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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby nickname » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:42 pm

Psyber wrote:
Booney wrote:I'm doing fairly well to not let my anger at some posts on this issue get to me or appear in my responses.
But Psyber, Karma? Really, if you are using "Karma" as a reason for our current plight then I'll start banking on the Tooth Fairy not collecting a tooth for the next 12 months and depositing the coins in our bank account.
I wasn't entirely serious Booney, and seriously I'm not sure what is the best solution.
Perhaps a merger with West Adelaide may be, but there would, probably, need to be SANFL incentives to achieve it.
I do seriously think poor financial judgement has been an issue for both Port clubs, and would need to be addressed before any bail out.
I think other clubs would have objections to a bail out since nobody offered various others any bail out when they were in a financial hole, due to poor management.
I don't think Port are so important and central in the league that they should be treated as a special case..


Why would we (West) be interested in losing our identity by merging with Port? We're heading in the right direction on field and financially, so I fail to see the attraction of merging with a financial basket-case. And I can't see any old Port Magpies fans, hanging on grimly to their heritage, supporting a merged entity; I suspect it would be the final straw for them.

I'd hate to see Port drop out of the comp, but the SANFL aren't a bottomless pit of money and can't keep bailing out clubs. It's going to be down to the PAMFC supporters who, perhaps, aren't aware how dire the situation is. But if they don't act dramatically and quickly they will not have a club very soon. As for the non-Port fans, I think there's less concern about their demise because of this daft over-emphasis on the need to eliminate the bye. I suspect if there were an even number of teams in the comp, there'd be more concern.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:02 pm

Financial basket case.....as opposed to you blokes that have been a football basket case for 20 years.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby nickname » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:38 pm

Booney wrote:Financial basket case.....as opposed to you blokes that have been a football basket case for 20 years.


Yeah but we've survived. We've survived 4 successive spoons. And we've paid our players.
(And maybe things like having the smallest number of kids zoned to a club in the SANFL for 15 of those 20 years hasn't helped us on field.)
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:48 pm

nickname wrote:
Booney wrote:Financial basket case.....as opposed to you blokes that have been a football basket case for 20 years.


Yeah but we've survived. We've survived 4 successive spoons. And we've paid our players.
(And maybe things like having the smallest number of kids zoned to a club in the SANFL for 15 of those 20 years hasn't helped us on field.)



So have we.


....way too much.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby nickname » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:02 pm

Booney wrote:
nickname wrote:
Booney wrote:Financial basket case.....as opposed to you blokes that have been a football basket case for 20 years.


Yeah but we've survived. We've survived 4 successive spoons. And we've paid our players.
(And maybe things like having the smallest number of kids zoned to a club in the SANFL for 15 of those 20 years hasn't helped us on field.)



So have we.


....way too much.


Not this year.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:10 pm

Coach take all the coin? 8)
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby nickname » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:18 pm

The use of 'coin', singular, is appropriate.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby spell_check » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:49 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:By ROB McLEAN

SADLY, to many the debate over the future of the Port Adelaide Football Club in the SANFL is of little interest.
A team that once ruled over the SANFL with an iron fist, which was the most feared and hated opponent in the competition as recently as a decade ago is barely even worth wasting breath on.
On popular football website SAFooty, a forum where all SANFL activities are discussed avidly, a thread discussing the future of the Magpies has only garnered five pages – considerably less than the number of pages a thread on the presence and dangers of flares at the SANFL grand final attracted.


As I said, give it time. ;)
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby CK » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:22 pm

There are plenty of sound, reasonable business arguments that would support the end of the Port Magpies. Plenty of good reasons why the SANFL and other clubs could offer as to not giving them further financial support. Lots of emotive arguments about the events of 1990 and the ultimate entry of the Power into the SANFL, that eventually cloud the debate, and make it more about settling old scores and "evening up with the wharfies". Loads of old grudges and arguments about how things used to be, what the Magpies may or may not have done in back room meetings, behind closed doors, out of sight of most fans and other clubs, that could be used to justify a tough stance against them.

For me, though, losing them from the SANFL would see a little bit more of our league die. It's not a big secret that I am a Norwood man and always have been. For me, as an SANFL fan purely , a premiership by Norwood just wouldn't be quite the same aura without their oldest, most traditional rival in the competition. A flag without Port to beat along the way just would not be the same as other ones. Every other club loves to knock off the Magpies, especially at Alberton. Every fan walks that little bit taller after seeing their club knock Port off, despite all of the rivalries that exist now between other clubs.

No, there are plenty of logical reasons that may point toward not having them in the competition. Lots of sound business sense. Since I have grown up with football running through my veins, I have watched just a little bit of the fabric die with each passing year of the competition, as the almighty dollar takes more and more of a role in the game I love. There is plenty of compelling reason and logic that may suggest there is not a role for the Port Magpies anymore in the SANFL. For me, football still has plenty of emotion for me, and plays a massive role in my life. The SANFL plays a massive role in my world. An SANFL without Port Magpies would just be a little bit different for me and would take another slice of history that I could not show my children, as the next generation of SANFL followers. It will be hard enough for them to understand the massive rivalry Port had with the rest of the SANFL, if they are not there to see.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby Hondo » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:13 pm

Great post CK.

I too can see all the pragmatic reasons for letting PAM and, in fact, why they should have disappeared from the start. It would have cleared up a lot of the issues and debates we still have to this day.

However, the history and tradition represented by the PAM make me also feel they should be supported to survive.

On the issue of 1990 and the pay-back some people are looking for I offer up a point for debate. Should we punish the current Board and the PAM supporters because of the actions of a group of people in 1990 who are no longer there? Is it the "club" that's forever at fault or can a new management group not associated with those events and decisions be given a clean slate? Does a new generation of Board members take on accountability for all the decisions of their predecessors? To some extent, probably yes.

It's easy to say "Port" did this or that as though PAM v2009 = PAFCv1990 or as though "Port" is a real life person. To the extent that the members voted to support decisions in the past then maybe you can continue to hold them accountable. I don't have all the answers but it's food for thought to maybe cut through some of the emotion in the issue. FWIW, I was as dirty on Port Adelaide and Bruce Weber as anyone back in 1990.
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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby dedja » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:40 pm

It's all quite simple really ... Port should be afforded the same assistance from the SANFL as any other club would, no more, no less.
Dunno, I’m just an idiot.

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Re: Saving Port Adelaide - For and Against

Postby bayman » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:29 pm

dedja wrote:It's all quite simple really ... Port should be afforded the same assistance from the SANFL as any other club would, no more, no less.


spot on dedja, i believe it should be equal for all, can i add that port magpies (the real port) should get ALL bar takings etc, when they have home matches at alberton as lets face it almost everyone turning up on match days are there for the footy not for port power....however i do not have any sympathy for them

is it true the league offered assistance & told NO THANKS WE'RE RIGHT & then asked did they know what they are doing & were told YES ??
i thought secret groups were a thing of the past, well not on websites anyway
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