Evolution V Religion

[nuggety goodness]

who cares SS. you keep out of this ok, or i will stitch you up next weekend, like you have never been stitched up before in your life. That's a promise too.

i reckon we would know eachother BC, where are you from? and did you play Indy's at all?

[Bum Crack]

who cares SS. you keep out of this ok, or i will stitch you up next weekend, like you have never been stitched up before in your life. That's a promise too.

i reckon we would know eachother BC, where are you from? and did you play Indy's at all?

Played one year at Cobby after having a year off at Berri. Reno.

[Dogwatcher]

how the heck could that be a mix of those two movies?!? very interesting it would make you think like that.

Chasing Amy is about getting the girl you can't and the direction that it takes you.
Dogma is a study, in its own way, of religion.

Kevin Smith over the years has had his own troubles with religion and how he feels about it.
Hence why Dogma was written and released. At the time of its release it caused a lot of controversy but many of the more liberal members of the Catholic Church took a look at it and thought it had some valid points to make about their church.

That's why I thought of those movies after reading about you chasing a girl and then working your way through why religion is important to you.

If you don't mind me asking NG, what church are you involved with?

[Dogwatcher]

who cares SS. you keep out of this ok, or i will stitch you up next weekend, like you have never been stitched up before in your life. That's a promise too.

i reckon we would know eachother BC, where are you from? and did you play Indy's at all?

Played one year at Cobby after having a year off at Berri. Reno.

But not the Reno you'd be thinking of NG.

[Bum Crack]

who cares SS. you keep out of this ok, or i will stitch you up next weekend, like you have never been stitched up before in your life. That's a promise too.

i reckon we would know eachother BC, where are you from? and did you play Indy's at all?

Played one year at Cobby after having a year off at Berri. Reno.

But not the Reno you'd be thinking of NG.

I'm the real Reno. The other one is mini Reno

[Pseudo]

That's not what the thread is about though BC.

Nor is the thread directly about NG's Personal Salvation (tm).

Back on track:

NG, at which point of the conversion from Hedonistic Heathen to Light-Following Christian did you abandon more than a century of empirical wisdom forming the cornerstone of modern life sciences in favour of a literal interpretation of Genesis?

[nuggety goodness]

how the heck could that be a mix of those two movies?!? very interesting it would make you think like that.

Chasing Amy is about getting the girl you can't and the direction that it takes you.
Dogma is a study, in its own way, of religion.

Kevin Smith over the years has had his own troubles with religion and how he feels about it.
Hence why Dogma was written and released. At the time of its release it caused a lot of controversy but many of the more liberal members of the Catholic Church took a look at it and thought it had some valid points to make about their church.

That's why I thought of those movies after reading about you chasing a girl and then working your way through why religion is important to you.

If you don't mind me asking NG, what church are you involved with?

it's called the Potters House. a Pentecostal Christian Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potter%27s ... Fellowship

this is a basic overview

[nuggety goodness]

That's not what the thread is about though BC.

Nor is the thread directly about NG's Personal Salvation (tm).

Back on track:

NG, at which point of the conversion from Hedonistic Heathen to Light-Following Christian did you abandon more than a century of empirical wisdom forming the cornerstone of modern life sciences in favour of a literal interpretation of Genesis?

big words to try and confuse an unlearned bible basher...

as i stated before i had always had doubts about Evolution (regarding the beggining of the world and how we have 'evolved' over millions of years from single celled algae to the complex human being that we are today). you cannot get life from non-life. you cannot create life.

how does a tree grow? don't tell that it germinates, tell me where the life comes from for it to germinate...

[Pseudo]

At the time of its release (Dogma) caused a lot of controversy but many of the more liberal members of the Catholic Church took a look at it and thought it had some valid points to make about their church.

What a shame the micks didn't take the same attitude to flicks like Hail Mary and The Last Temptation Of Christ. I can recall so-called Christians picketing the old cinema on Hindley St (My Fair Lady? Must've disappeared two decades ago) because it was showing Hail Mary, cheerfully swinging at anyone who tried to break their ranks. So much for 'turning the other cheek'. I can recall the spokesdroid at my parish beseeching the congregation not to see the Last Temptation because it was evil and blasphemous. Never mind that neither he nor the priest had actually seen it. If they HAD seen the film, and watched it with an open mind, they'd have found that Last Temptation is possibly the most pro-religious, pro-Jesus film ever made. But why approach life with an open mind when one can stay warm and snug in the blanket of religious ignorance?

[am Bays]

so a quoestion for the non-believers, what is gonna happen when you die? everyone believes something and we all know that there is more to life than just being here on earth. everyone is intrigued with the afterlife and all that.

what's gonna happen? what are you hoping for?

