EPL Discussion Thread Season 2009/2010

[JK]

The yanks need to release the funds promised to RAFA to strengthen.

Recent reports from the UK have said that won't be happening mate, $2mil is the estimated figure at Rafa's disposal, he'll need to ship Babel off I'd say to get anywhere near to funds required to sign someone half-decent.

Tough ask for the Reds from here, terrible (but not unexpected) start to the campaign.

[RoosterMarty]

Not sure why Liverpool fans always whinge about having no money.

You lot have spent your fair share over the past few seasons and you spent 20mill on an injured player for christs sake.

[JK]

Not sure why Liverpool fans always whinge about having no money.

You lot have spent your fair share over the past few seasons and you spent 20mill on an injured player for christs sake.

Do some homework first Marty ... Rafa get's bugger-all by way of Transfer Funds, he has to sell players to create his own fund ... Torres is the only player he was ever gifted (and it was truly that) money-wise, by the new owners.

You wouldn't see it because I doubt it's ever an issue at OT (and good luck to them), but that's not the case with us.

[devilsadvocate]

Liverpool's bid to finish the season in 6th place has been given a boost at half time at Anfield.
After fouling 4-5 players and giving the ball away numerous times, the world class Lucas decided to give Villa a needless free kick from 25 yards out.
Not content with his efforts so far, he decided to turn the resulting free kick into his own net.
He is a star.
Liverpool are fortunate to have such a talent in their team.
Just on the stroke of half time, Reina gets yellow carded for arguing with the ref for giving Villa a corner that shouldn't of been given.
Result: Headed in and Villa 2-0 up at the break.

The yanks need to release the funds promised to RAFA to strengthen.

Lol. Lucas really is cack though.

[JK]

Liverpool's bid to finish the season in 6th place has been given a boost at half time at Anfield.
After fouling 4-5 players and giving the ball away numerous times, the world class Lucas decided to give Villa a needless free kick from 25 yards out.
Not content with his efforts so far, he decided to turn the resulting free kick into his own net.
He is a star.
Liverpool are fortunate to have such a talent in their team.
Just on the stroke of half time, Reina gets yellow carded for arguing with the ref for giving Villa a corner that shouldn't of been given.
Result: Headed in and Villa 2-0 up at the break.

The yanks need to release the funds promised to RAFA to strengthen.

Lol. Lucas really is cack though.

Recently added to the Brazilian National squad ... Thats sure to send a frightful shudder through the other contenders

[devilsadvocate]

Lol. Lucas really is cack though.

Recently added to the Brazilian National squad ... Thats sure to send a frightful shudder through the other contenders[/quote]

He's just like Anderson IMO. Only deemed a decent player because of the team he's playing for/price tag.

Speaking of Anderson:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-bust-up-will-see-Anderson-quit-Old-Trafford-article129305.html
Manchester United midfielder Anderson has been told he can quit Old Trafford after a furious bust-up with Sir Alex Ferguson.

The Brazilian star left Fergie fuming after reacting badly to his failure to make the starting line-up for the Community Shield defeat by Chelsea.

The Scot was so angry he later confronted Anderson over his actions and was stunned by the 21-year-old’s refusal to back down.

Anderson insisted he was good enough to be in the team and was frustrated at being overlooked, with rookie Darron Gibson taking his place in the squad.

And with the Brazilian international claiming he would prefer to quit rather than sit on the sidelines, Ferguson is willing to grant him his wish.

Anderson’s flare-up has seen him barely feature this season. He played 59 minutes stuck out on the left wing in the defeat at Burnley and hardly made an impact.

He didn’t even make the bench for the 5-0 win over Wigan, with Gibson being handed the job of shoring up the centre of midfield when Paul Scholes tired.

The row is a major blow to Ferguson who hoped the former Porto star would mature into a key player this season.

But having seen his close pal Cristiano Ronaldo leave for Real Madrid in the summer, Anderson could soon be following him out of the Old Trafford door.

United paid nearly £18m for Anderson in May 2007 after Ferguson’s scouts told him the midfielder was one of the best prospects around.

He fired one of the shoot-out penalties in the 2008 Champions League final win over Chelsea after coming on as a sub, and started the defeat by Barcelona in last season’s competition, but he now faces an uncertain future.

And just for the record, I WOUDLN'T have him at Spurs, even for free.

[smithy]

Not sure why Liverpool fans always whinge about having no money.

You lot have spent your fair share over the past few seasons and you spent 20mill on an injured player for christs sake.

Bit early in the day to be on the spirits Marty.
Before this season had started, Chelsea, Man Utd and even Tottenham had spent more over the previous 5 seasons than Liverpool.

FACT ! (sorry LOL)

This season RAFA has purchased

Johnson 17.5 mill - Thats not taking into account the rumoured 7 mill owed to them from Portsmouth for Peter Crouch.
Aquilani 20 mill
Kyrgiakos 2 mill

NET SPEND 39.5 mill WORST CASE



PLayers sold

Alonso 30 mill
Arbeloa 3.5 mill
Hobbs and a few others for undisclosed fees.

