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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby beenreal » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:43 pm

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beenreal wrote:I'm starting to wonder whether the aggression has more to do with unfulfilled ambition. No doubt when he was recruited to the club in 2005, his head was filled with promises of an imminent Premiership under Jack or Tim Ginever.

As he has never won a Flag, at 28 he may be becoming frustrated at the chance slipping away.


Could well be the problem with the rest of the side too, to bigger expectations placed on them because of their past history.


I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby NO-MERCY » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:16 pm

beenreal wrote:
NO-MERCY wrote:
beenreal wrote:I'm starting to wonder whether the aggression has more to do with unfulfilled ambition. No doubt when he was recruited to the club in 2005, his head was filled with promises of an imminent Premiership under Jack or Tim Ginever.

As he has never won a Flag, at 28 he may be becoming frustrated at the chance slipping away.


Could well be the problem with the rest of the side too, to bigger expectations placed on them because of their past history.


I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.


Why is that?
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby FOOTY TALK » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:18 pm

beenreal wrote:
NO-MERCY wrote:
beenreal wrote:I'm starting to wonder whether the aggression has more to do with unfulfilled ambition. No doubt when he was recruited to the club in 2005, his head was filled with promises of an imminent Premiership under Jack or Tim Ginever.

As he has never won a Flag, at 28 he may be becoming frustrated at the chance slipping away.


Could well be the problem with the rest of the side too, to bigger expectations placed on them because of their past history.


I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.


will you be part of any future goings on at alberton
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby beenreal » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:12 am

NO-MERCY wrote:I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.


Why is that?[/quote]

Sorry for the delay, I've been in Melbourne for the weekend. Missed the Westies game, what a shame? :toimonster:

With impending changes to both the salary cap and number of imports, those clubs that develop their juniors will be in the box seat. Port Adelaide is doing that better than most and more importantly has a head start on most other clubs.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby NO-MERCY » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:14 pm

beenreal wrote:
NO-MERCY wrote:I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.


Why is that?


Sorry for the delay, I've been in Melbourne for the weekend. Missed the Westies game, what a shame? :toimonster:

With impending changes to both the salary cap and number of imports, those clubs that develop their juniors will be in the box seat. Port Adelaide is doing that better than most and more importantly has a head start on most other clubs.[/quote]


I'm not to sure about that beenreal, i'd like to know what Port spend on the Claytons, Micklejons, Elstones, Pasqualies & you can put Waterhouse in that as he was a listed player for 2009 & only came back after bidding his way with North & Port, its not as though they havn't recruited imports to the club, what about the Bowes, Youngs, Bechmanns & a couple of others that don't cut it at this level, what a waste of money.
As far as the juniors North Adelaide have alot of their U\18s playing reserves & League footy thats why they are bottom in the 18s, West must be doing something right climbing the ladder at League level & their 18s beating Port on saturday.
Sturts right up there in the League, Reserves & 18s, same with Glenelg & both their U\18s will be getting their college kids back by finals which will make them stronger so i can't see how you can say with such confidence Port are ahead of the field in the junior development programs.
By those calculations i believe 4 other clubs are ahead of them & your forgetting where Ports League side is currently positioned compared to those clubs. :roll:
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Postby beenreal » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:07 pm

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With impending changes to both the salary cap and number of imports, those clubs that develop their juniors will be in the box seat. Port Adelaide is doing that better than most and more importantly has a head start on most other clubs.


I'm not to sure about that beenreal, i'd like to know what Port spend on the Claytons, Micklejons, Elstones, Pasqualies & you can put Waterhouse in that as he was a listed player for 2009 & only came back after bidding his way with North & Port, its not as though they havn't recruited imports to the club, what about the Bowes, Youngs, Bechmanns & a couple of others that don't cut it at this level, what a waste of money.
As far as the juniors North Adelaide have alot of their U\18s playing reserves & League footy thats why they are bottom in the 18s, West must be doing something right climbing the ladder at League level & their 18s beating Port on saturday.
Sturts right up there in the League, Reserves & 18s, same with Glenelg & both their U\18s will be getting their college kids back by finals which will make them stronger so i can't see how you can say with such confidence Port are ahead of the field in the junior development programs.
By those calculations i believe 4 other clubs are ahead of them & your forgetting where Ports League side is currently positioned compared to those clubs. :roll:[/quote]

Those first names are now the creme of the recruiting crop, and no doubt are on good and well deserved coin. The salary cap is only dropping by 10K and none of them will be listed as imports.

The other "recruits" approached the club to play and probably only Young and Barham has shown any talent to be persevered with.

Overall I wouldn't hold North up as an example, as their league side is about as good as their U18s at the moment.

