Eagles Coaching Position

[matt1]

I'd personally drop the agency ... you're after a football coach, not an Executive.

I'm interested in your logic here..... What difference does it make whether you are looking for either. McArthur are a HR firm who assisted in the appointment of Collins at West and a number of positions at the Crows. A HR firm who can manage the process in a professional manner because they do it day in, day out.

I am really glad the Club have used an agency, to me it says they are committed to conducting a professional process.

[dedja]

Fair point ... let me clarify, and qualify that it's just a personal opinion and obviously the Eagles have determined the process so it's a tad academic.

I've made 2 assumptions which may well be incorrect.

1. The the agency in question does not have people on hand who have SANFL or AFL club experience in some form.
2. The first interview will be solely conducted by the agency with no football club appointed people involved (but who would obviously vet the shortlist).

It's OK for a recruitment agency to co-ordinate and oversee the process, but personaly I'd want to have football people on any interview panel, including the first (again I interpreted that it wasn't going to be the case so I could be mistaken).

The value of a very good recruiter is to (a) understand the requirements of the client, (b) understand the market and translating the client's requirements into action, and (c) manage the process professionally.

I don't see the agency performing well in (b) because it's such a specialised market and applicant target.

I have worked with recruiters at a senior level (on both sides of the equation) and the differentiator for me is almost always (b).

I agree that there should be a formal process to some extent, but with some flexibility. I'll give you an example where things can go wrong.

Cyril Rioli was picked up in the draft by Hawthorn when more than one other AFL club didn't consider him seriously because apparently he didn't interview well. The man's skills were unquestionable, but being able to handle an interview aren't skills that necessarily enhance his ability to be the player we all now know him to be.

It's almost as if there is that intangible quality that is very hard to define that you may not be able to accomodate with such a rigid process ...or a recruiter who doesn't have people who have been heavily involved in this sport at the required level who just won't understand.

And a final point, 3 interviews is an arduous process that some prospects may just think is not worth it, especially when they may have to take a significant pay cut if they were ultimately successful ... and what if (yes, I'm being slightly facetious) someone like Rick McGowan, Damien Hardwick, or an ex-AFL coach was interested? Would you really put them through 3 interviews?

[klaan]

We would at South!!! Don't worry about interviews, we'll just let a few people make the decision.

I think they are doing the right thing. It is after all the most important decision they make. If someone isnt willing to through a process then they shouldn't be in the job.

[ferret]

The club has an open mind about part-time or full-time coach. Will have a lot to do with what appointee wants.

[Mickyj]

The Eagles released to their members this evening a detailed process of how they will proceed with selecting their coach.

I'm biased obviously but I'm impressed with the detail and people involved.

Not a great fan of making "members only" announcments public straight away ... I will be interested in what holden78 makes of it.

BTW Eagle Fans - remember next Sunday v West is Kids Day. For you kids to be in the pregame parade get to the Southern End by 1.15pm.

Phil I am with you re the professionalism of our great footy club under the new leadership of the new CEO.I find it very comforting that they will go through this process and keep us loyal members informed.
And I must put my hand up as one who will sometimes post memebers email up on the net.I am afraid where the great EAGLES footy club is concerned I am like a big kid .Hell I even put that link up on the VFL board just to rub it to the vics .
I did however get given three names that I passed on to Chris and on here as well.Plus when speaking with Chris and joking with him that we had been discussing who "WE" dont want as a coach .The look on his face was priceless and he was gentleman enough not to ask for names .

I for one am glad we going down this track .After hearing and reading about how West got Collins and South let him slip through their fingers.Perhaps this is the PROFESSIONAL way of the future.

[Mickyj]

Fair point ... let me clarify, and qualify that it's just a personal opinion and obviously the Eagles have determined the process so it's a tad academic.

I've made 2 assumptions which may well be incorrect.

1. The the agency in question does not have people on hand who have SANFL or AFL club experience in some form.
2. The first interview will be solely conducted by the agency with no football club appointed people involved (but who would obviously vet the shortlist).

It's OK for a recruitment agency to co-ordinate and oversee the process, but personaly I'd want to have football people on any interview panel, including the first (again I interpreted that it wasn't going to be the case so I could be mistaken).

The value of a very good recruiter is to (a) understand the requirements of the client, (b) understand the market and translating the client's requirements into action, and (c) manage the process professionally.

I don't see the agency performing well in (b) because it's such a specialised market and applicant target.

I have worked with recruiters at a senior level (on both sides of the equation) and the differentiator for me is almost always (b).

I agree that there should be a formal process to some extent, but with some flexibility. I'll give you an example where things can go wrong.

