Gaelic Football in South Australia

[Flinders O'Neills]

O'Neills only, What is your problem mate?

Neville was posting his opinion, not the clubs.....

I suggest if you do have a problem with Flinders O'Neills come and talk to us, rather than making snide remarks on a forum

[O'Neills Only]

Sorry FON. I don't have a problem with FON GFC - at all.

Clearly, I disagree with some of Neville Bartoss' points of view and I like a good debate. It's nothing personal. Just a bit of banter like everything else here.

[wristwatcher]

ROUND 7 RESULTS

W.I 13.14 -53 def I.A 0.3- 3....Sometimes a scoreboard doesnt tell an accurate story, on this occasion it very much does. The Goats were far too good and finish the minor round on top.

NA FIANNA 3.6 -15 def FLINDERS 2.6 - 12....It would be impossible to review this game without discussing what many are calling the greatest ever save by a goaly at St. Marys in Gaelic Football history. This results sees NA F finish second and i believe Flinders will drop to 4th after they are penalised a point for not providing a ref.

ONKAS 2.12 - 18 def ST.BRENDANS 1.10 - 13.....I enjoyed watching this game as it contained all the ingredients of a good contest. Good football, healthy banter, colourful characters and plenty at stake. The result puts Onkas through to defend their Jim Cup and means we wont see the Saints again until its time to defend Betty.

[Neville Bartoss]

I agree that the refs are not paid enough......I would hope the fact that clubs pay 120 per team per game (240 per match) would allow refs to get a bit more than 30-35 bucks a game. Plus the association fees etc. We may be able to attract refs from other sports (soccer etc) if they pay is brought into line with theirs.

Considering most people in our club live in the north eastern suburbs, it would not be financially viable to come to st marys to ref one game for 30 bucks. I drive a v8 and it would cost me at least 10 bucks in fuel, about one and a half hours travel time, quarter of an hour before and after the game in admin plus the actual game time played....

1.5 hours driving
1 hour refereeing
.5 hour admin

3 hours total time. Take away the 10 bucks in fuel which leaves me with 20 bucks. Divide that into 3 hours = $6.66 an hour!

Yeah Id love to get paid $6.66 an hour to get abused, and they wonder why we cant attract referees! People get paid more tossing burgers!

[Neville Bartoss]

Not bringing up the debate again but still dont see why the clubs should have to provide refs and be penalised if they dont, surely with the amount of cash we fork out every year it would cover this!

No it wouldn't cover it.

And is still cheap compared with many other sports.

Increase Ref's payments to $100 a game and increase amounts for side line and goal officials to $20 a game to bring somewhere into line with other field games in Aussie sports culture and we might then be able to attract people from outside clubs to do it. That would increase cost per game by $143 - split that between the two teams - only an extra 70 odd bucks a game for each team.
Yeah - that should do it. Just get all clubs to agree - FON in favour?

The mantle returns to FON. Dave Flo and Westeren held it for a long while. (At least they cop it sweet).

Mantle? What are you on about?

[wristwatcher]

I agree that the refs are not paid enough......I would hope the fact that clubs pay 120 per team per game (240 per match) would allow refs to get a bit more than 30-35 bucks a game. Plus the association fees etc. We may be able to attract refs from other sports (soccer etc) if they pay is brought into line with theirs.

Considering most people in our club live in the north eastern suburbs, it would not be financially viable to come to st marys to ref one game for 30 bucks. I drive a v8 and it would cost me at least 10 bucks in fuel, about one and a half hours travel time, quarter of an hour before and after the game in admin plus the actual game time played....

1.5 hours driving
1 hour refereeing
.5 hour admin

3 hours total time. Take away the 10 bucks in fuel which leaves me with 20 bucks. Divide that into 3 hours = $6.66 an hour!


Yeah Id love to get paid $6.66 an hour to get abused, and they wonder why we cant attract referees! People get paid more tossing burgers!

My point exactly. This is why i try and get my ref shift rostered b4 my game. HOPEFULLY WITH THE 4 NEW REFS STARTING IN JAN THE WHOLE REF THING WILL NO LONGER BE A PROBLEM

[O'Neills Only]

Not bringing up the debate again but still dont see why the clubs should have to provide refs and be penalised if they dont, surely with the amount of cash we fork out every year it would cover this!

No it wouldn't cover it.

And is still cheap compared with many other sports.

Increase Ref's payments to $100 a game and increase amounts for side line and goal officials to $20 a game to bring somewhere into line with other field games in Aussie sports culture and we might then be able to attract people from outside clubs to do it. That would increase cost per game by $143 - split that between the two teams - only an extra 70 odd bucks a game for each team.
Yeah - that should do it. Just get all clubs to agree - FON in favour?

