EPL Discussion Thread Season 2009/2010

[RoosterMarty]

well thats now 2 times LIverpool have blatantly cheated to get a result against birmingham, bastards

Watch out pal you can't say that on this forum, there are Liverpool fans present and they may take offence!

Cracking goal by Jerome though, his shot was magnificent but the thing I liked about the goal was his control.. fantastic under pressure.

[Bully]

god i hate international breaks. we always get injurys that keep players out for weeks after them and we play like shit aswell in the following game. happens everytime

[MST]

Oh that is a laugh.

How often do I see Liverpool fans post crap about United getting all the ref decisions yet you get plenty yourselves but it is fine for you Pool supporters to have a whinge innit!

It was tough for the ref I agree, from his angle it would have looked like a penalty but until the various FAs deal out harsh penalties for diving it will always be a problem in this game.

Follows Manchester United and Cardiff City and now wants to talk like he was born in the east end of London. Make your mind up Marty.......

[johntheclaret]

Lets be honest here fella's all the top sides get the rub
In fact I would go as far to say the top 6 or 7 get the decisions against the lower sides

As for cheating, there is cheating and there is cheating IMO
Man U use psychology or at least fergie does but drogba just blatantly cheats

[JK]

Lets be honest here fella's all the top sides get the rub
In fact I would go as far to say the top 6 or 7 get the decisions against the lower sides

As for cheating, there is cheating and there is cheating IMO
Man U use psychology or at least fergie does but drogba just blatantly cheats

Yeah I don't disagree with that Johnnyboy, in fact I recently posted similarly after the Ireland v France game this morning.

But I guess those top sides (and I can think of a couple excluding the Beach Ball off the top of my head) still cop a share (whether it's a fair share is another matter) of unreasonable or missed calls.

Im not sure what the answer is ... Id imagine it's been happening for over a century it's just that the teams at the top have changed throughout the years?

[Bully]

cheating happens in all codes of football you will never stop it, we dont see it alot in AFL or rugby as against soccer/football because of what the AFL?rugby leagues do to clubs that continually win i.e. geelong and brisbane in recent years as the AFL cuts funds etc to break up champion teams so its not always the same sides winning everything.

we only notice it more because its the same top 4 or 5 teams year in year out. IMO tho all clubs and teams get there fair share of decisions there way

[devilsadvocate]

cheating happens in all codes of football you will never stop it, we dont see it alot in AFL or rugby as against soccer/football because of what the AFL?rugby leagues do to clubs that continually win i.e. geelong and brisbane in recent years as the AFL cuts funds etc to break up champion teams so its not always the same sides winning everything.

we only notice it more because its the same top 4 or 5 teams year in year out. IMO tho all clubs and teams get there fair share of decisions there way

Collingwood's draw?
Essendon's draw?

[smithy]

Lets be honest here fella's all the top sides get the rub
In fact I would go as far to say the top 6 or 7 get the decisions against the lower sides

As for cheating, there is cheating and there is cheating IMO
Man U use psychology or at least fergie does but drogba just blatantly cheats

Yeah I don't disagree with that Johnnyboy, in fact I recently posted similarly after the Ireland v France game this morning.

But I guess those top sides (and I can think of a couple excluding the Beach Ball off the top of my head) still cop a share (whether it's a fair share is another matter) of unreasonable or missed calls.

Im not sure what the answer is ... Id imagine it's been happening for over a century it's just that the teams at the top have changed throughout the years?

Conspiracy theorists are already getting worked into a lather over France's controversial winner against Ireland last night, during the build-up of which, Thierry Henry blatantly handled the ball.

This followed FIFA's decision to seed the draw for the qualifiers, thus ensuring the 'bigger teams' left in would face supposedly inferior opposition (although Russia still managed to cock it up against Slovenia).

One such ranting theorist, a Mr R Keane of north London, said: "They're all probably clapping hands, Platini sitting up there on the phone to Sepp Blatter, probably texting each other, delighted with the result. Germany had a chance of being in the (play-offs) as well. With two massive countries there's no way in a million years is there going to be fair draw."
10) Coventry 2-2 Bristol City, First Division, May 1977
With both sides in desperate relegation trouble on the last day of the season, the match at Highfield Road kicked off 15 minutes late – allegedly to let in fans held up by traffic. Towards the climax of the second half, as both teams tried to improve on the 2-2 scoreline, news came through that Sunderland had been beaten by Everton. Therefore both sides would stay up if their score remained the same. Officials at Highfield Road immediately announced the result over the Tannoy system and on the scoreboard, so both sets of players played out the remaining minutes without attempting to score. The point was enough to keep both teams in the top-flight and send Sunderland down.

