Opinions on the Thierry Henry incident??

[Jimmy_041]

The cheat is now saying there should be a replay, knowing all too well there wont be one.

I'll modify what wycbloods said - what more do you expect from people that dive and scream broken neck when someone slaps them. The referees allow these prima donnas to regularly get away with cheating, so what else do you expect him to do?

So all aussie rules players are thugs in that case, I mean Barry Hall thumps whoever he feels like on the park so everybody else must do the same right?

This might surprise you but simulation, or diving, is a part of aussie rules football now as well....

Sorry - I was talking about strikers

I agree with you about AFL - thats why I dont go and watch it live. Id rather go to SAAFL or SANFL

[Jimmy_041]

Heres an interesting profile on Terry Henry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =326715091

This mornings paper said that it had been taken down - apparently not

[fish]

and as for a certain member saying ' what would you expect from an ex arsenal player', thats stupid. what would you know.

Looks like I hit a nerve there...

yes you have. what does thierry henry and him having played for Arsenal have to do with thierry henry handballing it towards another arsenal player gallas who was the one whom scored? please explain what having played for arsenal has got to do with him handballing it?

I rest my case.

[mal]

Shows how much of a JOKE the so called 'world sport' is when just 1 incident accounts for the entire score in 90 minutes for a team (1 goal) thats ulitimately determines their entry to a world cup. Same goes for the 'Beach Ball' incident a month ago in the EPL.
Take a look at the pathetic scorelines from the world cup qualifiers the other day, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 0-1 etc etc etc. What thrilling stuff NOT ! I mean it's just PATHETIC.
Change the stupid rules, make the goals bigger or whatever it takes to allow more goals and so results like 8-5, 6-4, 10-8 are more typical so when a side totally flukes a goal like the Beach ball incident or cheats like Henry did, it doesn't have such an impact on the game and is less likely to influence the result.

Take the AFL grand final for example when the ridiculous scenario occurred when St Kilda scored that double goal but fortunately it didn't cost Geelong victory bcos 1 goal in a game of AFL only accounts for about 3-4% of goals scored in a game where as in soccer 1 goal accounts for about 50% of scoring on most occassions so an UNFAIR goal in soccer will just about ALWAYS have a bearing on the result.

Some good points raised JJ
Yes to non soccer enthusiasts as we are the game can appear boring
I like the idea of multiple goals
I see it in junior soccer where offside is not a rule
You do see a lot more goals

However the fact that there are few goals means the contest is quite even
That does keep an interest in the game FWIW

Dont be too harsh on JJ lads
He has got a very good point , one bad decision that costs a goal in a game off 0-1-2-3 goals in total is a big factor

I raised the same point sometime ago about Man Utd getting penaltys that other lower sides seemingly dont get
I say whats wrong with the 3rd umpire if a side protests against a decision

[Bully]

and as for a certain member saying ' what would you expect from an ex arsenal player', thats stupid. what would you know.

Looks like I hit a nerve there...

yes you have. what does thierry henry and him having played for Arsenal have to do with thierry henry handballing it towards another arsenal player gallas who was the one whom scored? please explain what having played for arsenal has got to do with him handballing it?

I rest my case.

still dont understand?

[Bully]

Shows how much of a JOKE the so called 'world sport' is when just 1 incident accounts for the entire score in 90 minutes for a team (1 goal) thats ulitimately determines their entry to a world cup. Same goes for the 'Beach Ball' incident a month ago in the EPL.
Take a look at the pathetic scorelines from the world cup qualifiers the other day, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 0-1 etc etc etc. What thrilling stuff NOT ! I mean it's just PATHETIC.
Change the stupid rules, make the goals bigger or whatever it takes to allow more goals and so results like 8-5, 6-4, 10-8 are more typical so when a side totally flukes a goal like the Beach ball incident or cheats like Henry did, it doesn't have such an impact on the game and is less likely to influence the result.

Take the AFL grand final for example when the ridiculous scenario occurred when St Kilda scored that double goal but fortunately it didn't cost Geelong victory bcos 1 goal in a game of AFL only accounts for about 3-4% of goals scored in a game where as in soccer 1 goal accounts for about 50% of scoring on most occassions so an UNFAIR goal in soccer will just about ALWAYS have a bearing on the result.

