Who should stay, retire or trade

[stan]

So without the benefit of any players that come via the draft or trades our best 22 next year will look something like:

F D.Motlop, J.Westhoff, N.Salter
HF R.Gray, W.Tredrea, S.Burgoyne
C H.Hartlett, T.Boak, S.Salopek
HB M.Thomas, C.Cornes, N.Krakouer
B T.Chaplin, A.Carlile, J.Surjan
1R D.Brogan, D.Cassisi, K.Cornes
I/C M.Lobbe, D.Rodan, P.Stewart, T.Logan

Wanted: A key forward to replace Westhoff & an experienced Ruckman to replace Lobbe

I actually think Lobbe, Well what I have seen of him will be alright and now is the time to blood him under Brogan.
As for J.Westhoff, needs to spend this summer in the gym and beef up!

Also mate S.Burgoyne the captain. Dom should stay in the leadership group and be a strong leader around the club with the way he worsk on the field.

Salter looks ready to step up as a forward option for the Power, so him and Hartlett and the improvement of Boak look to be psoitives for this season.

[1Eyed]

i think apat from lade and burgers, Lower (too similar to a few others), Logan(can only tag), Giles, Farmer (? havent seen enough of him), Thurstans (time up) will be delisted. I think they will keep ebert and pearce.
Why would they not go after David Hale from the Roos, better then Seaby and can play forward. cant get a game at the Roos. Unless he goes home to the Gold Coast in a year. Def need to trade for a ruckman, tough midfielder and tall forward.

[Lightning McQueen]

I don't see the point in de-listing Ebert, I think he goes around again, a 50+ goal per year small forward in 07 probably see's enough credits in the bank ... If not you would think he could at least hold some form of value in a deal, but I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't at Alberton next year.
Others seem to be around the mark, Pettigrew, Lower, Lade, Carr and P. Burgoyne for one reason or another won't be there you would think.

176 goals from 118 games is a pretty poor return from someone who sits in a pocket, especially if you take out 07, I would put him up for trade though.

[Lightning McQueen]

I know I'm probably going to come under fire from this comment but what the heck, I would be interested to see what Daniel Motlop's contract is, I'd be assuming he'd be on a fair wicket, do we get the value out of him? He's a pretty selfish player at times and lacks consistency. There is no doubt about his freakish skills, do we see enough of them on a regular basis. He is either very good or very quiet.
I'd personally would rather see that sort of money going to a utility like player, someone who can play back, forward or in the middle, we have too many that aren't flexible. Malcolm Blight cleaned out the crows in 97 and made every player become flexible and no individuals, it done them a world of good.

[james07]

Surjan and Pettigrew to WA for either a forward or ruckman, Keep Pearce if he is the third or fourth midfielder his game will open up more he is a gun that needs to learn more about footy. When boak, hartlett and braodbent step up he will be better. Westoff needs a kick up the backside and a reality check that its not the barossa anymore and to stop looking for the easy footy, goes to ground too often and needs to harden up as a footballer.

[Lightning McQueen]

Surjan and Pettigrew to WA for either a forward or ruckman, Keep Pearce if he is the third or fourth midfielder his game will open up more he is a gun that needs to learn more about footy. When boak, hartlett and braodbent step up he will be better. Westoff needs a kick up the backside and a reality check that its not the barossa anymore and to stop looking for the easy footy, goes to ground too often and needs to harden up as a footballer.

At least Surjan has balls, Westhoff needs to spend 6 hours a day in the gym for a year before playing AFL again.

[JK]

I don't see the point in de-listing Ebert, I think he goes around again, a 50+ goal per year small forward in 07 probably see's enough credits in the bank ... If not you would think he could at least hold some form of value in a deal, but I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't at Alberton next year.
Others seem to be around the mark, Pettigrew, Lower, Lade, Carr and P. Burgoyne for one reason or another won't be there you would think.

176 goals from 118 games is a pretty poor return from someone who sits in a pocket, especially if you take out 07, I would put him up for trade though.