Cyril Rioli was picked up in the draft by Hawthorn when more than one other AFL club didn't consider him seriously because apparently he didn't interview well. The man's skills were unquestionable, but being able to handle an interview aren't skills that necessarily enhance his ability to be the player we all now know him to be.

It's almost as if there is that intangible quality that is very hard to define that you may not be able to accomodate with such a rigid process ...or a recruiter who doesn't have people who have been heavily involved in this sport at the required level who just won't understand.

And a final point, 3 interviews is an arduous process that some prospects may just think is not worth it, especially when they may have to take a significant pay cut if they were ultimately successful ... and what if (yes, I'm being slightly facetious) someone like Rick McGowan, Damien Hardwick, or an ex-AFL coach was interested? Would you really put them through 3 interviews?

Its funny I have read what you have written and agree with some of it .In the real world do you have to sit through more than one interview in the case of my employer a big fat YES. Do you get to start straight away a big fat NO.
Its a case of at least 2 interviews plus physc tests, physicals, police records checks (that the interviewee pays for).And perhaps 6 weeks latter a job.Just a few people lose interest by the way.

So 3 interviews is probably easy .The company could weed(thats a pun) out candidates that appear great like a former Westies coach that is rumoured to be looking at Oval ave.

[holden78]

Whats unfolding now Ive been on about for a few years , so I think its all going well ! You just stick to your little sunday radio gig , which by the way could use some hardening up ! Ask some pertainent tough questions for a change ; interested supporters are falling asleep listening to some of the mindless dribble . If you dont want to upset players , then dont talk to them , just talk about them and their clubs ( good or bad ) . The weak boring newspaper stuff is bad enough !

The Eagles released to their members this evening a detailed process of how they will proceed with selecting their coach.

I'm biased obviously but I'm impressed with the detail and people involved.

Not a great fan of making "members only" announcments public straight away ... I will be interested in what holden78 makes of it.

BTW Eagle Fans - remember next Sunday v West is Kids Day. For you kids to be in the pregame parade get to the Southern End by 1.15pm.

[dedja]

Pretty easy and cowardly to snipe from an anonymous position VB Commodore

IMO PhilH is open and transparent, is one of the very best media performers we have and is obviously passionate about SANFL.

[Mickyj]

Pretty easy and cowardly to snipe from an anonymous position VB Commodore

IMO PhilH is open and transparent, is one of the very best media performers we have and is obviously passionate about SANFL.

Plus you could have told him Saturday Holden he was walking around the ground putting Eagle posters up !!

[Columbo]

Whats unfolding now Ive been on about for a few years , so I think its all going well ! You just stick to your little sunday radio gig , which by the way could use some hardening up ! Ask some pertainent tough questions for a change ; interested supporters are falling asleep listening to some of the mindless dribble . If you dont want to upset players , then dont talk to them , just talk about them and their clubs ( good or bad ) . The weak boring newspaper stuff is bad enough !

Just when we thought you might have something positive to say....... Keep up the good work Phil!

As for the coaching job...wonder if Power assistant Darren Trevena would be an applicant for Eagles or any of the jobs that are available.

[Mickyj]

Whats unfolding now Ive been on about for a few years , so I think its all going well ! You just stick to your little sunday radio gig , which by the way could use some hardening up ! Ask some pertainent tough questions for a change ; interested supporters are falling asleep listening to some of the mindless dribble . If you dont want to upset players , then dont talk to them , just talk about them and their clubs ( good or bad ) . The weak boring newspaper stuff is bad enough !

Just when we thought you might have something positive to say....... Keep up the good work Phil!

As for the coaching job...wonder if Power assistant Darren Trevena would be an applicant for Eagles or any of the jobs that are available.

You may know more than me Columbo .But after speaking with a very close relative of Darren he's not coming to fortress woodville .the response I got after saying his name was written on that other footy board the yellow one,was no again.
Holden78 etc may spy who I chat with at the footy but I am known by a fair few people away from footy .

[centrecirclelegend]

former Western Bulldogs player Rohen Smith has been mentioned......

[PhilH]

Holder78, Whats unfolding now Ive been on about for a few years , so I think its all going well ! You just stick to your little sunday radio gig , which by the way could use some hardening up ! Ask some pertainent tough questions for a change ; interested supporters are falling asleep listening to some of the mindless dribble . If you dont want to upset players , then dont talk to them , just talk about them and their clubs ( good or bad ) . The weak boring newspaper stuff is bad enough !

Oh Dear, I hope I haven't replaced Ronnie on Holden's dartboard

I am glad you think its all going well. Somewhere in that is common agreement, I think.