9) Juventus 3-1 Derby, European Cup semi-final, April 1973
Derby boss Brian Clough ended this controversial clash by branding the Italians "cheating bastards." His anger stemmed from the fact that both Roy McFarland and Archie Gemmill were booked, ruling them out of the return leg, and Juventus’ substitute Helmut Haller was seen deep in conversation with his fellow countryman, German referee Gerhard Shulenburg, both before the game and at half-time fuelling suspicions that he had been bribed. Later revelations that the referee for the second leg, Portuguese Francisco Lobo, was approached by a man named Dezso Solti, who had offered Lobo inducements to favour Juventus, did little to dispel the doubts about the first match.

Inter Milan 3-0 Liverpool, European Cup semi-final, April 1965
A highly contentious defeat that robbed Liverpool of their first chance of European glory. Having won the first leg at Anfield 3-1, the Reds were favourites to go through but they were beaten 3-0 in front of 90,000 fans in the San Siro. Ian St John saw one legitimate goal chalked off, while Spanish referee Jose Maria Oritz de Mendibil allowed two controversial Inter goals to stand. One Liverpool director responded by claiming that "they are never going to let a British team win the European Cup."

7) Leeds 0-2 Bayern Munich, European Cup final, May 1975
One of the most tumultuous periods in Leeds' chequered history ended in controversial fashion in Paris. Having picked up the shattered pieces of Brian Clough's inglorious reign at Elland Road, Jimmy Armfield steered the side to the European Cup final, but their dreams of glory were dashed amid a refereeing cheat storm. The Germans won 2-0 on the night, but not before ref Michel Kitabdjian had ruled out Peter Lorimer's valid goal and denied Leeds two clear-cut penalties.

6) Newcastle 3-0 Liverpool, First Division, November 1993
An Andy Cole hat-trick in a comfortable win for Newcastle seemed to sum up the whole story of this match. A year later though, when Liverpool keeper Bruce Grobbelaar was accused of match fixing to benefit a betting syndicate, his part - or lack of it - in the striker's treble came under much closer scrutiny. Grobbelaar pleaded not guilty to the charges and, after two successive trials in which the jury could not agree on a verdict, he and his two co-defendants were eventually cleared in November 1997.

5) Anderlecht 3-0 Nottingham Forest, UEFA Cup semi-final, April 1984
Not exactly a conspiracy theory in this case, more a proven case of bribery. Brian Clough's Forest side had won the first leg at the City Ground 2-0 and looked nailed on to reach the final, only to go down 3-0 in the return match in Belgium, having seen what appeared to be a perfectly good goal ruled out. Anderlecht later admitted they had paid Spanish official Emilio Guruceta Muro £20,000 as "a loan" before the game.

4) World Cup finals build-up, May 1970
Just weeks before England were due to begin the defence of the World Cup in Mexico, captain Bobby Moore fell foul of the law during a pre-tournament trip to Colombia. The West Ham star was arrested in Bogota and charged with stealing an emerald bracelet from a hotel shop. All charges were later dropped and files released two years later suggest the incident was a deliberate sting on the part of the Colombian secret services.

3) England 2-3 West Germany, World Cup quarter-final, Mexico 1970
Disaster struck on the eve of England's last eight clash against West Germany in Mexico in 1970 when first choice goalkeeper Gordon Banks was laid low by food poisoning. The conspiracy theorists were convinced Banksie had been 'nobbled' by someone in the team hotel - a view he later refuted - but the facts were he missed the match, his replacement Peter Bonetti had a shocker and England crashed out.

2) England 2-0 Scotland, European Championship finals, 1996
Leading 1-0 and seemingly coasting to victory, England could have been undone after conceding a penalty 14 minutes from time when Tony Adams felled Gordon Durie. Up stepped Gary McAllister, only to recoil in horror when David Seaman saved his spot-kick. TV replays later revealed a small movement of the ball just before the Scot struck it - and mentalist Uri Geller subsequently claimed he had been responsible for the deviation by willing the ball to move with his mind.

