RD 18 West Defeat South Review

[the tractor]

very short must be suffering from CRAFT

Haha! CRAFT, suffered from that a fair few times on a sundee morn!!!

[CENTURION]

Don't get rid of it, re-invent it! Do what Daryl Hicks did at Centrals all those years ago! New song, new guernsey, corridor football, things aren't working the way they are at the moment & haven't been for ages, like Mr. T says, "Get some Nuts". Question. How old are the majority of members of the board? How old are the majority of the supporters?

[spell_check]

Don't get rid of it, re-invent it! Do what Daryl Hicks did at Centrals all those years ago! New song, new guernsey, corridor football, things aren't working the way they are at the moment & haven't been for ages, like Mr. T says, "Get some Nuts". Question. How old are the majority of members of the board? How old are the majority of the supporters?

That would look alright I reakon, navy blue guernsey with two stripes of white - one smaller than the other.

[FEUNG]

Went through the West line up against South 10 players have come through the junior grades.

[bosvit]

ML are you really that stupid or do you post that rubbish so you can sit back and laugh at the following posts? For your sake and that of your families I hope it is the latter.

From a Westies supporters point of view it was a great game to watch until late into the second quarter.

After that South just made us cringe a bit, then alot. And I mean that 'in the nicest possible way'.

The feeling of no hope no chance etc it all too fresh for so many Westies supporters that the talk soon turned to 'they are where we were' for any one at the ground with a sence of decency. It is easy to kick the coach in the guts but for mine I liked the fact that Clay refused to flood the defence and try and keep a decent structure around the ground. It is the only way you are going to learn a winning style of football. If your hearing is good enough at the 1/4 and 3/4 time huddles you would have heard Collins talking about how important it is to hold structure, not to push too far up the ground when we are under the pump etc.

South looked tired, bone weary tired and sick of loosing. They are young and sadly looked broken which is a hard thing to fix for the club. I know they were kept back in the rooms for an extrodinarily long time after the game, and rightfully so.

They were crap.

But that doesn't mean that they can't improve from where they are. It doesn't mean its all over for them or that they should be reduced to the greatest team in the history of the Great Southern Football League.

[bosvit]

For mine Cockshell was very good for South and that was it really.

Warren had worse delivery than the Zambezi postal service and still managed three, but in saying that he looked flat and flew into every pack he could when on a few occasions protecting his team mate in front of him was the play to make. And lets face it Cupido was rubbish all day, apart from his amazing kicking as usual.

For the improving Bloods. Well its hard to pick when the opposition is caught in the headlights but the Ferg for his discipline, courage and direction down back was sensational. Ezard for pure courage, desperation and honour (by honour I mean he had a few poor decisions go against him and he just shook his head and took it on the chin, too many player give a mouthfull to the umpies IMO). And Morris for his hard work as the team mongrel (every team needs a mongrel) and the ability to take the backlash for fulfillng this role so well.

I gave the club a bit of stress about putting Bennets straight into the league, stating it was a big risk, but it was a gamble that has big dividends, lets hope we can keep him (the drive from Renmark each week is a long and lonely one).

A few posters have given Webb a big wrap but for mine in a dominant team he was underperformed and looked like he was having a bit of a sulk.

Cupido was in #20. I was suggesting to the property steward that he write the word fat on the zero. EG 2 fat yep his old jersey no longer fits (second time for the year) and lets face it he was crap. He has become a fat lazy waddler with a fantastic kick. Get fit and start getting some hard ball gets or go and play amatures where you belong. Your fall from club leader to bleeder in the last 2 months has been amazing.

But for mine the hardest done by player on the field was Brucie Willits.

The number of times his excellent leads were ignored was amazing. He has every right to feel hard done by. Time after time he was ignored for a long range pot shot at goal, or the extra bounce just in case, which usually resulted in a high ball that gave him little or no chance. At least Ryan is doing the hard work and making life a bit easier for his team mates up forward.

We are improving, a long way to go.

[bundy]

ML MIA

[darley16]

Bosvit i agree with your post and thought the same in that Clay didn't flood (which would have been so tempting) and stuck to a structure that had some hope of scoring, albeit not much on the day.

