for the Vics. Another 50 runs would have made all the difference, but if it had then ended up a draw, would everyone be on here saying we declared too late? Probably yes I reckon.

I also have to say though, that I don't agree with this whole the Vics will finish top and we are playing for second anyway school of thought. Now it is probably correct but before we gave them those 6 points we had to give ourselves a chance of finishing top. When was the last time a team won the Shield from second spot?

[the joker]

come on guys give choc a break, he made a game of it and they batted to well, what would you be saying if he left the Declaration to late and we just missed out on the 4 points. victoria were always going to host the final the other teams are just playing to be in it

[Rik E Boy]

Vics one of the best TEAMS of all time! Phenomonal record over the last few years. sensational belief. I think it all leads back to their unbelievable chase in Newcastle I think. When they chased down 500+ under Hookesy

They've won 1 Sheffield Shield in a row. A bit of work to be done before they match New South Wales 9 shields in a row from 1953-54 to 1961-62.

Thank you very much. I thought the exact same thing but didn't bother replying. At one stage the NSW team had about eight current test players and a couple of former test players as well. The best team of all time in Shield terms would have to be in earlier eras at a time when International cricket was not being played on an annual basis in Australia and the domestic scene was the main course and not just an appertiser.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

The trouble is trying to explain to the one day cricket generation that sometimes a draw is a good result. Yesterday was a disaster for SA cricket and set that team back 2 years. They'll be useless for the rest of the season now.

Don't know about this one Hawk. More credit should go to Victoria in this thread IMO.

regards,

REB

[MAY-Z]

Im still gutted and I didnt play
Imagine the players
We have outplayed the opposition for 3 days and LOSE

SA 8/626 combined innings
And lose by 6 wickets

Exactly Mal. The trouble is trying to explain to the one day cricket generation that sometimes a draw is a good result. Yesterday was a disaster for SA cricket and set that team back 2 years. They'll be useless for the rest of the season now.

I'm past caring to he honest, I've seen them do this way too many times over the past years and we just never learn. Putting all your faith in a pedestrain medium fast attack and making a leg spinner 12th man doesn't help my mood either.

Sack Manou, not a good enough cricketer, certainly not a captain.

absolute crap ah - who cares if we gave 6 points to victoria - they are not a threat to us in this competition they are always going to finish top- to try and finish 2nd it was worth giving them a run chase. taking 2 points from vic is better than what most teams will do.

main problem is our bowling has very little strike power - george is very good but he has little genuine support so we will always struggle to get outright results as we find it extremely difficult to bowl any side out twice

[mal]

VI are a very good team
But they are vulnerable
They have currently run out of fast bowlers
Hodge will piss off soon
WHITE and possibly HUSSEY will be summoned to play shorter forms of cricket for AU

Last season unbeatable
This season have now become beatabale

But courtesy of a gift wrapped declaration by SA they have a good break on the other teams now

[redandblack]

A declaration inviting the other team to make nearly 400 in the 4th innings, after having them 6/246 in the first, is hardly handing victory away.

Vic batted very well, that's cricket.

A declaration well worth making.