True, but I guess you have to weigh up the contributions of those around him, inside 50's etc .. And .. Why would you take out 07?

[Lightning McQueen]

I don't see the point in de-listing Ebert, I think he goes around again, a 50+ goal per year small forward in 07 probably see's enough credits in the bank ... If not you would think he could at least hold some form of value in a deal, but I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't at Alberton next year.
Others seem to be around the mark, Pettigrew, Lower, Lade, Carr and P. Burgoyne for one reason or another won't be there you would think.

176 goals from 118 games is a pretty poor return from someone who sits in a pocket, especially if you take out 07, I would put him up for trade though.

True, but I guess you have to weigh up the contributions of those around him, inside 50's etc .. And .. Why would you take out 07?

Because you were bored?? His ratio would be 93 games for 120 goals if this was the case, not good enough IMO, Motlops overall record is 108 games for 182 goals, he too scored 101 of them from 39 games in 07 & 08, he too has had a lot of quiet games.

[Hondo]

what if you take out Ebert's worst year too?

If you take out someone's best year to make an argument it looks like you are trying to make the facts fit your argument

If you take out his best and worst year (to be fair) he has 1.6 goals per game. Stevie J averages 1.9. On average Stevie J kicks 9 more goals per season and he's one of the best small forwards. Porplyzia gets 1.6 goals per game. That's as far as I have researched.

Yes, he's had a poor year. No argument there. I still think he's capable of matching 2007.

[Lightning McQueen]

what if you take out Ebert's worst year too?

If you take out someone's best year to make an argument it looks like you are trying to make the facts fit your argument

If you take out his best and worst year (to be fair) he has 1.6 goals per game. Stevie J averages 1.9. On average Stevie J kicks 9 more goals per season and he's one of the best small forwards. Porplyzia gets 1.6 goals per game. That's as far as I have researched.

Yes, he's had a poor year. No argument there. I still think he's capable of matching 2007.

Stevie J & Porplyzia also collect 20+ possessions a game, sometimes over 30 and play roles up the field. I don't think there is any comparison between the 3 players and I barrack for the Power. If either of them were offered to us for Ebert I would jump at the chance.

[Browny25]

Did i hear right that Kane Cornes could be offered up for trade?

[Booney]

Did i hear right that Kane Cornes could be offered up for trade?

I'd say no, not right. No chance.

[Browny25]

Did i hear right that Kane Cornes could be offered up for trade?

I'd say no, not right. No chance.

Just remember you heard it here first!

[hawkseye]

So without the benefit of any players that come via the draft or trades our best 22 next year will look something like:

F D.Motlop, J.Westhoff, N.Salter
HF R.Gray, W.Tredrea, S.Burgoyne
C H.Hartlett, T.Boak, S.Salopek
HB M.Thomas, C.Cornes, N.Krakouer
B T.Chaplin, A.Carlile, J.Surjan
1R D.Brogan, D.Cassisi, K.Cornes
I/C M.Lobbe, D.Rodan, P.Stewart, T.Logan

Wanted: A key forward to replace Westhoff & an experienced Ruckman to replace Lobbe

I actually think Lobbe, Well what I have seen of him will be alright and now is the time to blood him under Brogan.
As for J.Westhoff, needs to spend this summer in the gym and beef up!

Also mate S.Burgoyne the captain. Dom should stay in the leadership group and be a strong leader around the club with the way he worsk on the field.

Salter looks ready to step up as a forward option for the Power, so him and Hartlett and the improvement of Boak look to be psoitives for this season.

As long as Brogan does show him the way in contested marking.

[Ruben Carter]

Did i hear right that Kane Cornes could be offered up for trade?

