Security at SANFL Football grounds

[Brucetiki]

So far we had have an incident in the SANFL g/final in1954 that led to a players race being introduced
And maybe the Stringer altercation on the oval led to the 2nd siren rule

Can someone confirm the Stringer/2nd siren question aftermath?

I thought the second siren was only introduced around 1998/1999 after an incident between Norwood and North at Norwood Oval on a Friday night (the game Gary McIntosh was sent off and Chris McDermott was involved in a scuffle with a couple of rowdy supporters - the incident involving McDermott was why the second siren was introduced).

[JK]

What a thug that McDermott was

I must admit I'd forgotten about that, but I reckon you might be right Bruce.

[doggies4eva]

Sarcasm - A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

Doesn't mention humour in that at all.....

To ridicule someone or something is to use humour to critise!

[spell_check]

So far we had have an incident in the SANFL g/final in1954 that led to a players race being introduced
And maybe the Stringer altercation on the oval led to the 2nd siren rule

Can someone confirm the Stringer/2nd siren question aftermath?

I thought the second siren was only introduced around 1998/1999 after an incident between Norwood and North at Norwood Oval on a Friday night (the game Gary McIntosh was sent off and Chris McDermott was involved in a scuffle with a couple of rowdy supporters - the incident involving McDermott was why the second siren was introduced).

Correct, it was this match:
Round 7 1998
Norwood 4.2 8.9 12.16 18.19 (127)
North 3.4 5.6 7.7 15.12 (102)
Norwood, 5542

[Morrie]

Ask Jerry Dan'tossa

[topsywaldron]

Ask Jerry Dan'tossa

And he'd point you in the direction of Glen Sandford, then a North player.

[JK]

Ask Jerry Dan'tossa

And he'd point you in the direction of Glen Sandford, then a North player.

Once he helped you off the turf

[Tiger Couple]

Times are changing and unfortunatly more and more s***t incidents are happening that ruin things for the people doing the right things.

How do you work that out? I remember and saw a lot more incidents in the 80s and 90s. Most games I went to there was heated arguments and near fights breaking out all the time, I haven't seen one incident of concern recently, only a few come to mind, first being at Elizabeth 3 or 4 years ago when a drunkard started a bloody fight, also about 5 years ago when a drunken Port supporter broke a girls collarbone, and at a similar time when a drunk Eagles supporter decided to push me so I took him and his 3 mates down leaving them with blood lips, black eyes and another assortment of bruises, before that it would have been the one of the Port cheersquad hitting a Port player with a rock which was probably early 90s.
Police used to be everywhere at all games.
Things used to be a lot more heated. I think most SANFL fans show each other a bit more mutual respect these days and things are a lot more pleasant.
I haven't even seen a decent heated argument in recent seasons! It used to be a weekly occurance!

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Should of clarified I was talking about in general day to day life not just SANFL that more and more stupid things are happening.

From memory there was a Norwood Supporter escorted from the ground at 3 qtr time of the game we played at the Parade this year. He was verbally abusing his own players at the huddle.

I do agree that there have not been any incidents but that would suggest that one could be around the corner.

This really is going no where. My point and others is simply that to make sure no incident does happen the Entry/Exit for the Umpires and Away team is not satisfactory and to prevent something happening the NAFC should do something about it.

If a players race was put up then you wouldn't have to worry about Security doing there job, as they clearly didn't on Sunday when Willoughby and Mills left the ground basically straight after the umpires yet no Security was present as they were standing around talking outside umpires room or arn't they required to be in attendance if the whole team arn't leaving the ground.

You are 100% correct that it is our problem if we do not follow the rules of getting off before the 2nd Siren but the only reason we stay on the ground is to do our warm down to aid recovery. I would think with our performances this year it is justified as it appears to work. I'm sure others clubs do the same in the rooms but each club to there own. It appears to be working for us so I can't see us changing that routine. Home games are the only game we do not stay/go back onto the ground as we have the Rooms set up to cater for the warm down. So no need to go back on ground.

[drebin]

I have not read so much hysteria around ground security based on a game on the weekend where NOTHING happened???

People should remember that if they go out onto the ground or around the changerooms at anytime (more so after the game has concluded) and abuse or threaten a player then they rightly leave themselves open to being "biffed". Quite frankly I haven't seen too many blokes at SANFL games that would be game enough to go up to the majority of SANFL players and have a crack. Even the little guys are toned and fit and would take most of the spectators out. Now going after the likes of Wade Mills and players of that size - good luck!

[Wedgie]

Should of clarified I was talking about in general day to day life not just SANFL that more and more stupid things are happening.

Really?
Once again we'll have to disagree, I think relatively speaking less stupid thing are happening these days, it just more are reported throughout various forms of media creating a sense of paranoia which the media then in turn feeds off by making more money as people want to find out about it.
For eg the population was a lot less in the 60s, 70s and 80s but missing children seemed to be more of a common occurance back then.
The only thing I think is more dangerous is the roads because of the increase in traffic and less driver skills (although better cars counters this to a degre) but I believe in general life and at SANFL games there is relatively less incidents than the past.
Just my opinion but I'm one of those who doesn't take a lot of notice of some mediums.
Talk to some of the people that were in cheersquads of the 60s, 70s and 80s and it becomes evident quit quickly there were a lot more incidents in those days than these.