Some good points raised JJ
Yes to non soccer enthusiasts as we are the game can appear boring
I like the idea of multiple goals
I see it in junior soccer where offside is not a rule
You do see a lot more goals

However the fact that there are few goals means the contest is quite even
That does keep an interest in the game FWIW

Dont be too harsh on JJ lads
He has got a very good point , one bad decision that costs a goal in a game off 0-1-2-3 goals in total is a big factor

I raised the same point sometime ago about Man Utd getting penaltys that other lower sides seemingly dont get
I say whats wrong with the 3rd umpire if a side protests against a decision

but mal we are saying that not every game in the world has to be like AFL of rugby where hunderds of points and or goals are scored. he is saying the game is boring because not alot of goals are scored, yes sometimes it is boring when its a stale mate but not always and not all people follow games that score alot of goals or points

[mal]

BULLDOG
Soccer is a good sport, I dont mind watching it
As I said the lack of goals makes every game a close game, so that keeps the interest up for me

JJ and I have been brought up watching Aussie Rules when goals are a plenty
Each good individual effort in Aussie Rules has the potential to translate the effort on the scoreboard
A great effort in soccer can go unrewarded as it will not show on the scoreboard

The downside on Aussie Rules however is that if a side gets well in front it becomes one sided , and can be boring

The thing that frustrates JJ is that perhaps several great efforts in this game went unrewarded, whilst one dispicable effort did

Each goal in soccer is like 4-5 goals in footy

[johntheclaret]

Henry obviously used his hand to guide the ball to his foot. The central ref didn't see it so the goal should stand. The linesman however probably should have seen it and maybe this is an example of why they should be able to call things like this?

Linesmen do have the power to call free kicks and quite often do MC. It depends on which side of the pitch the linesman was on. If he was on the opposite side it is likely he didn't see the handball too.

[Jimmy_041]

Aren't there 2?

[johntheclaret]

Aren't there 2?

Yes there are. Each one covers half the pitch and they "run the line" on opposite sides. So my point is still good.

[johntheclaret]

From a personal perspective, I love both codes, and in many ways there are similarities to many aspects of the game in England to Australia.

AFl has all the money.
EPL has all the money

The AFL game is more sterile in it's style of play, with time wasting keep ball tactics
The EPL game is more sterile in it's style of play, with time wasting keep ball tactics

AFL players cheat, to con the ump into giving the free
EPL players cheat, to con the ref into giving the free.

SANFL lose all thier good players to the AFL
CCC lose all thier good players to the EPL

SANFL is a more honest game, played closer to the codes original roots
CCC is a more honest game, played closer to the codes original roots

Everything is disproportionate in favour of the AFL, exposure, advertising, revenue, TV coverage
Everything is disproportionate in favour of the EPL, exposure, advertising, revenue, TV coverage

To suggest soccer is boring because fewer goals are scored is cobblers. The fact that less goals are scored makes the game more exciting. Is anyone going to stand up and say that when Geeelong smashed the Power by 119 points, that the game kept them on the edge of thier seats?

The fact that one decision can have swuch an effect on the result it what makes soccer such an imotive game, and it's why it's the biggest game on the planet. It gets people excited.

[jackpot jim]

The thing that frustrates JJ is that perhaps several great efforts in this game went unrewarded, whilst one dispicable effort did

I just think that the idea of any scoring system in any sport is to reflect the relative dominance and skill of the competing teams and ultimately determining a winner.

I VERY rarely watch soccer. one game in the EPL last season i watched bcos of a financial interest i had on the game. Cant remember the teams but one of them completely dominated the game and had about 35 shots on goal to about 2 or 3 yet took until the 93rd minute to finally go 1 - nil up.
I must admit i was relieved but a scoreline of 12 - 1 would have better reflected the MASSIVE gap between the two teams.

So if all you soccer fans are happy for games to be decided by a scoring system that regularly doesn't reflect the best team on the day but the team that was lucky enough to snag a goal or two by hook or by crook then good for yous.