1) West Ham 2-1 Tottenham, Premier League, May 2006
In an incident that became known as 'Lasagna-gate', six Spurs' stars, including goalkeeper Paul Robinson and midfield ace Michael Carrick, ended up with dicky tummies after their pre-match meal at the Marriott Hotel in London's Docklands. Food samples were taken from the kitchen, but any suggestion of deliberate tampering proved unfounded. Spurs lost the following afternoon at Upton Park, allowing arch-rivals Arsenal to pip them for the fourth and final Champions League place.

[devilsadvocate]

1) West Ham 2-1 Tottenham, Premier League, May 2006
In an incident that became known as 'Lasagna-gate', six Spurs' stars, including goalkeeper Paul Robinson and midfield ace Michael Carrick, ended up with dicky tummies after their pre-match meal at the Marriott Hotel in London's Docklands. Food samples were taken from the kitchen, but any suggestion of deliberate tampering proved unfounded. Spurs lost the following afternoon at Upton Park, allowing arch-rivals Arsenal to pip them for the fourth and final Champions League place.

thanks for the reminder

[Bully]

1) West Ham 2-1 Tottenham, Premier League, May 2006
In an incident that became known as 'Lasagna-gate', six Spurs' stars, including goalkeeper Paul Robinson and midfield ace Michael Carrick, ended up with dicky tummies after their pre-match meal at the Marriott Hotel in London's Docklands. Food samples were taken from the kitchen, but any suggestion of deliberate tampering proved unfounded. Spurs lost the following afternoon at Upton Park, allowing arch-rivals Arsenal to pip them for the fourth and final Champions League place.

thanks for the reminder

[mad harry]

Hey guys am going to England over christmas and I'm going to see a Premier league match at St Andrews with Birmingham taking on Man U. Any one here know what the Birmingham fans are like?

[devilsadvocate]

Hey guys am going to England over christmas and I'm going to see a Premier league match at St Andrews with Birmingham taking on Man U. Any one here know what the Birmingham fans are like?

They're OK. Which end will you be sitting in? My only advice is to support only the team whose fans you will be sitting with.

if you're in with the Brummy fans, you won't be able to understand a word they say I bet! Crazy accent!

If you're in with the Man U fans, don't forget to take some relish to have with your cucumber and prawn sandwiches at half time.

Enjoy!

[Dirko]

Wigan players, are refunding the ticket costs for their fans that went to that 9-1 game LOL....

[Bully]

Wigan players, are refunding the ticket costs for their fans that went to that 9-1 game LOL....

knew that might happen. was awful watching wigan play.

[devilsadvocate]

knew that might happen. was awful watching wigan play.

You 'knew' it 'might' happen? Hahahahaha, that's brilliant. That cracked me right up.

[Bully]

was odvious that would happen

[Bully]

was odvious that would happen

[Bully]

delap for stoke. How in the hell does this guy get soooooo much time to prepare for his throw ins?? he drys the ball with a towel or his shirt ( i thought FIFA made a rule that states no player can do this) then he takes an average of 30 seconds every time he throws the ball back in?? how is this fair when the opposite team gets hurried along when its there turn to throw it in?

[Bully]

Hey guys am going to England over christmas and I'm going to see a Premier league match at St Andrews with Birmingham taking on Man U. Any one here know what the Birmingham fans are like?

They're OK. Which end will you be sitting in? My only advice is to support only the team whose fans you will be sitting with.

if you're in with the Brummy fans, you won't be able to understand a word they say I bet! Crazy accent!

If you're in with the Man U fans, don't forget to take some relish to have with your cucumber and prawn sandwiches at half time.

Enjoy!

and dont forget to book the late bus from the ground after the match, because if man utd are behind in injury time then the ref will do the usual and add more time thats allowed so they can equalise/win the game. so hence you will miss the bus if you book the early bus

[fish]

Latest odds for the 2009/10 Premiership:

CHELSEA 7/10
MANCHESTER UNITED 5/2
ARSENAL 11/2
LIVERPOOL 33/1
MANCHESTER CITY 33/1
TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR 66/1
ASTON VILLA 250/1
EVERTON 1000/1
BLACKBURN ROVERS 2000/1
FULHAM 2000/1
STOKE 2000/1
SUNDERLAND 2000/1
WEST HAM UNITED 2000/1
WIGAN ATHLETIC 2000/1
BIRMINGHAM 2500/1
BOLTON WANDERERS 2500/1
BURNLEY 2500/1
HULL CITY 2500/1
PORTSMOUTH 2500/1
WOLVERHAMPTON 2500/1

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