Evolution V Religion

[Pseudo]

I tried to read the Book of Mormon, but its clunkiness defeated me.

I too once tried to read the book of Mormon, having been presented my very own copy by a couple of missionaries one day, after I engaged them in conversation for half an hour - I used to love Mormons, I'd invite them in and offer them beer and coffee and coke and all the other things they weren't allowed to touch. I reckon I lasted ten minutes. A duller religious text was never written.

[dedja]

I tried to read the Book of Mormon, but its clunkiness defeated me.

I too once tried to read the book of Mormon, having been presented my very own copy by a couple of missionaries one day, after I engaged them in conversation for half an hour - I used to love Mormons, I'd invite them in and offer them beer and coffee and coke and all the other things they weren't allowed to touch. I reckon I lasted ten minutes. A duller religious text was never written.

Not cheesecake by any chance?

[SABRE]

I tried to read the Book of Mormon, but its clunkiness defeated me.

I too once tried to read the book of Mormon, having been presented my very own copy by a couple of missionaries one day, after I engaged them in conversation for half an hour - I used to love Mormons, I'd invite them in and offer them beer and coffee and coke and all the other things they weren't allowed to touch. I reckon I lasted ten minutes. A duller religious text was never written.

Not cheesecake by any chance?

Or beefcake ?

[nuggety goodness]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

[nuggety goodness]

i haven't read them Pseudo so tell me, do they unlock the mysteries ofthe faith? you must be a little curious to have read them...

Never read them, have never really been aware of their existence. I laboured under the yoke of catholicism for 22 years and was exposed to most of the bible, but had never heard of this "Apocrypha" until recent years. Psyber "seems to be very intelligent" in this case

my bad... two seemingly intelligent people on a forum, amazing...

[Il Duce]

Well the deuterocanonicals or apocrypha books of the bible are in the Catholic bible only (if wrong correct) and they are the books of Tobit, Judith etc. They have always been in the bible that I own.

Just to clear things up I may be a catholic but I will say I'm fairly open minded to other religions and other peoples belifes, I have also read all the major religious text. I also have to say the book of morman in an "intresting" read and I wondered how I ended up with the religion award from years 7-12.

[Bum Crack]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

Where in the Riverland are you from?

[AFLflyer]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life
was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

fair enough nuggety everyone is free to make their own decisions. Another question - how do strong believing christians like you, explain other religions, hindu's, bushists, muslims etc etc. clearly there are plenty other religions oth there and you guys are just a number ! are they wrong and your right?

[nuggety goodness]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

Where in the Riverland are you from?

Moorook BC, that narrows it down considerably... DW knows who i am...

[silicone skyline]

Yes, I think this is the case AFL Flyer.

Although many religions are based on similar standards and morals, they do differ on different beliefs and generally, most religions think the others are wrong. Because if the others aren't wrong, it would make their religion wrong.

[Bum Crack]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

Where in the Riverland are you from?

Moorook BC, that narrows it down considerably... DW knows who i am...

I still can't come to terms with the fact that there is actually a Western Bulldogs supporter out there who is such a full on churchie. I thought you supporters were all murderers and rapists?????

[silicone skyline]

That was the 80s BC.

[Bum Crack]

That was the 80s BC.

Have you been to a Western Bulldogs game lately???

[silicone skyline]

That was the 80s BC.

Have you been to a Western Bulldogs game lately???

Have you been to a Collingwood game lately?

[nuggety goodness]

so nuggety..........and the converted.

when did you see the light ? (experience your 2nd birth) ? your pretty full on with this stuff, seems like it must consume and run your life? how can you live, two totally different lives in one short lifetime, just doesnt make sense to me!

well i was 18 and in uni after moving from the riverland, i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks and i decided to stick around and listen to wht the guys had to say, i wasn't totally convinced but did have some kind of belief that there was a god, i just had no idea about the rest. one day i was talkin to a few of the guys and they challenged me about what the reason for my life was? what is the point? the fulfilment i had in life
was temporary, every good thing, every pleasure in my life was circumstancial and only temporary. i had a good life, no problems, plenty of friends, good family, was studying and i was a nice person. it made me think but nothing changed. i decided that i would give God a go because the people at the Church seemed to always be happy and even through problems could always get through without a big dummy spit or whatever.

it was only when i decided to put my faith in God and surrender myself that i experienced Him. the way i describe it is like this; i have been skydiving right, the feeling is unbelievable, just amazing freefalling etc. if you haven't experienced a skydive you will never appreciate it to the full extent. you may know about what the feeling is like and you may have been told and can try to imagine it, but until you have actually taken the leap yourself you will never truly comprehend it. Experiencing God is just the same, i can tell you about it for ever and you will never truly grasp it until you take that leap of faith. and that leap is when you let go of everything else and surrender yourself to Him. you can't skydive in the plane and you can't experience God if you refuse to jump...

fair enough nuggety everyone is free to make their own decisions. Another question - how do strong believing christians like you, explain other religions, hindu's, bushists, muslims etc etc. clearly there are plenty other religions oth there and you guys are just a number ! are they wrong and your right?

well according to the bible yes. the thing is that all these other religions have links and ties back to the bible but there are changes to key doctrines and fundamental issues and that's what makes them different.

the Muslims believe that Mohammed was a new and the last prophet and that Jesus was just a prophet, they believe that Mohammed fulfils scripture from the bible however there are many contradictions with their core beliefs

the mormons have their own book as do the JW's which are based on the bible again but again have some different concepts and contrdict what the bible says.

buddhism is more a way of living, it had nothing to do with God, just understanding the natural mind

ultimately every other religion teaches that salvation is dependant on what we do to make ourselves worthy, we have to pray, we have to sacrifice, we have to do everything and even then there is no guarantee. the bible teaches that salvation is guaranteed because of what Jesus did for us. God accepts us and loves us as we are, and he loves everyone. i hate it when people say God hates fags and all that cos He doesn't, he hates the sin that we all commit because it separates us from Him.

[nuggety goodness]

I still can't come to terms with the fact that there is actually a Western Bulldogs supporter out there who is such a full on churchie. I thought you supporters were all murderers and rapists?????

you'd be surprised, if you've ever been to Whitten oval then you would notice a big warehouse right next to the car park, that is one of our churches (the Potters House) and there are many Western Bulldogs supporters in there too!

[Choccies]

I'm now going to call you 'Nuggety GODness' from now on.

[Bum Crack]

I'm now going to call you 'Nuggety GODness' from now on.

I'm going to call him Jimmy Swaggart

[nuggety goodness]

I'm now going to call you 'Nuggety GODness' from now on.

I'm going to call him Jimmy Swaggart

not even close!!! that's a bit insultng actually...

[Pseudo]

... i was chasing skirt and was travelling quite well on that front up until i met this girl who said she was a Christian and she wouldn't sleep with me because of it. my first thought was 'sure, we'll see about that' then as time went by the challenge grew and i kept at it thinkin she would give in at some stage. i would go to church with her just to spend time with her afterwards and sat through probably 2 months of preaching. when i first went i thought they were all crazy and didn't really listen too much to the preaching and wasn't affected by it. i had no religious upbringing so it was all new to me.

she left to go to Perth with her folks ...

So you never tapped her then? Come on man, don't leave out the most important detail!