Port Magpies

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Give it time, it will defeat the flares issue. Just wait and see...

Ok, to keep things going:

Who is actually the real Port Adelaide Footy Club?

When you consider all the conditions the PAFC had on them to enter the AFL:
- A change of mascot (fair enough, Collingwood were there first), from the universally feared symbol of a magpie to a single fake lightning bolt
- Having to add not one but two different colours - silver and teal
- Never being able to wear the famous prison bar guernsey apart from a heritage round, even at matches not involving Collingwood and even at matches at home? How many times has it been worn in the AFL? Once?
- No matches at the ground which was almost as tough as winning X-Lotto if you were the opponent

And also, the fact that my club alone has more players on the Port list this year than those that came from within the SANFL zone that Port has! (Five to four!!!)
And that's just four Port bred players out of 44 on the list!

Who is the real PAFC? The club who has participated in the same competition for 123 years, and is in danger of being extinct.

[Hondo]

I think the reason this thread is slow is because there's just not enough Port people on this site. Why? Where are they? It's the same posters saying the same thing every time. Including me

I had a look for a different perspective on this issue and visited the Power board on bigFooty. My god Obviously I don't agree with everything posted in there but I've got to say these SAFooty threads would be a hell of a lot more lively if some of those guys posted on here!

With due respect to the DW's tongue in cheek blog (a funny read), the fact that he's feels confident enough to post that says something. There are sites where he'd be crucified for that yet we all know it will generate nothing more than 2 pages of supportive, banal responses and go nowhere.

I say again, where are the Port people? Get on here and take these guys on!

[Apachebulldog]

Quite simple i have been saying for many years they should have folded back in 1996 and all their members would of gone across to the Power Puffs and their would of been complete unity.At the moment there are two camps causing a lot of friction.

Its either the Power Puffs go under or the pseudo Ethelton Magpies take your pick, i cannot see the other 8 SANFL clubs putting lots of money into propping up the old dying enemy.

Would you all like an AFL reserve side playing in the SANFL i don't think so.

Only option left is they merge and form a new club, colors, fans etc

You all must realise by now the real Magpies died in 1996. The Power Puffs also stole their history Kaput, finished,over and out, bye ,bye ,finito, adios, sayanara, ciao for now,too bad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pseudo]

Its either the Power Puffs go under or the pseudo Ethelton Magpies take your pick,

They're NOT my frickin' Magpies I tells ya...

[UK Fan]

Couldnt agree more pseudo. You are correct. Dont waste your breathe on Hondo/Gollum he has NFI about facts when it comes to defending his precious. He will always defend the AFL over the SANFL. Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port. Port were never going to get into the AFL any other way. Proof 1991 the crows were invented due to Ports desire to be independent.

Of the other options the SANFL faced for the licence. None really invloved any club leaving the SANFL. If Port wanted to gain access it had to do the same. Not because the SANFL had a gun to its head. If you want to know Ports motivation it really really thought they belonged in the AFL and would of done anything for the second licence.

Still love how Port fans are blaming everybody else for their own clubs incompetence. The SANFL didnt make you join the AFL in 1997. And then change the conditions of entry like you guys love to believe. You were given the rules and stipulations of entry like everybody else and this is the model you created. VEry stupidly might I add but that was Port's decision.

That's exactly what I said. The SANFL mandated a team be left in the SANFL as a condition of granting an AFL license for 1997. Port had no real choice.

Instead of 1000 words and 3 posts you could have just said "I agree"

Can't believe you actually typed this:

"Having a presence was always a stipulation of the second licence. It was never forced on Port.

Those 2 statements are the exact opposite.

You said it was a "late change" made by the SANFL. 100% Incorrect as Pseudo pointed out and you questioned. Port Adelaide love to implicate they were backed into a corner by this stipulation like they had a gun held to their head. When it is not the case.