The mantle returns to FON. Dave Flo and Westeren held it for a long while. (At least they cop it sweet).

Mantle? What are you on about?

Relax Nifty - it's tongue in cheek. Anyone who's been at State committee meetings over the past 4-5 years would know that it refers to the person/team/club making the most noise about the fees and costs of running a State sporting association.

I agree whole heartedly about Ref's payments not being enough. The guys that referee do it for the love of the game. My point is that to pay them more means to charge Clubs, and therefore players, more. Everywhere else in the GAA (worldwide), the Ref's get nothing or not much more. The requirement for Clubs to supply referees is some kind of compromise to ensure costs are kept down, to ensure an ongoing supply, and to ensure there are people within Clubs trained to understand all the rules and to be able to share that knowledge within their Club. With 98% non-Irish membership, it makes a lot of sense to have at least one person in each Club that is abreast of current interpretations and changes to the rules of the game.

[Neville Bartoss]

sorry I was unaware of what you were talking about! I have no problem in increasing the match fees a little if it means the refs get slightly more and it includes proper goal umpires. I dont know if it is a requirement to have 2 goal umpires at each end but I would have thought one would suffice. I think 80 for a field umpire and 30 each to the goal umpires would be appropriate?

[the milky bar kid]

I'm not going to comment on how much an umpire should get paid as it would be based purely on what i'm told by the wristwatch. His Na Fianna match payments are more than enough to cover his travelling time. I will comment about goal umpires as we need 2 as one is always chasing the ball down the hill. We couldn't have a ref having to make a decision as the goal umpire wasn't there.

As for the great TJ's save, it will always remain in my memory. What a save, to quote the great man....
"NOT IN MY HOUSE" T Javor 2009-11-29

[Swooper16]

Caught a bit of the Fins / FON game and its always a bonus when you can get a running in-game commentary from the GK.

Well done to Onka's on being the 4th team to make the finals. Deserved their victory yesterday and i thought the game was played in great spirit....altho some on the Onkas bench i think thought otherwise..!!

Should be a good finals series. Very hard to predict the winner as all 4 teams have at some stage looked to be the team to beat. I will tip West Ireland but not with any great conviction...good luck to all involved.

[Neville Bartoss]

I guess my point is that there is no need to pay a ball boy, i think one goal umpire is enough, it is in the afl!

Will definitely be a good finals series, id have to agree that western Ireland would be the favorites at this stage but I think any of the other 3 teams are more than capable of winning on their day.

On a personal note I didn't play yesterday so I can comment on the game. We were a bit undermanned so Im confident we will put up a better showing this week. Would be good to have another crack at Na Fianna with a full strength side but I guess that all depends on whether we lose a point. I would think that this will be confirmed at tonights meeting?

[wristwatcher]

Caught a bit of the Fins / FON game and its always a bonus when you can get a running in-game commentary from the GK.

Well done to Onka's on being the 4th team to make the finals. Deserved their victory yesterday and i thought the game was played in great spirit....altho some on the Onkas bench i think thought otherwise..!!

Should be a good finals series. Very hard to predict the winner as all 4 teams have at some stage looked to be the team to beat. I will tip West Ireland but not with any great conviction...good luck to all involved.

Couldnt agree more with all 3 of these points. It was good to see that no-one... "got a broken leg during the 3rd game". That strange comment even managed to fire up the mild mannered Seany Dunne.

[schimma]

Caught a bit of the Fins / FON game and its always a bonus when you can get a running in-game commentary from the GK.

Well done to Onka's on being the 4th team to make the finals. Deserved their victory yesterday and i thought the game was played in great spirit....altho some on the Onkas bench i think thought otherwise..!!

Should be a good finals series. Very hard to predict the winner as all 4 teams have at some stage looked to be the team to beat. I will tip West Ireland but not with any great conviction...good luck to all involved.

Couldnt agree more with all 3 of these points. It was good to see that no-one... "got a broken leg during the 3rd game". That strange comment even managed to fire up the mild mannered Seany Dunne.

have to agree watching and listening to the onkas water boy, he gets fired up. Watched all 3 games yesterday, Western were just to good, irish a long way to go, Na Fiana were just to good, basically set the game up in the first half, FON were chasing all game, Very lucky save by TJ, did notice he let 2 under the bar, And it was the same case for onkas vs Taints. Onkas jumped out taints had there chances but missed a few unders and did not get the score board pressure on onkas.

as for this week what are the games. i do no Western ireland have lost a point even thou we provided an umpire last year (tom Foxe) and tommy may be back after xmas and James gags has started doing 7 a side.


personaly would like to see the likes of Matty Hill and Gav Orielly take up the refs job again. both were very good.