To the Panther brethren cut out the emotive over-reaction of panic buttons, clearouts, change everything etc, that sort of knee jerk response has contributed to our "culture" over previous years. Up until the last 2 weeks poor performances i have been really encouraged by this young list determination over a 6-7 week run which resulteded in some narrow defeats. The reaction of the last 2 weeks from a young side who have had their confidence rattled through dissapointment is evidenced, acceptable no, but understanable. This weeks bye is handy to address confidence issues, the club is not in crisis, this year was always going to be tough. Don't loose the faith.

[panthers 2008]

Darley 16 being south supporters we are used to some average results,and yes I understand we are rebuilding and it will take time,but the team on the park is clearly not up to it at the moment!
As a supporter you take the good with the bad,but to lose the way we did was unacceptable!
Especially after the turd effort against norwood and the promise of a much better effort against west?
I consider myself resonably level headed and try to withhold the silly emotions football can conjure up,but we as a club have to have a good look at this season and address some of the problems to move forward.
Tough calls need to be made on certain players and as loyal as they may have been over the years clearly are well past their best.
If we are to promote youth with the eye to the future do it now,dont play blokes in their mid to late twenties who are clearly only reserves standard players!
If the club fails to attract some new recruits,and I mean ready made league standard players we will be sitting through another season just like this!
No miracle cure for the team I agree but one must be realistic about where we are at!
Seriously no other teams supporters have been through such an extended period of mediocrity.
I am not trying to be a negative twit supporter just stating the "facts".
I am not crowing to sack the coach or any ridiculous thing like that,just that the club must be measured and take ownership and responsibility for the performances on the park.
I have followed the club through thick and thin and always will but isnt it time the supporters,players and club got some joy out of football? Its bloody miserable at the moment!!!

[bosvit]

Panthers 2008 I think the club is taking 'ownership' etal for the loss.

Sampson is certainly taking it very seriously from the amount of time the players were kept back in the change roooms after the game. Ask you poor property stewards about it, they were locked out for a very long time after a day much longer than that of the coaches and players.

You have a very young team on the park already and most of them are undersized physically. They were smashed from pillar to post by Westies on Saturday and I can only assume the same has happened week in week out for quite a while.

Your kids all looked stuffed. Fair enough you have some mid 20's players who are obviously not up to league standard but they need to be in the team at the moment to have some physical presence. Your kids will get smashed even more without them, probably to the point of career ending mental/confidence damage.

You are in year one of a rebuild plan from Sampson, keep the faith and see what progress happens next year.

He deserves 3 years without interferance IMO, just not sure if that is possible with your board etc or not. Certainly wasn't possible at West Adelaide for years, it has only been since we have finally got a CEO that see's his job as being a CEO and not meddling in everything else.

We neglected our country zone to a certain degree until recently and they have responded well to the extra interest and increased communication that is now coming from our club.

It is something that South seem to be trying to work on, that will also take time.

Chopping and changing year in year out hardly ever achieves what it is supposed to. Just look at your own history, Glenelgs before Mickan and Sturt before Carman.

Back your coach or go out and search for the best you can get with conviction like we did with Collins. It costs a lot for a top end coach but it is worth it from a supporters point of view and you guys have a much better cash flow than we do and IMO a great base to build from, too bad it is covered in smoke at this point of time.

[southee]

I dont think you can blame the coach fully....yes, he is part to blame (he took on the job and knew about the pressure of it) but the whole committee and board seem to have their head in the sand.

[panthers 2008]

Bosvit you make some good points 'but' playing blokes who clearly have no future in league football is a waste of everyones time!
There is no point being physically big enough yet totally incapable of making a presence!
Our reserves team is not much chop at the moment yet there are a few blokes who deserve a crack at league level and to be left there for a few weeks!
I can stomach young fellas having a dig and giving 100%,but to watch players who should not be part of our future dishing up rubbish is disheartening!
Coaching is a tough caper and the coaching staff will have to make some tough calls on certain players at seasons end!
Mass recruiting is a path the club do not want to go down and I commend them for that,but selective recruiting of at least four or five ready to go players is essential!

[pale ale]

Bosvit you make some good points 'but' playing blokes who clearly have no future in league football is a waste of everyones time!
There is no point being physically big enough yet totally incapable of making a presence!
Our reserves team is not much chop at the moment yet there are a few blokes who deserve a crack at league level and to be left there for a few weeks!
I can stomach young fellas having a dig and giving 100%,but to watch players who should not be part of our future dishing up rubbish is disheartening!
Coaching is a tough caper and the coaching staff will have to make some tough calls on certain players at seasons end!
Mass recruiting is a path the club do not want to go down and I commend them for that,but selective recruiting of at least four or five ready to go players is essential!

