Things that give you the sh1ts

[Booney]

So you didn't always believe in God nuggety? Just changed your mind one day, or shall we say you "evolved" into a Christian over time?

[shoe boy]

try to mate a dog and a cat, try to mate with a monkey (don't really, just showing my point) Evolution teaches that things have changed their genetic make up, which is impossible, artists impressions are made up from their imagination after seeing the bottom jaw bone from an animal that has been buried for 'millions of years'

beleiving there is a God and that we have been manufactured so intricately makes so much more sense to me and is IMO much easier to swallow...[/quote]

You are taking the piss???? surley

[silicone skyline]

I don't understand why several of you are mocking a man because he believes in a god.

Yet you'll all go home and celebrate Christmas next month.

[silicone skyline]

Perhaps you evolutionists are not celebrating Christmas this year, and celebrating your own beliefs by not taking part in something that clearly did not happen, so you really shouldn't celebrate it.

[Booney]

I will indeed have a Christmas break SS,yes. But I wont spend one minute thinking about God,Jesus or any of that story nor will I attend church or sing a carol.

Christmas is nothing more than the time of year when you can spend time with family and friends and that (IMO ) is more because of the working calendar, not what Christians believe, not in my house anyway.

I'm not bagging his beliefs,if anything he said "evolutionists" give him the shits, so I should be the one who is upset.

[nuggety goodness]

Well I find that hard to believe.

Perhaps the whole "God" story was conjured up over a few home made reds?

maybe, and i guess that was brewed by our ancient ancestor Monkey-Boy or maybe the primordial soup that we came from was actually red wine... this could go on for a while...

the thing is we all have our own 'belief' mine is in God and yours are in Evolution, ultimately we will all stick to that belief until something significant happens/changes.

[nuggety goodness]

I will indeed have a Christmas break SS,yes. But I wont spend one minute thinking about God,Jesus or any of that story nor will I attend church or sing a carol.

Christmas is nothing more than the time of year when you can spend time with family and friends and that (IMO ) is more because of the working calendar, not what Christians believe, not in my house anyway.

I'm not bagging his beliefs,if anything he said "evolutionists" give him the shits, so I should be the one who is upset.

i didn't say that at all, i said that the teaching of evolution as fact rather than theory upsets me, the peopl who believe in it i have no ill feelings towards...

[nuggety goodness]

try to mate a dog and a cat, try to mate with a monkey (don't really, just showing my point) Evolution teaches that things have changed their genetic make up, which is impossible, artists impressions are made up from their imagination after seeing the bottom jaw bone from an animal that has been buried for 'millions of years'

beleiving there is a God and that we have been manufactured so intricately makes so much more sense to me and is IMO much easier to swallow...

You are taking the piss???? surley [/quote]

how so?

[Booney]

Well I find that hard to believe.

Perhaps the whole "God" story was conjured up over a few home made reds?

maybe, and i guess that was brewed by our ancient ancestor Monkey-Boy or maybe the primordial soup that we came from was actually red wine... this could go on for a while...

the thing is we all have our own 'belief' mine is in God and yours are in Evolution, ultimately we will all stick to that belief
until something significant happens/changes.

Like scientific research that dates fossils or God coming down and talking to us, whichever comes first. Sure, I'll go with that.

[Booney]

This is just going to get better and better this one.....thread of its own maybe?

[nuggety goodness]

So you didn't always believe in God nuggety? Just changed your mind one day, or shall we say you "evolved" into a Christian over time?

no sir, i had no real belief structure as a youngun and was a run amok, there are a few posters who knew me from years gone by and i was just one of the boys.

my mind was changed over time, definately not one day. however one experience has shaped my life, that i know as fact.

[nuggety goodness]

This is just going to get better and better this one.....thread of its own maybe?

might be a thought, considering our discussion could be put in as something that gives people the you know...

[A Mum]

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[shoe boy]

I don't understand why several of you are mocking a man because he believes in a god.

Yet you'll all go home and celebrate Christmas next month.

Not mocking someone that believes in a god!
Questioning his double standards as he posted "evolution gives him the shits" but the bible is the answer??????

As for xmas, I enjoy family and friends at a time when all in the western world kick back and have holidays no diff from kicking back on the queens b/day as I also dont celebrate that!!!!

All to their own! BUT DONT PREACH TO ME!

[nuggety goodness]

I don't understand why several of you are mocking a man because he believes in a god.

Yet you'll all go home and celebrate Christmas next month.

Not mocking someone that believes in a god!
Questioning his double standards as he posted "evolution gives him the shits" but the bible is the answer??????

As for xmas, I enjoy family and friends at a time when all in the western world kick back and have holidays no diff from kicking back on the queens b/day as I also dont celebrate that!!!!

All to their own! BUT DONT PREACH TO ME!

double standards? where?

and i haven't even started preaching yet, just wait til i get wound up!!!

