Changes to the Salary Cap

[am Bays]

My main concern with this move, which incidentally wasn't supported by all clubs just a 'majority', is that next time pressure comes to drop the cap or restrict 'imports' it'll get easier and easier for the Commission to do as it's been done before. By chipping away at the standard and the status of the SANFL it sets us on a slippery slope towards the WAFL or the VFL as barely noticeable feeder leagues for the AFL.

That this has happened in a year where the SANFL has bailed out the comically inept and criminally mismanaged Port Power is enough to make you weep.

Whilst I can understand where the SANFL is coming from I think Topsy has hit the nail on the head, it is such a bitter pill to swallow that we the SANFL competition have to suffer becuase of the ineptitude of a bunch of num nuts based in the suburb of Alberton.

[The Sleeping Giant]

redandblack, if you are going to demand facts fit a persons argument, how about posting some facts about clubs 'rorting' the system? Or is it just that your club can't afford to 'rort' the system at the moment, so other clubs need to be dragged down to West's level?

Oh yeah, terrible move by the SANFL. Maybe the commissioners should be renamed the "SANFL SUBMISSIONERS". Another nail in the SANFL's coffin.

[Pseudo]

My main concern with this move, which incidentally wasn't supported by all clubs just a 'majority', is that next time pressure comes to drop the cap or restrict 'imports' it'll get easier and easier for the Commission to do as it's been done before. By chipping away at the standard and the status of the SANFL it sets us on a slippery slope towards the WAFL or the VFL as barely noticeable feeder leagues for the AFL.

That this has happened in a year where the SANFL has bailed out the comically inept and criminally mismanaged Port Power is enough to make you weep.

Whilst I can understand where the SANFL is coming from I think Topsy has hit the nail on the head, it is such a bitter pill to swallow that we the SANFL competition have to suffer becuase of the ineptitude of a bunch of num nuts based in the suburb of Alberton.

... and the ineptitude - or is it simply malevolence? - of the wackers who run the AFL. It wouldn't be so bad if they'd stick to running their own league, and butt out of SANFL affairs.

[UK Fan]

Well yet again the Hondos win and the SANFL gets screwed over.

What are you on about?

Hondo = AFL.

My main concern with this move, which incidentally wasn't supported by all clubs just a 'majority', is that next time pressure comes to drop the cap or restrict 'imports' it'll get easier and easier for the Commission to do as it's been done before. By chipping away at the standard and the status of the SANFL it sets us on a slippery slope towards the WAFL or the VFL as barely noticeable feeder leagues for the AFL.

That this has happened in a year where the SANFL has bailed out the comically inept and criminally mismanaged Port Power is enough to make you weep.

Whilst I can understand where the SANFL is coming from I think Topsy has hit the nail on the head, it is such a bitter pill to swallow that we the SANFL competition have to suffer becuase of the ineptitude of a bunch of num nuts based in the suburb of Alberton.

Couldn't agree more. So the SANFL commision has destroyed the U19 & U17s , and reduced reserves payments in the last 2 seasons. All in the name to increase the focus on junior developement. Not just cos they pandered to the AwFuL.

Good to see they have their finger on the pulse and doing this to benefit the competition in the long run.

What a crock of sh*t.

[redden whites]

Hondo = AFL.

TRIPE......give the guy a break.He has put forward his points well on other threads, especially with the home truths regarding the reality of the finances. Pro AFL I don't think so.....pro reality I know so.

[Squawk]

I think everyone would agree that junior development has always been a priority. Why do the SANFL have to encourage clubs to do more (and "motivate" them with reduced player payments?). If this is a big issue, can anyone advise what the VFL and WAFL will be doing to encourage junior development?

Also, was an AFL funding linked to this change of policy?

[redden whites]

Not happy with this development at all........

[drebin]

A couple more clubs this year post losses and the knives will be out again to slash club expenditure and this first lot of changes may only be the start of a slow decline / change into the SANFL becoming just another AFL Feeder League.

Develop local talent only to see them be drafted into the AFL and lost to the SANFL and restrictions on imports who in the main replace the talent lost, so where do we get the remainder of players to top up the SANFL Club lists?

It is a knee jerk over reaction and those clubs that agreed to this should hang their heads in shame for bowing to the pressure. It is time the SANFL clubs (or some) united properly instead of bickering and finger pointing at certain clubs and stand up to the likes of Whicker, Chandler and the Commission.

[Wedgie]

Be interesting to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently.

Super is at every Glenelg home game pending his business requirements so just about all of 'em. Is that enough ?

