Coach Of The Year & Team Of The Year

[Big Phil]

Mouse probably hasn't had the impact in games played this season as per previous years. Plus he has missed a few with injury or general soreness, so he missed out in my side.

[Squawk]

Mouse probably hasn't had the impact in games played this season as per previous years.

And isn't that exactly the debate that was had around selection of the state team, by the Phantom selectors?

[G]

Havent seen much of Port this year but has Ah Chee had that good a season ?
I gained the impression he was slightly down on the previous few years.

[Big Phil]

Havent seen much of Port this year but has Ah Chee had that good a season ?
I gained the impression he was slightly down on the previous few years.

Probably is down in previous seasons, in part due to Port's poor season, but with Brett Zorzi spending the majority of the year on ball for Norwood, Yves Sibenaler having an okay year for the Dogs (but missed a month with a hammy) and Wayde Mills at Glenelg having an okay season without being a real standout, I reckon Ah Chee just gets the gig ahead of the others, perhaps a little on reputation but like I said, you know what you are going to get with him and he has that added flexibility.

[redandblack]

Good effort with your team, BP, but I agree with some posters about AhChee. I've only seen him a few times and he hasn't played as much at full back as previous years, I'd guess. He's been OK up forward, but I think he's dropped off a lot this year. Port had Lokan and Thurgood as their main defenders last Saturday (?) and I think Thurgood has been much better than AhChee this year. I think that's a 'reputation' selection.

I agree, though, that there have been no stand-out full backs, except when Ferguson has played there , but he's a shoe-in for CHB.

[Wedgie]

I bet Ahchee has played more games at Full Back than White has at CHF.

[am Bays]

In the spirit of put up or shut up and also in acknowledgement that most of Phils side is pretty good,

FF C O'Sullivan B Chambers R Kirkby
HF J Ezard D White T Gum
CL B O'Hara B Zorzi B Murray
HB L Pannozzo R Ferguson M Broadbent
FB B Murphy W Mills M Coad

1R J Meiklejohn J Sheedy J Allen

INT T Cranston, I Callinan (too good a player to leave despite the games he's missed), S Dutschke

Apologies to B Warren, C Ah Chee, B Davies, R Archard, K McGregor, M Wright and P Thomas (if he's played the full season he'd be a definate) but only allowed three on the bench

And no Mouse here either?

Players who miss significant parts of the season like Mouse, Ty Allen, Thomas and Sibenalar IMO need to to have stand out seasons whilst playing (like Callinan). To make teams of the year which IMO should reward best players in positions, flexibility ahs nothing to do with it as this team will neve play so you don't have to worry about positional changes.

[Grahaml]

For those people who think the coach of the year should be the premiership coach, why don't you also want the team of the year to be the premiership team?

Just a comment on Ben Fisher being in the team for his tagging, I personally don't think taggers should get in on that alone. If he cuts a bloke out while still being an effective attacking player then fair enough, but I think this sort of honour should be for the blokes who make the play.

[Wedgie]

For those people who think the coach of the year should be the premiership coach, why don't you also want the team of the year to be the premiership team?

A very good question and one I hadn't really considered before. Probably because in a lot of people's opinion the bloke who's taken a side to the premiership is the best out of 9 coaches.
The argument for the bloke (for eg) at full forward in a premiership team who has kicked 15 goals for the year and none in the GF being the best FF when another has kicked over 100 in a crap side would be a bit harder to make though.
I do get your point though as in theory the best coach is the one that get the most out of his team.
If his team should come 9th all things considered and yet a coach through great coaching somehow gets them to the finals then it would probably be argued he's done a better job than a coach with a team with all the resources to come top does so.
Its a bit blurred these days with a lot of coahes taking on a lot more of the management side of things too.

I know if next year South dont recruit heavily and a coach takes them to a Grand Final and Roy Laird also took Central to a Grand Final I'd regard the best coaching effort of that year to be the South coach. Not going to happen though, is it?

[wycbloods]

For those people who think the coach of the year should be the premiership coach, why don't you also want the team of the year to be the premiership team?

Just a comment on Ben Fisher being in the team for his tagging, I personally don't think taggers should get in on that alone. If he cuts a bloke out while still being an effective attacking player then fair enough, but I think this sort of honour should be for the blokes who make the play.

I think it is easy to say the premiership coach is the best coach, no doubt sometimes they are but frankly it isn't a easy task to take a side who has "won" 4 spoons in a row to being a chance for a finals berth this late in the season. The premiership coach has obviously done well but it is fair to say they have more ability at their disposal. Laird, Mickan or Norman would've been doing well to get westies where they are now, in the same amount of time, if the had the same players and other resources as Collins has had at his disposal.

No doubt Norman and Laird have done very well this year but they both have come into a successful environment and have modified it slightly to have their touch on it but the job Mickan and Collins has done is equally as tough and deserves recognition in these types of awards IMHO.

[redandblack]

For those people who think the coach of the year should be the premiership coach, why don't you also want the team of the year to be the premiership team?

Just a comment on Ben Fisher being in the team for his tagging, I personally don't think taggers should get in on that alone. If he cuts a bloke out while still being an effective attacking player then fair enough, but I think this sort of honour should be for the blokes who make the play.

I agree with that in general and I don't think Ben Fisher would be in a Team of the Year, but for the record Ben has had a great season at half-back and has only been used as a tagger on a few occasions.

[bosvit]

Personally I don't understand why the premiership coach should automatically get the coach of the year. If that is the case why bother having it?

Shouldn't it be renamed Premiership Coach of the Year.

I think the award should go to the coach who has gotten the most out of his list. And at the moment that would have to be between Mickan and Collins with Norman around the mark.

Mickan certainly should have won it last year (sorry no idea who did), and if the Bays were to win the flag he would be a very deserving winner, no matter where West or Sturt finish (well if West made the GF from bottom.... ).