Totally agree, Clay needs to stay on in 2010 recruit 4 to 5 quality recruits and stick with the younger ones and yes identify the 26 to 30 year old guys that arent up to league level and move them on...

[bosvit]

Bosvit you make some good points 'but' playing blokes who clearly have no future in league football is a waste of everyones time!
There is no point being physically big enough yet totally incapable of making a presence!
Our reserves team is not much chop at the moment yet there are a few blokes who deserve a crack at league level and to be left there for a few weeks!
I can stomach young fellas having a dig and giving 100%,but to watch players who should not be part of our future dishing up rubbish is disheartening!
Coaching is a tough caper and the coaching staff will have to make some tough calls on certain players at seasons end!
Mass recruiting is a path the club do not want to go down and I commend them for that,but selective recruiting of at least four or five ready to go players is essential!

Totally agree, Clay needs to stay on in 2010 recruit 4 to 5 quality recruits and stick with the younger ones and yes identify the 26 to 30 year old guys that arent up to league level and move them on...

Absolutely

But what I was refering to was that if you replace those guys with too many kids this year it could be detrimental

But in saying that those mid 20's blokes need to show more commitment than they did on Saturday. One thing is to be beaten while being competetive, it is another to be thrased when you are ball watching.

[am Bays]

I see South have announced another review of the football department following the loss to West on Saturday, ahhh excuse me but didn't Kevin Morris do that not two years ago. Will this new review uncover anything more than what Morris' review did? Will this review be made public???

[southee]

I see South have announced another review of the football department following the loss to West on Saturday, ahhh excuse me but didn't Kevin Morris do that not two years ago. Will this new review uncover anything more than what Morris' review did? Will this review be made public???

Not sure AM Bays but Im sure there will be a review on it.....

[Lunchbox Legend]

I see South have announced another review of the football department following the loss to West on Saturday, ahhh excuse me but didn't Kevin Morris do that not two years ago. Will this new review uncover anything more than what Morris' review did? Will this review be made public???

I'm pretty sure that Morris didn't complete the review that he started........strange that!
I believe that the club is on the right track wanting to use local talent and minimise the number of imports.
However - this takes time
- to do this successfully you need to get the best available players from your feeder leagues (if you only get
second rate players you will only be a second rate club)
South do not appear to realise that they have to work MUCH harder in their zones to get people on side. If they don't put the work into their zones how do they expect to get improved results.
The SAFC environment is quite incestuous. If you do not have a winning culture it is doubtful that appropriate change is going to come from within, but when outside influences (Cahill and Morris?) see a need for change, their tenure is cut short........strange that.
I'm sure that the old saying, "It's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys", may well apply to the situation at South.

[darley16]

Lunchbox, Morris did complete his report and for once and all Cahill was not dismissed, presured, asked to leave etc, etc by the club, he got up and left for petulent reasons all of his own. The club went out of it's way to keep him, please no more misrepresentation re this topic (that includes you Sojourner).

[ball breaker]

I stand by my comments.

To relate the debacle that is South Adelaide Football Club since 1964 to any lean periods my club has endured in its history is totally inappropriate.

In any case North Adelaide premiers 1900, 1902, 1905, 1920, 1930-31, 1949, 1952, 1960, 1971-72, 1987, 1991 (13 total) and Champions of Australia in 1972 versus South Adelaide 1877, 1885, 1892-93, 1895-96, 1898-99, 1935, 1938, 1964 (11 total) surely says it all.

so .... what's your point with the total number of premierships? i'm looking at the end totals 13 to 11 ! not much difference here! I 'THINK' any one in the league could tell you South have struggled since 64! Under what KPI's are you measuring each club. Purely premierships? financial? ....

let's cut the crap ML .... u don't have to be obnoxious ... South IS/HAS and WILL for a while struggle on field. If you can't make logical discussion on this forum then don't bother posting!

To the SAFC (board level) ... it's easy for outsiders to 'look in' and make comments about the club, but it starts from with in, so get to it!! Please

[Sojourner]

Lunchbox, Morris did complete his report and for once and all Cahill was not dismissed, presured, asked to leave etc, etc by the club, he got up and left for petulent reasons all of his own. The club went out of it's way to keep him, please no more misrepresentation re this topic (that includes you Sojourner).

Well aware that he quit D16!