Umm no, hence why I asked "to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently." not "the total number of home games 1 commissioner has just about been to recently".
Sorry, I thought I made that clear.

[redandblack]

redandblack, if you are going to demand facts fit a persons argument, how about posting some facts about clubs 'rorting' the system? Or is it just that your club can't afford to 'rort' the system at the moment, so other clubs need to be dragged down to West's level?

Oh yeah, terrible move by the SANFL. Maybe the commissioners should be renamed the "SANFL SUBMISSIONERS". Another nail in the SANFL's coffin.

Good to hear from you again, TSG.

Facts are that several clubs have been found guilty of salary cap breaches in recent years.

Fact is that one club last year was found guilty of a breach relating to the extra payments I referred to.

Fact is that the Commission has seen fit to take away these payments.

Fact is that I'm happy at West's level this year and I'm looking forward to next year.

What isn't fact is your opinion that it's another nail in the SANFL's coffin. That's just opinion.

What I would like the doomsayers to tell us is how you would deal with the AFL. I'm sure your attitude of 'we'll go it alone and do what we want' will bring certain victory

I'm sure the AFL would just roll over and surrender and not even consider any punitive action.

Fact also is that the WAFL bought in a points system for players and its crowds are way up this year.

[doggies4eva]

What I don't understand is if this is for prudent financial management issues then why doesn't the AFL lower its slary cap - There are quite a few AFL clubs in trouble financially!

[Wedgie]

What I don't understand is if this is for prudent financial management issues then why doesn't the AFL lower its slary cap - There are quite a few AFL clubs in trouble financially!

Because it would reward the incompetent clubs and give them no incentive to improve themselves, plus the AFL Players association would be up in arms.
And why bother when they can just get the SANFL to throw 5 million at one of them.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Good to hear from you again, TSG.

Facts are that several clubs have been found guilty of salary cap breaches in recent years.

Fact is that one club last year was found guilty of a breach relating to the extra payments I referred to.

Fact is that the Commission has seen fit to take away these payments.

Fact is that I'm happy at West's level this year and I'm looking forward to next year.

What isn't fact is your opinion that it's another nail in the SANFL's coffin. That's just opinion.

What I would like the doomsayers to tell us is how you would deal with the AFL. I'm sure your attitude of 'we'll go it alone and do what we want' will bring certain victory

I'm sure the AFL would just roll over and surrender and not even consider any punitive action.

Fact also is that the WAFL bought in a points system for players and its crowds are way up this year.

So a couple of teams make minor salary cap infringements, and the whole system is being "rorted"? I won't repeat that question 3 times.

Glad to see you are happy that the SANFL standard has dropped enough to make West competitive.

If it isn't another nail in the SANFL coffin, how does reducing player payments, and restricting clubs recruiting a better standard of footballer to play SANFL football, make it a better comp?

And crowds up in the WAFL would have nothing to do with both WA AFL clubs being at the bottom of the ladder.

[wycbloods]

Good to hear from you again, TSG.

Facts are that several clubs have been found guilty of salary cap breaches in recent years.

Fact is that one club last year was found guilty of a breach relating to the extra payments I referred to.

Fact is that the Commission has seen fit to take away these payments.

Fact is that I'm happy at West's level this year and I'm looking forward to next year.

What isn't fact is your opinion that it's another nail in the SANFL's coffin. That's just opinion.

What I would like the doomsayers to tell us is how you would deal with the AFL. I'm sure your attitude of 'we'll go it alone and do what we want' will bring certain victory

I'm sure the AFL would just roll over and surrender and not even consider any punitive action.

Fact also is that the WAFL bought in a points system for players and its crowds are way up this year.

So a couple of teams make minor salary cap infringements, and the whole system is being "rorted"? I won't repeat that question 3 times.

Glad to see you are happy that the SANFL standard has dropped enough to make West competitive.

If it isn't another nail in the SANFL coffin, how does reducing player payments, and restricting clubs recruiting a better standard of footballer to play SANFL football, make it a better comp?

And crowds up in the WAFL would have nothing to do with both WA AFL clubs being at the bottom of the ladder.

So West haven't improved at all TSG. Coming from someone who has probably not seen them play.

[redandblack]

Good to hear from you again, TSG.

Facts are that several clubs have been found guilty of salary cap breaches in recent years.

Fact is that one club last year was found guilty of a breach relating to the extra payments I referred to.

Fact is that the Commission has seen fit to take away these payments.

Fact is that I'm happy at West's level this year and I'm looking forward to next year.