I am and always have been a Port tragic. I hate it when so called "Supporters" bag our players.
HOWEVER, I believe Kane Cornes is the most Over-rated player in the AFL. He is a great ball getter, no doubt about it - and still can tag effectively. He's got a huge engine and tries his heart out. Yes he is committed, professional, desperate, and he leads by example. BUT HE IS ONE OF THE WORST DECISION MAKERS and DISPOSERS in the AFL. His turn-overs on Saturday night were appalling.I really think he does not hurt opposition sides with his touches and rarely kicks goals; like many of his mid-field team-mates - and that is what Port really needs right now -goal-kicking midfielders.
I believe he has value as a trade option and Port should get a decent player now while he is still highly respected and regarded. He will never improve his disposal skills so he is always going to be a liability IMO. I bet the Crows wouldn't take him, because of his poor kicking skills.

[CoverKing]

Booney i think u will find that it has been said that KORNES, Ebert, JESTHOFF and PEARCE have all been put out there as trade bait.

The have said if they get the right offer KORNES will go.

IM thinking.

KORNES to adelaide. GRIFFIN, DOUGLAS and a middle range draft pick to the POWER.

KORNES would be icing on the cake for the crows midfield. and it would be bye bye shirley. KORNES to the grows allows the thompsons, vinces, van berlo to play attacking footy knowing they have arguably the best tagger in the comp in there side.

Port have already said there looking for a ready made ruckman. Griffin has 30 games.

But really, even tho KORNES and the others are up for trade, i cant see the POWER giving crows there best player in KORNES

[Choccies]

Booney i think u will find that it has been said that KORNES, Ebert, JESTHOFF and PEARCE have all been put out there as trade bait.

The have said if they get the right offer KORNES will go.

IM thinking.

KORNES to adelaide. GRIFFIN, DOUGLAS and a middle range draft pick to the POWER.

KORNES would be icing on the cake for the crows midfield. and it would be bye bye shirley. KORNES to the grows allows the thompsons, vinces, van berlo to play attacking footy knowing they have arguably the best tagger in the comp in there side.

Port have already said there looking for a ready made ruckman. Griffin has 30 games.

But really, even tho KORNES and the others are up for trade, i cant see the POWER giving crows there best player in KORNES

I have always been baffled by Port's use of Kane Cornes and I believe this is why he gets so much criticism. Asking him to play a negating role deep in defence where disposals are under pressure and his emphasis is more about stopping his guy rather than gaining possession himself and using it effectively. I'm sure I remember a time when he was a ball getting midfielder and used his possessions better and actually set up some nice plays rather than disposing in haste to quickly re-find his man.
I guess what I'm saying is they should relieve him of tagging duties and allow him to become a real footballer again... Then there'd be no need to trade him...
Just my opinion...

[Psyber]

... KORNES to adelaide. GRIFFIN, DOUGLAS and a middle range draft pick to the POWER....

If he came much more cheaply he might get a spot on the wing....

[hawkseye]

Rumour went around work today that Shaun Burgoyne's manager had been contacted by Hawthorn for a 2 year deal worth 1.3 mil. Anyone else heard this anywhere?

[JK]

Did i hear right that Kane Cornes could be offered up for trade?

I am and always have been a Port tragic. I hate it when so called "Supporters" bag our players.
HOWEVER, I believe Kane Cornes is the most Over-rated player in the AFL. He is a great ball getter, no doubt about it - and still can tag effectively. He's got a huge engine and tries his heart out. Yes he is committed, professional, desperate, and he leads by example. BUT HE IS ONE OF THE WORST DECISION MAKERS and DISPOSERS in the AFL. His turn-overs on Saturday night were appalling.I really think he does not hurt opposition sides with his touches and rarely kicks goals; like many of his mid-field team-mates - and that is what Port really needs right now -goal-kicking midfielders.
I believe he has value as a trade option and Port should get a decent player now while he is still highly respected and regarded. He will never improve his disposal skills so he is always going to be a liability IMO. I bet the Crows wouldn't take him, because of his poor kicking skills.

I agree Ruben, he's a "useful" footballer, can be damaging when playing the negating role, but offensively I don't think he offers much.

Some of the names put up for potential trade won't necessarily go you wouldn't think ... Port have likely set themselves up for a win/win - Get a replacement that offers more to the team, or retain someone who now knows full well he now needs to get his ass into gear.