For the harder questions of club officials tune into Outside 50, Wednesday Mornings 7am on RPH as we are doing a different CEO each week. This Wednesday its Norwood's Dom Shepley (it will be interesting to see how their approach differs to that of the Eagles.

The fiveaa show is aimed to get a players perspective of where their club is at, it has both benefits and limitations. I mean how many times does Ben Warren have to front up for South and get asked about yet another loss?

Of course when I get to fill in I throw open the floor via this site for your questions to ask, feel free to contribute if you wish next time Holden

[bosvit]

This may sound stupid but should any of these "need a coach" teams approach Darren Crocker after todays announcement of Scott as the new coach at North Melbourne???

[Mickyj]

Holder78, Whats unfolding now Ive been on about for a few years , so I think its all going well ! You just stick to your little sunday radio gig , which by the way could use some hardening up ! Ask some pertainent tough questions for a change ; interested supporters are falling asleep listening to some of the mindless dribble . If you dont want to upset players , then dont talk to them , just talk about them and their clubs ( good or bad ) . The weak boring newspaper stuff is bad enough !

Oh Dear, I hope I haven't replaced Ronnie on Holden's dartboard

I am glad you think its all going well. Somewhere in that is common agreement, I think.

For the harder questions of club officials tune into Outside 50, Wednesday Mornings 7am on RPH as we are doing a different CEO each week. This Wednesday its Norwood's Dom Shepley (it will be interesting to see how their approach differs to that of the Eagles.

The fiveaa show is aimed to get a players perspective of where their club is at, it has both benefits and limitations. I mean how many times does Ben Warren have to front up for South and get asked about yet another loss?

Of course when I get to fill in I throw open the floor via this site for your questions to ask, feel free to contribute if you wish next time Holden

For those of us who are at our day jobs and can't listen any info on what the Eagles CEO said Phil.

[PhilH]

Chris was the first one about 4 weeks ago, before Ron annouced he was leaving. All a bit vague now.

He was also interviewed at half time last Saturday @ Thebarton on LifeFM by John & Doug. Nothing was said that members didnt already know (which is good I think)

Some points from memory
- Recognised that Thebarton was part of the clubs history and this needed to be recognised with games being played there, would have like larger crowd and hinted at trying to get some night footy lighting with SAAFL.
- Advert re coaching position in paper today, process would be comprehensive, Ron big shoes to fill. Members would get e-mail details of process later that day.
- Kids day next Sunday (went through events). Important for club to develope the supporters of the future, part of work being doing to grow the supporter base, membership and crowds.

[matt1]

Chris was the first one about 4 weeks ago, before Ron annouced he was leaving. All a bit vague now.

He was also interviewed at half time last Saturday @ Thebarton on LifeFM by John & Doug. Nothing was said that members didnt already know (which is good I think)

Some points from memory
- Recognised that Thebarton was part of the clubs history and this needed to be recognised with games being played there, would have like larger crowd and hinted at trying to get some night footy lighting with SAAFL.
- Advert re coaching position in paper today, process would be comprehensive, Ron big shoes to fill. Members would get e-mail details of process later that day.
- Kids day next Sunday (went through events). Important for club to develope the supporters of the future, part of work being doing to grow the supporter base, membership and crowds.

I'm interested in your thoughts here Phil as a person in the media. I thought Davies spoke well on the weekend and seems to be much more comfortable speaking to the media than many of the CEO's in the competition. I have been pretty impressed with him so far in that respect.

[Sojourner]

This may sound stupid but should any of these "need a coach" teams approach Darren Crocker after todays announcement of Scott as the new coach at North Melbourne???

The problem might be finding the coin to retain him at the club, he would be a fantastic asset to any SANFL club though! I have often thought that ex Sturt player Brenton Sanderson currently coaching at Geelong would be amongst the best Assistants floating around the AFL to be snared by an SANFL club. Yet if Hinkley gets the job at Richmond he will likely move up a job anyway!

[PhilH]

Matt, I would agree but it's a compromised opinion given that as well as being an Eagles member I also work with Chris on a sub-committee. Most CEO's are pretty good, its just that they only tend to get interviewed by the mainstream media when there is a crisis on. I can only think of 1 or 2 that seem to deliberately avoid media contact. I should add that re the fiveaa show the clubs have been excellent in always providing a guest, only once in the 12 shows (96 guests) Ive been on has an allocated player said they didn't want to go on, we soon found a backup.

[MightyEagles]

I hear that Holden78 has put his Resume in to the Eagles board and CEO. I think that his picture might be on many dart boards of Eagles members.