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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:42 am

am Bays wrote:
wycbloods wrote:Fancy a test match only lasting possibly 7 sessions. That is bloody terrible by the Poms. Great to see all 4 bowlers have made a significant contribution in this game. All looks well heading into the final and deciding test.

They simply can't drop one of these bowlers for Lee after this performance.

Unchanged into the next test for me.


Adelaide 98-99, admitedly it dis last 3 overs into the 8th session....

AH, ask Gillespie if he rates nightwatchmen. The nightwatchman position has enabled him to say to, Flipper, Boof, Blewett, Mark Waugh, etc, "So what's your highest test score?"


Read my comments again, I've already covered that. My comments weren't directed at Gillespie's abilities, it was about night watchmen in particular, how about thinking before posting? And what is about some people on this forum who think you can't make an observation about something unless you've "played Test cricket". Get real, and make sure YOU don't pass any judgements in future because I'm guessing you haven't played Test cricket either.

Oh .. and by the way ... Gillespie was dropped after making that score.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:01 am

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I notice people have made comment on night watchmen, so here's my 20 cents' worth. IMHO, the night watchman has proven time and again to be a failed and futile exercise. People may point out the odd time it has worked, but it fails at least 95% of the time ... so why bother?

Even if the tail ender survives the evening (a lot of times they don't), they are out early the next day, and all it has achieved is to upset the batting order. Australia did it with Gillespie, and although some people thought it worked, it meant Gilchrist was coming in at 8 with little to follow. Not smart.

And sending out Anderson to protect Prior and Broad is an absolute joke.


I wholeheartedly agree with these comments ... I don't know why captains persist with them, but most seem to have used them from time to time (including the Aussies). To back up your comments AH, I think it actually helps the bowling side by giving them much more chance of getting another wicket in a crisis and therefore inflicting more pain.

To me it's like hoisting the white flag.

... and yes, there have been some successes, like Gillespie's 200 against ... yep, Bangladesh, and he was dropped after that Test!, but in the vast majority of cases, an absolute unnecessary thing to do IMO.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby am Bays » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:04 am

Steady on AH that post was in jest.....

FFS I know enough enough about cricket to know that barely half a dozen decent scores by a night-watchman since 1877 justifies a tactic...

Like you I am aware of the banter that occcured on Dizzys return from Bangladesh when he was able to have a chat with some former SA based test players...

And yes I do know that was Gillespie's last test innings, not a bad way to go out eh??? Only time I was aware a vice-captain was going to over-rule a captain and declare if he didn't. Gilchrist's was next on the list at 204...
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:05 am

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
dedja wrote:And it's goodnight from Headingly.

Sleep well Poms ... and Rebecca.


Maybe what we need now is for the Aussie cricketers to write an article about Rebecca Wilson's journalistic "talents" .. or lack thereof. I've often wondered how journalists would like it if they became publicly ridiculed, and their integrity questioned. Not very much would be my guess.


No need AH, these type of 'journos' discredit themselves by what they write ... it's a win, win situation for mine. :lol:

Look at the likes of Hutchy, he's a universal joke amongst the football fraternity ... that's good enough punishment for me. ;)
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:08 am

am Bays wrote:Steady on AH that post was in jest.....

FFS I know enough enough about cricket to know that barely half a dozen decent scores by a night-watchman justifies a tactic...

Like you I am aware of the banter that occcured on Dizzys return from Bangladesh when he was able to have a chat with some former SA based test players...


LOL, that's the best part of Dizzy's double ton, the shite he gives some recognised test batsmen that didn't do it! :lol:

Apparently when he made that score, he kept saying when he passed the highest scores of Junior and the like ... great stuff.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby mal » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:41 am

AU 445
EG 15/184
Can England avoid the follow on...
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:45 am

mal wrote:AU 445
EG 15/184
Can England avoid the follow on...


Are we allowed to offer them another innings for double or nothing? ... might just have enough time for it :-s
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby mal » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:56 am

Englands gun scorer has failed disMALly this game
1st innings 5
2nd innings 0

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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby rod_rooster » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:12 pm

am Bays wrote:
wycbloods wrote:Fancy a test match only lasting possibly 7 sessions. That is bloody terrible by the Poms. Great to see all 4 bowlers have made a significant contribution in this game. All looks well heading into the final and deciding test.

They simply can't drop one of these bowlers for Lee after this performance.

Unchanged into the next test for me.


Adelaide 98-99, admitedly it dis last 3 overs into the 8th session....

AH, ask Gillespie if he rates nightwatchmen. The nightwatchman position has enabled him to say to, Flipper, Boof, Blewett, Mark Waugh, etc, "So what's your highest test score?"


and Blewett's answer would be "higher than yours".
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby wycbloods » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:24 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
am Bays wrote:
wycbloods wrote:Fancy a test match only lasting possibly 7 sessions. That is bloody terrible by the Poms. Great to see all 4 bowlers have made a significant contribution in this game. All looks well heading into the final and deciding test.

They simply can't drop one of these bowlers for Lee after this performance.

Unchanged into the next test for me.


Adelaide 98-99, admitedly it dis last 3 overs into the 8th session....

AH, ask Gillespie if he rates nightwatchmen. The nightwatchman position has enabled him to say to, Flipper, Boof, Blewett, Mark Waugh, etc, "So what's your highest test score?"


and Blewett's answer would be "higher than yours".


Good pick up RR. Was his against SA. 214?
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby am Bays » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:29 pm

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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby LBT » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:42 pm

Meanwhile, Aussie fanatics have claimed to have been behind a fire alarm prank at the England team hotel on the eve of the test match. IIRC this happened to the Aussie team in 2005.
Bill Rothfield The Courier Mail
August 09, 2009 12:00am

AUSTRALIAN cricket fans have claimed responsibility for a hotel fire alarm that roused the England team from their beds the morning of their batting collapse on the first day of the fourth Ashes Test at Headingley.