What isn't fact is your opinion that it's another nail in the SANFL's coffin. That's just opinion.

What I would like the doomsayers to tell us is how you would deal with the AFL. I'm sure your attitude of 'we'll go it alone and do what we want' will bring certain victory

I'm sure the AFL would just roll over and surrender and not even consider any punitive action.

Fact also is that the WAFL bought in a points system for players and its crowds are way up this year.

So a couple of teams make minor salary cap infringements, and the whole system is being "rorted"? I won't repeat that question 3 times.

Glad to see you are happy that the SANFL standard has dropped enough to make West competitive.If it isn't another nail in the SANFL coffin, how does reducing player payments, and restricting clubs recruiting a better standard of footballer to play SANFL football, make it a better comp?

And crowds up in the WAFL would have nothing to do with both WA AFL clubs being at the bottom of the ladder.

And you're accusing me of not stating facts?

[Wedgie]

I agree with all of the above, the standard has definately dropped but West have improved, in fact they're the only team that have improved IMHO with all the other teams going backwards or treading water.
TSG's point might be that West's improvement alone might not have been enough for them to have been competitive in previous years where the drop in standard along with West's improvement have combined to make them competitive. He never stated that West hadn't improved.
All conjecture and opinion though.

[Dirko]

Be interesting to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently.

Super is at every Glenelg home game pending his business requirements so just about all of 'em. Is that enough ?

Umm no, hence why I asked "to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently." not "the total number of home games 1 commissioner has just about been to recently".
Sorry, I thought I made that clear.

If you wish to "group" them together go ahead, I was clarifying for you that one of the commissioners attends more SANFL games in a season then you obviously give him credit for. And for all I know he may attend away games too, just as I may not see him doesn't mean he's not there.

[Wedgie]

Be interesting to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently.

Super is at every Glenelg home game pending his business requirements so just about all of 'em. Is that enough ?

Umm no, hence why I asked "to see the total number of SANFL games all of those commissioners have been to recently." not "the total number of home games 1 commissioner has just about been to recently".
Sorry, I thought I made that clear.

If you wish to "group" them together go ahead, I was clarifying for you that one of the commissioners attends more SANFL games in a season then you obviously give him credit for. And for all I know he may attend away games too, just as I may not see him doesn't mean he's not there.

Not at all, I don't care how many SANFL games 1 commissioner might go to as that has nothing to do with my point.

I'm not going to say my family are huge SANFL experts just because I go to just about every home game if the rest of them don't go to any hypothetically speaking.

I thought my point was quite obvious and clear especially if you took in context with the rest of the post.

It'd be good if people could put their club allegiances aside and not just read what they want to and completely miss the point being made. Im certainly not going to get upset just because Jamie Coppins is apart of the commision. Mind you I can't remember the last North game I ever saw him at.

Just as an aside I've seen Graham Cornes at quite a few Bays home games over the years but from what I've heard on the radio he still doesn't have a clue about the SANFL as a whole.

Perhaps PM me SJABC if you have any further queries about my posts so we can perhaps leave this topic on track.
Cheers.

[wycbloods]

I agree with all of the above, the standard has definately dropped but West have improved, in fact they're the only team that have improved IMHO with all the other teams going backwards or treading water.
TSG's point might be that West's improvement alone might not have been enough for them to have been competitive in previous years where the drop in standard along with West's improvement have combined to make them competitive. He never stated that West hadn't improved.
All conjecture and opinion though.

It might be i agree Wedgie but seen as he didn't state that i took it the way i did.

Yes your opinion of the comp not being as high a standard as previous is purely that an opinion, but one that i feel is felt widely, at least i think so anyways.

[Wedgie]

I agree with all of the above, the standard has definately dropped but West have improved, in fact they're the only team that have improved IMHO with all the other teams going backwards or treading water.
TSG's point might be that West's improvement alone might not have been enough for them to have been competitive in previous years where the drop in standard along with West's improvement have combined to make them competitive. He never stated that West hadn't improved.
All conjecture and opinion though.

It might be i agree Wedgie but seen as he didn't state that i took it the way i did.

Yes your opinion of the comp not being as high a standard as previous is purely that an opinion, but one that i feel is felt widely, at least i think so anyways.

That's fair enough mate, he was a bit blunt!

Good luck to the Bloods, it'd be good to have them in the finals this year. North won't make it past the first week so might as well as give their spot to West as it'll give you guys more of a buzz than us and allow me to spend more time in Victoria come finals time like last year!