NET SALES 33.5 mill

So RAFA has spent 6 mill WORST CASE, a profit if LFC were owed money from the Crouch sale.

Now with a normal budget of around 20-25 mill, we are all asking why isnt the available balance given to RAFA.

FACT (sorry again LOL)

[RoosterMarty]

So you have no money yet you spent 18mill on a right back and 20mill on an injury proned bloke who is still injured and misses the first few months of the season?

[smithy]

So you have no money yet you spent 18mill on a right back and 20mill on an injury proned bloke who is still injured and misses the first few months of the season?

Did you not read what Mr Perm said ?

RAFA has to sell to buy.
Who said LFC had no money ???????/

Where does it say that Marty ?????????????????

Quite clearly the question is.............and I'll spell this s...l.....o.....w....l....y. for you.

The funds allocated to RAFA are not being released, more than likely to cover the yanks debt.

They might have a change of heart after recent results and give him some before August, but reports are saying that the owners are giving him nothing else to spend when quite clearly the funds are there.

Hopefully changing my keyboard to type Australian makes this easier for you to read.

[RoosterMarty]

You know you are desperate when you have to try and rubbish me about my apparent lack of English skills! Very clever!

For starters, debts do need to be paid off...

But more importantly, he has had the chance to strengthen the squad.. but instead he either spends a tiny amount of crap players, or a large amount on crap or injured players. Johnson is looking to be a good buy but 18mill for a right back is a lot of coin.. of course the fact that he is English put the price up.

Wenger signed that Vermaelan character for about 10 mill which is looking like it could be a bargain.

Also, why did he buy Aquilani? Alonso was going to be a huge loss - infact I was rubbished when I suggested it was the equivalent to United losing Ronaldo and I am being proved correct here - so why spend 20 mill on an injured player? He won't even get on the park until October or something and there is a very, very good chance he will just break down again.

[JK]

But more importantly, he has had the chance to strengthen the squad.. but instead he either spends a tiny amount of crap players, or a large amount on crap or injured players. Johnson is looking to be a good buy but 18mill for a right back is a lot of coin.. of course the fact that he is English put the price up.

His cost to us was only (approx) 11mil given the $$ Pompey still owed on the Crouch deal.

Also, why did he buy Aquilani? Alonso was going to be a huge loss - infact I was rubbished when I suggested it was the equivalent to United losing Ronaldo and I am being proved correct here - so why spend 20 mill on an injured player? He won't even get on the park until October or something and there is a very, very good chance he will just break down again.

You've just said yourself how short Alonso's departure leaves us, was he suppose to go all season without trying to fill a hole? Rafa would no doubt have banked on hopefully being able to remain in touch by the time Aquilani suits up, which may well not be the case but would have been the plan and still doesn't change the point on $$ made available to him.

Throw Arbeloa into the mix, and I reckon his money in is about the same as money out.

No doubt I hate Man U a much as you hate Liverpool, but if you don't have the capacity to take the blinkers off it's probably better not to comment on other clubs.

[devilsadvocate]

Just to throw a cat among the pigeons, as much as I don't hate Liverpool among the rest of the Sky 4 teams, this little episode with the reds not being given the cash to spend on bolstering the squad could very quickly see them be out of contention for CL next season, or at least up against it big time come the Jan transfer window.

Surely the Seppo's will see that a bit of cash now will prevent them from a losing a bucketload if they're not getting the CL income next season, not to mention the pressure that will come from other clubs to snap up Torres who would be mad to stay without the promise of europe's biggest comp.

The real problem at Liverpool IMO is their depth. They've got some brilliant players in Gerrard, Torres, Reina and even Masch, but it falls away badly after that. Look at the backup squads of Chelski, Manure and to a lesser extent Arse, Spurs and Citeh.

Liverpool need to beat Bolton on the weekend BAD. It will be ugly for Rafa and the yanks if they dont.

P.S. The odds for Rafa to be the first coach sacked this season have been slashed apparently.

[smithy]

But more importantly, he has had the chance to strengthen the squad.. but instead he either spends a tiny amount of crap players, or a large amount on crap or injured players. Johnson is looking to be a good buy but 18mill for a right back is a lot of coin.. of course the fact that he is English put the price up.

A tiny amount on crap players or a large amount on crap players, LOL Marty, I'd say that makes all RAFA's signings crap then.

Wenger signed that Vermaelan character for about 10 mill which is looking like it could be a bargain.

Wenger makes mistakes just like the rest of the managers, including Sir rudolph

Also, why did he buy Aquilani? Alonso was going to be a huge loss - infact I was rubbished when I suggested it was the equivalent to United losing Ronaldo and I am being proved correct here - so why spend 20 mill on an injured player? He won't even get on the park until October or something and there is a very, very good chance he will just break down again.