If Port felt so strongly about having a continued presence in the SANFL. a) dont apply b) try for the second time to try your bid with the exception that you wont have an SANFL presence and see how you go.

Nobody forced them to agree with the stipulation in their bid. They had other options.

[am Bays]

Ridiculous. If you want to point the finger at anyone, point it at the WAFL. Their entry into the expanded VFL in 1987 set the clocks ticking on when the SANFL would join.

Had the WAFL held out, like the SANFL had encouraged at the time, then the expanded VFL may have stayed just that, an east-coast league.

There's a very interesting show from Foxtel on the birth of the WC Eagles and it's on YouTube if you want to have a look.

Apparently the WAFL were as broke as the VFL in the mid 80s so you could blame both of them probably. If the WAFL had ownership of their own stadium like the SANFL did then they could have held out with us but they say they had run out of options by the end of 1986.

The WAFL clubs apparently were actively "selling" their star players to VFL clubs and living off the transfer fees. When those same VFL clubs ran out of money the whole house of cards fell over.

4 years later a freshly cashed up VFL changes it's name to the AFL and the year afterwards the WCE win an AFL premiership. The rest is history.

We digress ..... back to the PAMFC!

You both realise that that the West Coast Eagles were originally privately owned and as a consequence the WAFL had relatively little to do with it.

[Magpiespower]

I say again, where are the Port people?

Over at 'The Power from Port'...

[zipzap]

I say again, where are the Port people?

Over at 'The Power from Port'...

Where i notice the 'Magpies Menu' link no longer works. Interesting....

[Wedgie]

Wow, I log onto the SANFL forum fo the first time in a couple of days in he off season and a new topic covering a plight that's already been discussed at length on here in the past is up to 6 pages already!
This site amazes even me at times! Must be a lot of passion and interest in the subject!

[Magpiespower]

Where i notice the 'Magpies Menu' link no longer works. Interesting....

The Magpies menu works on my PC.

But the Power menu doesn't.

The plot thickens...

[fish]

Was there a SANFL meeting about this last night?

And if so does anyone know what was decided?

[Wedgie]

Was there a SANFL meeting about this last night?

And if so does anyone know what was decided?

Nothin was decided, it was postponed.

[Booney]

Meeting was re-scheduled until some time in November.

[Booney]

I think the reason this thread is slow is because there's just not enough Port people on this site. Why? Where are they? It's the same posters saying the same thing every time. Including me

I had a look for a different perspective on this issue and visited the Power board on bigFooty. My god Obviously I don't agree with everything posted in there but I've got to say these SAFooty threads would be a hell of a lot more lively if some of those guys posted on here!

With due respect to the DW's tongue in cheek blog (a funny read), the fact that he's feels confident enough to post that says something. There are sites where he'd be crucified for that yet we all know it will generate nothing more than 2 pages of supportive, banal responses and go nowhere.

I say again, where are the Port people? Get on here and take these guys on!

Not many of us Port fans on here, agreed. I think you will find you get a better conversation / debate on here from the three or four of us who regularly post on here compared to the masses on Big Footy. I dont even go there any more with some of the rubbish Port fans bleet on about in there.

[fish]

Been pondering some AA caller's so-stupid-it-just-might-work solution to save both flavours of the PAFC in one fell swoop tonight: Move the Maggies back to their rightful home at Alberton with all the history, creed and glory restored. Shift the Puffs to Adelaide Oval, scrap the Est: 1870 nonsense and sever all ties with the Port name that has seen their supporter base steadily haemorrhage and call themselves the Adelaide Power or something similar. Both moves could feasibly > increase members & coin

This idea appeals to me. The second AFL team associated with Port will always struggle. Make it totally independant of Port and it will flourish. Maybe the two Adelaide AFL teams could be based on some sort of geographical lines such as north v south or east v west. Scrap footy park and have them both play at a revamped Adelaide Oval with 50-55,000 capacity.