I'm only interested in Port. The U18s have had a couple of down weeks but are still sitting 2nd. The Reserves are 3rd and made up of 80% juniors. And I'd love to see the League side making an impact, but with 13 on the park with an average of 10 games or less, all I (and Tim) want to see, is getting some games under their collective belts this year.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby NO-MERCY » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:32 pm

Norths League side is about as good as their U\18s.. :roll:
Norths League side is in the 5 their U\18s are bottom, the League & Reserves sides are made up of alot of 18s. if the club chose to leave those players in the 18s instead of quickening their development by selecting them in the seniors Norths 18s would probably be top.
I want to see Port more competitive than what they are but i think your stats are way over the top & to me sound more like an excuse for the Leagues failures. Its great they are playing some young ones but 13 on the park with 10 games or less in the League side for Port ?? :roll:
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby beenreal » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:04 am

NO-MERCY wrote:Norths League side is about as good as their U\18s.. :roll:
Norths League side is in the 5 their U\18s are bottom, the League & Reserves sides are made up of alot of 18s. if the club chose to leave those players in the 18s instead of quickening their development by selecting them in the seniors Norths 18s would probably be top.
I want to see Port more competitive than what they are but i think your stats are way over the top & to me sound more like an excuse for the Leagues failures. Its great they are playing some young ones but 13 on the park with 10 games or less in the League side for Port ?? :roll:


I'll leave it up to you to research the junior players NM if you're interested.

North Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, etc. are starting from a much higher base as far as players and recruiting are concerned. And to be blunt, that all comes down to $$ which Port do not have at the moment.

I will point my finger at previous management for sitting on their laurels and thinking it will just happen. The direction change from about 3 years ago, including the return of Bob Clayton is starting to bear fruit. But it will take time.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby NO-MERCY » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:54 pm

beenreal wrote:
NO-MERCY wrote:Norths League side is about as good as their U\18s.. :roll:
Norths League side is in the 5 their U\18s are bottom, the League & Reserves sides are made up of alot of 18s. if the club chose to leave those players in the 18s instead of quickening their development by selecting them in the seniors Norths 18s would probably be top.
I want to see Port more competitive than what they are but i think your stats are way over the top & to me sound more like an excuse for the Leagues failures. Its great they are playing some young ones but 13 on the park with 10 games or less in the League side for Port ?? :roll:


I'll leave it up to you to research the junior players NM if you're interested.

North Adelaide, Glenelg, Centrals, etc. are starting from a much higher base as far as players and recruiting are concerned. And to be blunt, that all comes down to $$ which Port do not have at the moment.

I will point my finger at previous management for sitting on their laurels and thinking it will just happen. The direction change from about 3 years ago, including the return of Bob Clayton is starting to bear fruit. But it will take time.


Port don't have $dollars$ :roll: well wheres the money coming from for J Clayton & Co?
Whether their listed as imports or not they still come under the salary cap, your probably better of freeing up some cash & get rid of the ones that are on excessive $$$. ( Clayton )
Who are you referring to as to the previous management sitting on their arses?
Clayton come in 5 years ago now & i heard him on radio 5AA back then declaring the bright future will see success in 3 years well i & alot more are waiting, with our shades ready! I'm sick of the excuses & waiting for your tree to bear fruit coz it aint gonna with all the OLD SCHOOL still there.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby FOOTY TALK » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:59 am

beenreal wrote:
NO-MERCY wrote:
beenreal wrote:I'm starting to wonder whether the aggression has more to do with unfulfilled ambition. No doubt when he was recruited to the club in 2005, his head was filled with promises of an imminent Premiership under Jack or Tim Ginever.

As he has never won a Flag, at 28 he may be becoming frustrated at the chance slipping away.


Could well be the problem with the rest of the side too, to bigger expectations placed on them because of their past history.


I remember Russell Ebert saying that during the 65-77 drought, he got thoroughly sick and tired of hearing about the club history. I have no doubt many of the current crop feel the same way. But that despair wont last much longer.


I think youll find that this drought has some time to run yet, might
need to get some extra large rain water tanks down at Alberton. Not
sure you can compare this drought to the 65 to 77 drought. Just did
some research. With premierships in 65 & 77 here is the ladder positions
in the years in between. 2,2,2,6,3,2,2,5,3,3 & 2. Only twice missed out
on Prelims. Im sure your current crop of heros would just love to be a
part of a finals campaign again, let alone win a flag. Maybe what the
Alberton crowd needs is a great big broom.
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby NO-MERCY » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:48 pm

Very impressed with your homework FOOTY TALK! ;)
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Re: Jeremy Clayton

Postby FOOTY TALK » Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:57 pm

NO-MERCY wrote:Very impressed with your homework FOOTY TALK! ;)


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