[mal]

After posting, asking, reading and being informed this is my opinion of events in order of occurence

UMPIRES
Well taken care off by security

2 GLENELG PLAYERS
Willougby and the other player by some reports Mills, came off just after the umpires
No security for the 2 players

REST OF GLENELG TEAM
Most of the team came off the ground after the 2nd siren for whatever reasons
No security afforded after the 2nd siren, as per protocol

SOLUTION
Glenelg needs to rethink about leaving players out on the ground.
The SANFL perhaps needs to contact the Glenelg Football club over this issue.
Security needs to also perhaps liase with the Glenelg Footy Club + the SANFL about the overall situation as well.
The North Adelaide Football club, by not having a players race perhaps also needs to look into the matter and also making sure there is no potential incidence in future games

SUMMARY
Irrespective of what if and what is, my opinion is that all SANFL players at all times must be protected by security.
That 2 Glenelg players could come of the ground within a prescribed time and have no security is not good enough or a security oversight

[Wedgie]

games

SUMMARY
Irrespective of what if and what is, my opinion is that all SANFL players at all times must be protected by security.
That 2 Glenelg players could come of the ground within a prescribed time and have no security is not good enough or a security oversight

Perhaps it isn't, perhaps security are advised to escort the main playing group off before the 2nd siren?
If players decide to come off in pairs before the 2nd siren we'd need to have 21 security guards for each team.
Common sense would dictate security may have done the right thing. If Glenelg want to do something different to what other SANFL clubs do and have done for years then common sense would dictate the need for them to employ their own security.

In regard to the design of Prospect and changerooms there is a current proposal for change. Mind you there have been about 5 proposals for change this century and they usally fall over at council or other government levels.

[Wedgie]

Also mal, I commend you on your foresight and proactiveness. Too often in the past things have only changed or had new measures employed in a reactive manner after an occurance has happened. I admire your vision.

Now, even though it hasn't happened in the past I'd like your views on how the SANFL can improve their security in the event of extra terristials landing at a ground during a game attempting to make contact with the human race, I have real concerns about this unlikely but possible occurance.
Thoughts?

[am Bays]

I'm with you Dreb, sorry mal I do appreciate your concerns for the welfare of the GFC players though.

[Pseudo]

From memory there was a Norwood Supporter escorted from the ground at 3 qtr time of the game we played at the Parade this year. He was verbally abusing his own players at the huddle.

That wasn't a Norwood fan, it was Trevor Hill

[Pseudo]

Now, even though it hasn't happened in the past I'd like your views on how the SANFL can improve their security in the event of extra terristials landing at a ground during a game attempting to make contact with the human race, I have real concerns about this unlikely but possible occurance.
Thoughts?

Put black and white scarves on them and they'd just blend in with the crowd

[Wedgie]

Now, even though it hasn't happened in the past I'd like your views on how the SANFL can improve their security in the event of extra terristials landing at a ground during a game attempting to make contact with the human race, I have real concerns about this unlikely but possible occurance.
Thoughts?

Put black and white scarves on them and they'd just blend in with the crowd

Bit harsh on ET there mate!

[mal]

games

SUMMARY
Irrespective of what if and what is, my opinion is that all SANFL players at all times must be protected by security.
That 2 Glenelg players could come of the ground within a prescribed time and have no security is not good enough or a security oversight

Perhaps it isn't, perhaps security are advised to escort the main playing group off before the 2nd siren?
If players decide to come off in pairs before the 2nd siren we'd need to have 21 security guards for each team.
Common sense would dictate security may have done the right thing. If Glenelg want to do something different to what other SANFL clubs do and have done for years then common sense would dictate the need for them to employ their own security.

In regard to the design of Prospect and changerooms there is a current proposal for change. Mind you there have been about 5 proposals for change this century and they usally fall over at council or other government levels.

If its common sense for security not to offer security to players coming off b4 the 2nd siren.
Then
Would it also be common sense for security to offer security to players coming off after the 2nd siren ????


You've been an advocate of sides only deserving security if they abide and come off b4 the 2nd siren.
Be consistent and admit that players who come off b4 the 2nd siren deserve security.

You cant have it both ways.

[Wedgie]

If its common sense for security not to offer security to players coming off b4 the 2nd siren.
Then
Would it also be common sense for security to offer security to players coming off after the 2nd siren ????

Yes and no.
It would be common sense for players to come off as a group and before the 2nd siren and in that case they should definately have security as per current protocol which seems to work well.
Or the League perhaps look at a special arrangement for one club that comes off later than others, common sense would dictate the club involved sits down with the SANFL and organises this beforehand and that they are proactive like you are mal.

I'm not having it both ways, if the security company involved have a protocol to escort the majority of players off before the 2nd siren then anything outside that is open to receive no security (ie minorities or after the siren happenings).
All common sense and straight forward I would have thought.

[mal]

Wedgie
Can we agree on one thing ?
That there needs to be a concerted effort by whomever or by whatever means to have players protected at all times?

Irrespective of the pros and cons the rules opinions etc etc etc
If at 3/4 time in the SANFL we have ropes and an abundance of security then surely there has to be a '''''solution''''' as to what happened on Sunday.
Security is there for hours protecting players, crowd supporters etc etc and for the sake of a handful of minutes after a game there is no protection for some players ???
Forget about the issues/facts/common sense we have yo yoed back at each other

The most important thing is something must be done.
Prevention is better than cure .