[beenreal]

Been pondering some AA caller's so-stupid-it-just-might-work solution to save both flavours of the PAFC in one fell swoop tonight: Move the Maggies back to their rightful home at Alberton with all the history, creed and glory restored. Shift the Puffs to Adelaide Oval, scrap the Est: 1870 nonsense and sever all ties with the Port name that has seen their supporter base steadily haemorrhage and call themselves the Adelaide Power or something similar. Both moves could feasibly > increase members & coin

This idea appeals to me. The second AFL team associated with Port will always struggle. Make it totally independant of Port and it will flourish. Maybe the two Adelaide AFL teams could be based on some sort of geographical lines such as north v south or east v west. Scrap footy park and have them both play at a revamped Adelaide Oval with 50-55,000 capacity.

So after all those years of following his beloved Crows, another composite side comes in and that supporter says to himself, "hey here's another made up team with no history behind it, I think I'll follow them."

Yeah that'll work!

[Booney]

We were damned if we did and damned if we didnt.

If we had denied our Port Adelaide Heritage ( which regardless of where you now believe the "History" lies ) then we would have been foolish for not represnting what got us to the AFL in the first place. A powerhouse club of the SANFL which had dreams of bigger things.

We go in as a Port Adelaide side and with the reasonably useful tool of hindsight the knockers all now tell us we have done it wrong.

[tipper]

i actually think they should stick with the 1870, creed etc. they have alienated any fans that grew up with the sanfl pre afl, and some people will never support them (myself included)

but they have been around long enough now that the next generation of footy fans are coming through. kids that arent influenced negatively by the history of port beating "their" team. they could be attracted to the "most successful club" in sa history. (that really hurt to say that too.....)

for an example, my cousin who is about 12 had a centrals scarfe above his bed from the day he was born. his dad loves the doggies. one day he walks up to his dad with the scarfe and says you can have this back now i dont need it anymore, i support the power from now on!! suffice to say dad wasnt impressed but the kid loves the power now, go figure!!

surely if they can get their "hooks" into the kids coming through there might still be some lean times ahead, but it can only get better once they get a bit older and start spending their own money with the club. by dramatically changing their marketing every couple of years they are only confusing people and making it harder for themselves.

Anyway back to the PAMFC. i hope they do pull through, but i also hope they have to do it themselves and not get a free handout. if it was good enough for other clubs to drag themselves out of trouble, surely the "mighty" port magpies can do the same??

[fish]

Been pondering some AA caller's so-stupid-it-just-might-work solution to save both flavours of the PAFC in one fell swoop tonight: Move the Maggies back to their rightful home at Alberton with all the history, creed and glory restored. Shift the Puffs to Adelaide Oval, scrap the Est: 1870 nonsense and sever all ties with the Port name that has seen their supporter base steadily haemorrhage and call themselves the Adelaide Power or something similar. Both moves could feasibly > increase members & coin

This idea appeals to me. The second AFL team associated with Port will always struggle. Make it totally independant of Port and it will flourish. Maybe the two Adelaide AFL teams could be based on some sort of geographical lines such as north v south or east v west. Scrap footy park and have them both play at a revamped Adelaide Oval with 50-55,000 capacity.

So after all those years of following his beloved Crows, another composite side comes in and that supporter says to himself, "hey here's another made up team with no history behind it, I think I'll follow them."

Yeah that'll work!

The Crows have had no problem building a successful club both on and off the field without any previous history. I agree that a non-Port AFL team will not steal Crows supporters but it will give an option to all those people, such as myself, who do not support the Crows and don't like Port.

[Hondo]

You both realise that that the West Coast Eagles were originally privately owned and as a consequence the WAFL had relatively little to do with it.

That's only partly right AM. The private ownership was the end result of the failed ASX float that the WAFL thought was the best way to raise the money for the VFL license fee. The WAFL were right in the thick of it.

Check out the YouTube (Foxtel) program, it's a very interesting look back to that era.