Pictures: Fourth Ashes Test day 1


The Fanatics – Australian supporters who follow the Test team around the world – claim they set off the fire alarm at the Radisson Hotel in Leeds about 4.30am on Friday. England's Test team was evacuated with other guests and staff while two fire engines from West Yorkshire Fire Service searched the premises for the source of the alarm.

Players were left standing in the street in their pyjamas for more than 20 minutes until the all-clear was given for them to return to their beds.

English spinner Graham Swann wrote on his Twitter site: "Fire alarm? Brilliant!!!"

Just hours later they travelled to Headingley where they were shot out for a paltry 102 after winning the toss.

Australia's Test team is staying at another hotel.

Warren Livingston, head of the Fanatics, told The Sunday Mail one of the 100-strong group had managed to set the alarm off with the intention of disrupting the English team's sleep, saying it was "good old fashioned Aussie high jinks".

"Yes it was one of our guys who did it as a bit of a prank," Mr Livingston said yesterday. "I got a text message after it happened.

"At first I thought, 'good onya', we're just doing our bit for Australia," Mr Livingston said from the UK.

"But I can't condone this sort of thing. I don't want any trouble.

"We've all had a big laugh and it might have made a difference to the way they batted."

If the claim is found to be true, English cricket fans and authorities will not view the situation with any humour.

But British media reports say the alarm may have been set off by a guest who had rinsed her underwear in a bathroom sink and then left it close to a lightbulb to dry.

When the underwear started to smoulder, the woman was reported to have thrown it back in the sink, but not before the room had filled with smoke and the fire alarm went off.

England's wicket-keeper Matt Prior blamed the incident for his team's batting collapse.

"I don't know how long we were outside the hotel," he said. "I think I was sleepwalking. It wasn't ideal.

I think anyone would be slightly miffed at 5am standing in the rain with no shoes on. It's not an excuse but there were a few grumpy people around complaining they had been woken up at 5am."

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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby CoverKing » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:21 pm

Gillespie's highest score is one more then the great Steve Waugh aswell!
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby wycbloods » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:43 pm

Ok guys how long will it take us to get the final five wickets?

5 overs

10 overs

15 overs

20 overs+

I will go for 15 overs Johnson to continue on his merry way and end up with 6 fa bugger all.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby Gozu » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:37 pm

It was great to see Johnson back bowling with venom like that last night. Totally different bowler to what we saw in the first couple of Tests and if he keeps it up we'd be a real good chance to wrap up the series at The Oval 2-1. I agree with others there's no way we can pick Lee now even if fit for the 5th Test.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby Gozu » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:22 pm

Jarrod Kimber on last night's play:

Ashes 09: England Self Flagellate

August 9, 2009 – 8:21 am, by Jarrod Kimber

As a cricket writer watching a day’s play you generally take notes as it goes. Things that happened that interested you at various times, stats that stick out, perhaps some interesting quip you or someone else came up with. Anything that will help you write up the day.

For some reason I only wrote one note today, and I wrote it about 12 minutes into play.

“England are shit again today.”

I kept watching the cricket waiting for England to show some form of hardness. They didn’t. Stuart Broad and a handy opening partnership was the best they could muster when what they needed was the best day of their Ashes campaign.

They started by bowling short, ignoring their spinner and looking uninspired.

They ended by batacide and then having a panic attack that is usually only seen in bad horror films.

England made so many mistakes it is hard to know if Australia played well. They essentially bowled themselves out of a game they were supposedly desperate to keep themselves in.

And then when the Australian innings mercifully came to a close, England’s openers set up a foundation only for them to jump out of the tree house when someone shouted ghost.

Australia’s pressure had to be part of it, but the rate that England collapsed seemed to point to deep-rooted problems with their psyche. Even the scientologists would knock these guys back. Kinetics can only do so much. Losing 5 for 20 on a pitch that Australia just strolled to over 400 on is a special kind of wrong.

It was only one test ago that Mitchell Johnson looked like the player with mental issues. Today, thanks to England, he looked like an angry tiger in the afternoon session. Had Marcus North held onto a catch off Matt Prior (Jimmy Anderson was being a non striking nightwatchman) Mitchell could have ripped the rest of them out with what was a spell of 100% brutality.

Earlier Michael Clarke cashed in on some of the poorest bowling I have seen from professional cricketers, but he eventually went out in the 90s. Marcus North took over and went on to make his 3rd test century.

The biggest surprise of the day wasn’t that England put in a sub-test performance, but that Stuart Broad took 6 wickets. It wasn’t brilliant spell, but he was the only bowler who looked capable of taking wickets. England would be pleased with this, and NOTHING ELSE.

I am going to end the post here, not because I haven’t got more to say, but because I am pissed I have already put more effort into this than England did today.
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:26 pm

LBT wrote:Meanwhile, Aussie fanatics have claimed to have been behind a fire alarm prank at the England team hotel on the eve of the test match. IIRC this happened to the Aussie team in 2005.


LOL, I read that this morning ... must have been traumatic for the Poms as it's put them off for 2 days. ;)
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:27 pm

wycbloods wrote:Ok guys how long will it take us to get the final five wickets?

5 overs

10 overs

15 overs

20 overs+

I will go for 15 overs Johnson to continue on his merry way and end up with 6 fa bugger all.


Fair call ... that would mean about an hour. :D
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby Squawk » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:34 pm

The Aussies will want to be done by lunch time. That will mean they can play golf in the afternoon! ;)
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Re: 4th Ashes Test Aust V Eng @ Headingly, Leeds

Postby FD88 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:13 pm

Hilfy is a modern marvel tbqh. ;)
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