[wristwatcher]

Could someone who attended tonights commitee mtg pls put the official draw for this weekends finals fixture on this site. The -1 point situation will change the top 4 and official confirmation would be good. Also any info on the post Xmas draw eg.start dates would be very much appreciated ASAP

[barossared]

This from the Gaelic Footy Facebook page, posted by Desley from the State committee after tonight's meeting:

***SEMI FINAL DRAW SUNDAY 6TH DECEMBER***
2:30PM IRISH BLUES VS IRISH ROVERS (WOMENS)
3:45PM WESTERN IRELAND VS FLINDERS ONEILLS (MENS)
5:00PM ONKAS VS WESTERN IRELAND (WOMENS)
6:15PM ONKAS VS NA FIANNA (MENS)

[wristwatcher]

SEMI FINAL TIPS

1 V 4 @ 3.45 sunday
W.I v FLINDERS....Goats by 1-5. Should be a cracker of a game. Flinders were good last week in their 3 point loss (thanks to that amazing save) and have the likes of Dumovic,Townsend,Elliot,Costales+The Love child to squeeze into the squad. Goats have not lost yet this year (1 draw) and won the round 2 encounter by 6-10ish. The Goats will be super keen to ensure that premature elimination doesnt rear its ugly head for the 3rd time in a row.

2 V 3 @ 6.15 sunday
NA FIANNA v ONKAS....Playing in this game prevents me from saying to much about it. It can be said that there is a healthy rivalry and both teams will be aware of each others strengths and weaknesses. Last years Farnham Cup Champs Onkas will be desperate to win to gain the oppurtunity to defend their crown but im predicting a MotorBoat inspired Na Fianna reversing the round 2 result of Onkas by a point and doing enough to get the chocolates by 1-5.

[Major Gun]

Wristwatcher,

As you have a conflict of interest, I will make the prediction on game 2 for you...

Onkas by 10-15. Na Fianna has no goalkeeper and not enough defenders to cope with the Major Guns Onkas can put up forward. A lot of pressure on both coaches to get the match ups right. Advantage Lawlor in this regard I know but Onkas too strong across the park.

Women's predictions Mr Watch??

[wristwatcher]

Wristwatcher,

As you have a conflict of interest, I will make the prediction on game 2 for you...

Onkas by 10-15. Na Fianna has no goalkeeper and not enough defenders to cope with the Major Guns Onkas can put up forward. A lot of pressure on both coaches to get the match ups right. Advantage Lawlor in this regard I know but Onkas too strong across the park.

Women's predictions Mr Watch??

"10-15.No GK.Not enough defenders". Major Gun,your entitled to an opinion,its just a shame its such a mis-informed one. Anyway come 7.30 sunday we will see what you think of NF,s GK,Defence and ability to stay in any contest.To many proud players at Na F to allow this game to blow out. Onkas are a quality side and could concievably win the game but not by that much i wouldnt think.

I havent watched too much Womens footy this year to be honest....I will stick with the regular GF pairing of Irish Blues to face Onkas.
Irish Blues v Irish Rovers....Irish Blues 1-5 points. Of the little bit i have seen Jess Openshaw has carried on her sublime form at the nationals for Irish Rovers and is the lady to stop in the first semi. The Blues however have too many match winners around the park and should be competing for the Tom Finn Cup next Sunday.
Onkas v West Ireland....Onkas by 6-10 points. I have managed to catch a couple of Onkas games and they look solid all over the park. Should be an interesting coaching match up between Onkas Wade "Sexy" Saunders and Jason "New Revolution" Fay. The Fay man was confident pre season his West Ireland goat girls would gel well but i think he will find it tough to mastermind a win over a strong and settled Onkas unit.

[Major Gun]

I can see Na Fianna folding, particularly if they fall behind early. Too much youth/inexperience in their side. Na Fianna will be a strong contender for the Hannigan Cup, particularly if they get a decent Goalkeeper. That said I think the comp is very even. Sorry Wristy, it's not ilinformed, it's just informed differently to you, and to be honest that makes me very comfortable.

As for the girls. you are spot on. Blues by 10+. Onkas by the same. Western and Rovers relying on 2 or 3 good players each and fall away very, very quickly after that.

Refereeing will be a factor in all of these games too. Especially the Onkas/Na F game. If it is anything like the W.I v Na F game I saw recently we might see a number of red cards.

Do we know the Refs for the weekends games?

[the milky bar kid]

Ok i'm all for opinions, but Na Fianna having no defence? I think that a defence with Delvins, Gav O'Rielly, Bryant & one of either Matt Hill or Jnr is well, pretty solid since all of them have played state footy. The goal keeper will be something that we can work on for Betty.
I think we're a good chance against Onka's as we match up pretty well against them. No Janetski either is a blow. Will be a great game either way.

Anto refed the WI v Na Fi game, he'll be playing. I guess that only leaves Adrian?