Dig a bigger hole for yourself Marty !
Not sure if you were supporting Cardiff or Man Utd at the time but Man U paid 26 mill for Ruud Van Nistles even though he was out for a year with a knee reconstruction.
Very , very good chance he could've broken down too.
That was a gamble, one which paid off.
Too unfair to criticise RAFA until the lads played for a few weeks.
Anyway, an injured left testy would be a better replacement than Lucas.
Yes, Alonso is a MASSIVE loss, but the player was going to leave at the end of this season and it would've been on a bosman if he chose to do so.
Rather the 30 mill now than nothing in 12 months.
And comparing Alonso to Ronaldo is just plain ridiculous.

[devilsadvocate]

Yes, Alonso is a MASSIVE loss, but the player was going to leave at the end of this season and it would've been on a bosman if he chose to do so.
Rather the 30 mill now than nothing in 12 months.

Sorry to weigh in here, but it's hard to dispute that the sale of Alonso was the best thing for LFC. They got a huuuuge payout for a player in the final year of his contract.

Good business by Rafa IMO.

[RoosterMarty]

Why is it ridiculous comparing Alonso to Ronaldo?

I am not talking about them as players but their meaning to the team. Both were vital to any success, Liverpool look like a completely different side without Alonso setting each play up. Now they have Masch who can win a ball but can't pass 10 yards, and Lucas who is your favourite player of course smithy.

Liverpool have spent a lot of money on players over the past few years so don't act as though you are stricken by poverty. Also you didn't have to spend 20mill on an injured player to cover Alonso surely?

Yes United bought Ruud after he did his knee but United supporters were hardly having a cry because there are no funds to buy players. Liverpool fans are using that as an excuse despite the fact they forked out 20mill on a bloke who can't walk.

[JK]

Yes United bought Ruud after he did his knee but United supporters were hardly having a cry because there are no funds to buy players. Liverpool fans are using that as an excuse despite the fact they forked out 20mill on a bloke who can't walk.

This is probably a waste of time because you're pretty close minded on the subject, but we'll give it a go anyway ...

United supporters were hardly having a cry because there are no funds to buy players Umm, that's because you've ALWAYS had the funds available Marty ... Prior to Chelsea and Man City, you guys had more cash to splash than anyone else - As I've said before full marks to your mob, because you have to create those revenue streams for yourself, but don't compare the 2 clubs spendability.

If you think the $$ to buy top shelf players isn't important, then I must be missing something ... Last year your mob had say 7, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov, Vidic, Ferdinand, Van Der Sar (leaving out older quality players like Giggs and Scholes even Hargraves, and youngsters like Nani and Anderson who were each worth more than most of our players) ... Chelsea, well they had a squad full ... Liverpool would have had say 5 at best (Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina), some of which could be debatable.

There is no doubt that the amount made available in player fund is a handicap for us ... It doesn't excuse our poor start to the season, and hopefully we can get our campaign back on track sooner rather than later, but it's an obstacle no doubt.

As for Alonso, I don't agree his worth to club was the same as Ronaldo, but I can see where you're going with it - He was certainly much more pivotal to Liverpool than most would have ever thought ... It was no coincidence that he had his best season last year and it was Liverpool's best effort in the EPL.

The biggest problem with losing him was the timing ... Benitez would have had plans (structurally) to fit Barry in there but he was quickly off the market, and by the time Xabi left there wasn't enough time to get a replacement with a settled, changed structure.

And where is this "crying" from Liverpool supporters that you speak of btw?

[Swooper16]

[/quote]

Dig a bigger hole for yourself Marty !
Not sure if you were supporting Cardiff or Man Utd at the time but Man U paid 26 mill for Ruud Van Nistles even though he was out for a year with a knee reconstruction.
Very , very good chance he could've broken down too.
That was a gamble, one which paid off.
Too unfair to criticise RAFA until the lads played for a few weeks.
Anyway, an injured left testy would be a better replacement than Lucas.
Yes, Alonso is a MASSIVE loss, but the player was going to leave at the end of this season and it would've been on a bosman if he chose to do so.
Rather the 30 mill now than nothing in 12 months.
And comparing Alonso to Ronaldo is just plain ridiculous.[/quote]

Fairly certain Man Utd didnt buy RVN10 when he was injured. As i remember it Utd were going to sign him then when putting him through a fitness test he snapped his ACL. Utd then waited 12 months for the injury to fully heal before signing. Of course it was still a risk but proved to be one worth taking.

[smithy]

Liverpool have spent a lot of money on players over the past few years so don't act as though you are stricken by poverty. Also you didn't have to spend 20mill on an injured player to cover Alonso surely?

I'm only going to repeat this 1 more time.
No-one is saying Liverpool are poverty stricken.
The problem is the owners aren't releasing transfer funds that are available/were promised to the manager.

[shoe boy]

Lucas is a superstar

[Bully]

i have been outa range and TV/net coverage the past few days? was gunna ask did i hear right that villa beat LFC at anfield but reading the previous posts i know the answer