[Bully]

The thing that frustrates JJ is that perhaps several great efforts in this game went unrewarded, whilst one dispicable effort did

I just think that the idea of any scoring system in any sport is to reflect the relative dominance and skill of the competing teams and ultimately determining a winner.

I VERY rarely watch soccer. one game in the EPL last season i watched bcos of a financial interest i had on the game. Cant remember the teams but one of them completely dominated the game and had about 35 shots on goal to about 2 or 3 yet took until the 93rd minute to finally go 1 - nil up.
I must admit i was relieved but a scoreline of 12 - 1 would have better reflected the MASSIVE gap between the two teams.

So if all you soccer fans are happy for games to be decided by a scoring system that regularly doesn't reflect the best team on the day but the team that was lucky enough to snag a goal or two by hook or by crook then good for yous.

i think we are straying away from the subject here but...
if your happy to follow a sport where they game is decided by a scoring system that has one team kick 150 points and the other 30 points then its all yours

[johntheclaret]

The thing that frustrates JJ is that perhaps several great efforts in this game went unrewarded, whilst one dispicable effort did

I just think that the idea of any scoring system in any sport is to reflect the relative dominance and skill of the competing teams and ultimately determining a winner.

I VERY rarely watch soccer. one game in the EPL last season i watched bcos of a financial interest i had on the game. Cant remember the teams but one of them completely dominated the game and had about 35 shots on goal to about 2 or 3 yet took until the 93rd minute to finally go 1 - nil up.
I must admit i was relieved but a scoreline of 12 - 1 would have better reflected the MASSIVE gap between the two teams.

So if all you soccer fans are happy for games to be decided by a scoring system that regularly doesn't reflect the best team on the day but the team that was lucky enough to snag a goal or two by hook or by crook then good for yous.

You're absolutely spot on jj. But it's that edge of your seat stuff that makes the game so exciting. And you are spot on with your point that the best team doesn't always win. It's bloody frustrating when it happens too

[westozfalcon]

Henry's handball was poor form. He cheated, like many others in this and other sports. As for a reply, that simply isn't going to happen. The only time FIFA would ever consider replaying the game is if the ref misinterpreted the rules (got them wrong), and in this case the ref simply didn't see it happen so end of story.

But lets not get carried away with the "Irish are out of the World Cup because of one incident" plop. If they had won more of the group games and qualified as group winners they wouldn't have been in the playoff's in the first place.

Agreed.
Ireland also had 17 more minutes of extra time to turn the tide and find a 2nd goal in which would have put them straight through to the World Cup. If the Gallas goal hadn't stood and the score remained France 0-Ireland 1, there was the still the hurdle of a penalty shootout for Ireland to overcome which (based on previous form by British and Irish teams) they probably would have lost anyway. Admittedly it wouldn't have been easy for them to score another goal but if they'd kept working hard instead of feeling sorry for themselves and waiting for the hard luck story headlines it could have been a much happier outcome for them.

[redden whites]

The linesman however probably should have seen it and maybe this is an example of why they should be able to call things like this?

Oh dear,new to the game are we?

[johntheclaret]

The linesman however probably should have seen it and maybe this is an example of why they should be able to call things like this?

Oh dear,new to the game are we?

Can't be experts at everything mate

[whufc]

Am i right in saying that Ireland were still no certainties to go through and that if the goal hadn't been given the game was heading to penalties.

[smithy]

Am i right in saying that Ireland were still no certainties to go through and that if the goal hadn't been given the game was heading to penalties.

Thats right, it was heading for penalties.
Shay Given is one of the best shot stoppers going around too.

[whufc]

Am i right in saying that Ireland were still no certainties to go through and that if the goal hadn't been given the game was heading to penalties.

Thats right, it was heading for penalties.
Shay Given is one of the best shot stoppers going around too.

true but blokes like Henry Anelka and Viera aren't the worst penalty takers in the world.

My point was more all these people media/safooty that keep saying Ireland should be in the world cup and the result should be over turned well they were no certainties to win anyway.

One question i would like to ask the ref is what part of his body he thought Henry controlled the ball with, it was to low to be shoulder to high to be his feet and even Henry wouldn't be able to control a ball like that with his hip, how many times do you think the ref has replayed that moment in his head.