Anyone who thinks that is in for a rude shock.

I like everyone else on this planet is either going to be burnt to a chrisp or an assortment of arthopods and going to gorge themselves on me.

End of story

[nuggety goodness]

so a quoestion for the non-believers, what is gonna happen when you die? everyone believes something and we all know that there is more to life than just being here on earth. everyone is intrigued with the afterlife and all that.

what's gonna happen? what are you hoping for?

Anyone who thinks that is in for a rude shock.

I like everyone else on this planet is either going to be burnt to a chrisp or an assortment of arthopods and going to gorge themselves on me.

End of story

what makes you say that with such authority Bays? i'm not trying to be antagonistic, just getting to the crux of why you think that?

[Dogwatcher]

At the time of its release (Dogma) caused a lot of controversy but many of the more liberal members of the Catholic Church took a look at it and thought it had some valid points to make about their church.

What a shame the micks didn't take the same attitude to flicks like Hail Mary and The Last Temptation Of Christ. I can recall so-called Christians picketing the old cinema on Hindley St (My Fair Lady? Must've disappeared two decades ago) because it was showing Hail Mary, cheerfully swinging at anyone who tried to break their ranks. So much for 'turning the other cheek'. I can recall the spokesdroid at my parish beseeching the congregation not to see the Last Temptation because it was evil and blasphemous. Never mind that neither he nor the priest had actually seen it. If they HAD seen the film, and watched it with an open mind, they'd have found that Last Temptation is possibly the most pro-religious, pro-Jesus film ever made. But why approach life with an open mind when one can stay warm and snug in the blanket of religious ignorance?

Psuedo, there were just as many in the Catholic Church who were angry about Dogma - at the time though, they are the ones who got all the publicity.

[gossipgirl]

I believe Evolution won 1 - 0 over Religion. There will be a rematch afetr 2012

[nuggety goodness]

I believe Evolution won 1 - 0 over Religion. There will be a rematch afetr 2012

how did you come to that conclusion?

[Zelezny Chucks]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

After reading that, I feel like I'm reading a mixed treatment of Chasing Amy and Dogma.

Having said that, good on you for having your convictions NG. I'm just not sure that I could ever share them.

how the heck could that be a mix of those two movies?!? very interesting it would make you think like that.

you know, the convictions took time to grow, you know me and i was very loose through school and at footy. it's not something you ake up one day and go, 'i'm not gonna have sex again til i'm married' or' i'm gonna stop drinking and smoking weed today'

the more i realise what God has done for me, the more i want to do the right thing by Him...

The part I don't get is that if God has done this for you why was it necessary to go to church and be surrounded by these people before you "saw" God?? Surely a greater power wouldn't require the recruitment of others to spread it's word?

I have no doubt that a lot of what is written in the bible happened but I have also played chinese whispers and realise things don't always start with the same interpretation as they end up.

[nuggety goodness]

The part I don't get is that if God has done this for you why was it necessary to go to church and be surrounded by these people before you "saw" God?? Surely a greater power wouldn't require the recruitment of others to spread it's word?

I have no doubt that a lot of what is written in the bible happened but I have also played chinese whispers and realise things don't always start with the same interpretation as they end up.

God is going to get your attention in any way He can, you don't have to go to church to experience Him, but you do have to ask Him in. it is a free choice, one that He has given us. God will not force Himself upon anyone as that detracts from our choice and we would end up resenting Him for it later. it'd be obligatory then... God loves us but He can't make us love Him...

New Testament wise the Gospels depict the same time from 4 different people's perspective (give or take a little bit) and they all link to eachother, telling the same stories with different details (the saemas if you and me saw something happen, we would remember different parts) then there is the Acts of the Apostles, talks about the early church and gives a model for what the church should be. Romans through to Hebrews are letters to the Churches written by Paul, then letters from James, Peter, John and Jude and the book of Revelations about what is to come. these are translated not interpreted from the original texts

[Wedgie]

God's already helped you find capital letters in one topic alone, I'm impressed!

[Zelezny Chucks]

And you believe that there is in no way any chance of creative editing?

The people collating this book as the bible would not have released it if it had conflicting stories.

Do you think we will hear all versions of the current Rann scandal? no, we will only receive the stories from both sides that support their cases!

As for the accepting god part why is it that some of the most devout christians insist on preaching to people who show no interest in their beliefs?

[nuggety goodness]

God's already helped you find capital letters in one topic alone, I'm impressed!

haha, it's a respect thing...

[silicone skyline]

As for the accepting god part why is it that some of the most devout christians insist on preaching to people who show no interest in their beliefs?

Simple, the Bible instructs them to do so.