[Pseudo]

of course it is a theory, a theory is 'an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture'

... and corroborated with observations of real world phenomena.

if it is not a theory then what is it?

At best, philosophy. At worst, imagination.

and it's not about changing the curriculum to incorporate fundamentalist teachings but to give a true education. from memory there are no text books that mention that it is a only theory.

Discussion of creationism - and indeed discussion of evolution, at least at the theoretical level - belongs in a philosophy tutorial, not in a science classroom. If a biology class was to incorporate a few lessons on the philosophical basis of the science then it would not be remiss to discuss the concept of creationism on equal terms with that of Darwinism. Nevertheless science classes typically do not focus on philosphical basis but rather on the scientific method: empirical observation of the real world, postulating theory to explain those observations, cementing those theories with further evidence. Mathematics is the only science based wholly on forward projection from philosophical assumption, and even then it is subject to empirical revision, since its usefulness extends only insofar as it helps us model and understand the real world.

even before i became a Christian i had trouble swallowing the Evolution theory...

Yet you presumably have no qualms in swallowing the host (tm); an act which by its essence makes you a cannibal, as the miracle of transubstantiation (tm) turns an innocuous looking wafer into the actual Flesh Of The Saviour. And you think evolution sounds nutty?

Evolution can be observed everywhere; the principle is not limited to the biological sciences. Evolution plays a role in many social sciences. The learning process, as modelled by psychologists, can be understood as an evolutionary process in which behaviours are subject to natural selection. The sociologists might use it to model the rise and fall of social systems. Evolution plays a role in the mathematical sciences; one might perform nonlinear optimisation of a noisy function via one of a class of evolutionary algorithms. Evolution plays a role in multidisciplinary areas like the study of dynamical systems; why does a weather system converge to a particular stable configuration? Chaos theory is rooted in principles like evolution. Take a few history classes and see literally zillions of examples of peoples, ideas, and cultures which became dominant due to a superior ability to compete in the environment, then faded to extinction when the environment changed such that the formerly dominant entities were at a natural disadvantage.

Only a theory? Yes, but one with volumes of corroborating evidence. As long is the theory continues to model reality well enough it will continue to be taught. The theory of evolution itself is subject to evolutionary change. As the human body of knowledge increases and the current theory is tested by this knowledge, it will either change (evolve) or be superceded by fitter theories.

first there was nothing, then there was 2 atoms that exploded which formed everything, then everything has now changed into different things...

Your appreciation of modern cosmology is simplistic, to say the least.

try to mate a dog and a cat, try to mate with a monkey (don't really, just showing my point) Evolution teaches that things have changed their genetic make up, which is impossible, artists impressions are made up from their imagination after seeing the bottom jaw bone from an animal that has been buried for 'millions of years'

Where do I start?

beleiving there is a God and that we have been manufactured so intricately makes so much more sense to me and is IMO much easier to swallow...

What amazes me is that the religious fundies - and to a lesser extent, some of the more dogmatic evolutionists (eg Richard Dawkins) fail to see that creationism and evolution are NOT mutually exclusive. How much more simple - not to mention elegant - would it be to propose a creator who designed the universe and its physical laws, then set the machine in motion with an almighty bang, then stepped back and watched His creation evolve into its present state, populated with self-aware beings?

(edit: new thread was formed while I was entering this. Going to copy the whole lot over there...)

[Booney]

Yeah, what he said...

Anywho, going to my accountant when all I want to do is go to the driving range after work...

[MatteeG]

Gees SS- quick to defend mate.

Not mocking NG by any means, each to their own. Just questioning what I see as holes in his story.

And yes I will celebrate Christmas as it is a day off work. No better reason to celebrate I would have thought. I always thought Christmas celebrated the big bloke in the red suit giving presents...or is this a myth?

Also- Pseudo wins for most thorough retort...

[silicone skyline]

Gees SS- quick to defend mate.

Not mocking NG by any means, each to their own. Just questioning what I see as holes in his story.

And yes I will celebrate Christmas as it is a day off work. No better reason to celebrate I would have thought. I always thought Christmas celebrated the big bloke in the red suit giving presents...or is this a myth?

Also- Pseudo wins for most thorough retort...

At the end of the day, there are many pagan rituals that have found their way into the celebration, I'm not going into them.

Easter is the same.

But the holiday exists today over something that happened about 2042 years ago. If you believe in the BC and AD system.

Anyway, there are holes in both theories, feel free to point that out too.

[Pseudo]

Perhaps you evolutionists are not celebrating Christmas this year, and celebrating your own beliefs by not taking part in something that clearly did not happen, so you really shouldn't celebrate it.

Since the church appropriated Christmas from existing pagan festivals, which are founded on beliefs which the Xians do not hold, should the Xians give Christmas a miss this year as well?