3RD ASHES TEST EG V AU EDGBASTON 2009

[GWW]

Steve Rixon thinks Haddin is the best keeper in Australia, what a surprise

[Adelaide Hawk]

Steve Rixon thinks Haddin is the best keeper in Australia, what a surprise

Could we just stop and contemplate that for a moment. Does that mean we do not have one wicketkeeper playing cricket at any level in Australia who was capable of conceeding less than 31 byes in 2nd Test? Frightening thought if it is true.

Not surprising the comment came from a New South Welshman, they think Australia ends at the New South Wales borders.

[Jimmy_041]

Im of the opinion that in test cricket, you should always select your best keeper and that batting ability should be secondary.

I'm glad i'm not on my own. I would still make the exception for Gilchrist though but he was just a freak. He could have played purely as a batsman as he proved when he took on the number 3 role in India when Ponting was out injured.

Gilly was an opening batsman for NSW before going to WA so he could always bat

[Adelaide Hawk]

Im of the opinion that in test cricket, you should always select your best keeper and that batting ability should be secondary.

I'm glad i'm not on my own. I would still make the exception for Gilchrist though but he was just a freak. He could have played purely as a batsman as he proved when he took on the number 3 role in India when Ponting was out injured.

Gilly was an opening batsman for NSW before going to WA so he could always bat

Correct. And Rod Marsh also played his first season for WA as a number 4 batsman. Gordon Becker was the keeper.

[MightyEagles]

Steve Rixon thinks Haddin is the best keeper in Australia, what a surprise

Could we just stop and contemplate that for a moment. Does that mean we do not have one wicketkeeper playing cricket at any level in Australia who was capable of conceeding less than 31 byes in 2nd Test? Frightening thought if it is true.

Not surprising the comment came from a New South Welshman, they think Australia ends at the New South Wales borders.

And on SBS they say the Manou is the best keeper.

[Hondo]

Modern teams are at a disadvantage if they take the purist route with the wicket keeper. I think they have to be able to bat at a decent level otherwise your tail is too long. Those extra runs offset any extra byes they let through or the occasional missed chance. They still have to be a keeper first but it's up to them to keep their batting skills up. If they don't then they'll stay at grade level. How many state teams have a keeper batting 9 or 10 because they are the best technical keeper?

Look at the best teams of the modern era and their keeper is almost a 7th batsman. It's just the way it is.

[whufc]

Like i said before if the bowlers ball good line and length than no international keeper will let too many byes through. It's only when guys like Johnson start spraying them left right and center that a keeper lets through alot of byes.

If you have a batsmen-keeper that is capable of hitting a century or averaging 40 odd that is way more valauble than a keeper-batsmen who may average 20 and at most save you 10 byes an innings.

Geez if your just going to pick the best keeper im sure there are guys playing district cricket around Australia who could keep just as good if not better than Manou or Haddin.

[Adelaide Hawk]

If you have a batsmen-keeper that is capable of hitting a century or averaging 40 odd that is way more valauble than a keeper-batsmen who may average 20 and at most save you 10 byes an innings.

And if they miss a stumping, catch or run out in which the batsman makes an extra 100, where does that rate?

It has been well documented over the years that the wicketkeeper is the barometer for the overall standard of fielding.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Look at the best teams of the modern era and their keeper is almost a 7th batsman. It's just the way it is.

And how many of the best teams have had a clutz for a wicketkeeper?

[whufc]

If you have a batsmen-keeper that is capable of hitting a century or averaging 40 odd that is way more valauble than a keeper-batsmen who may average 20 and at most save you 10 byes an innings.

And if they miss a stumping, catch ir run out in which the batsman makes an extra 100, where does that rate?

It has been well documented over the years that the wicketkeeper is the barometer for the overall standard of fielding.

The amount of stumpings missed in a game is very minimal, any fielder in the world at any time can drop a catch, geez i have seen both Ponting and Jonty Rhodes drop catches.

Also a batsmen keeper who is averaging 40 is probably helping build good partnerships while the keeper batsmen puts more pressure on the other batsmen because of his lack of ability. Do you think the likes of Hussey, Clarke and Damien Martyn would have batted with as much freedom having Manou coming in at 7.

It is well documented over the years that runs on the board win test matches.

[cennals05]

I've just seen a weather forecast and the weather man assures me that there will be a full days play at Edgbaston today.

[Bulldogs007]

sent Haddin and Johnsone back to Australia. England would be laughing at Australia, We have a bowler (johnsone) capable of tearing batting lists apart, capable of seriously hurting people, capable of bowling 150kmh.......but why isnt he doing this. Maybe all his personall shi_ is getting to much for him. And Johnsone was always going to take over from Gilly.....but now there is someone better than him as a keeper Manou. If they are willing to carry Hussey for som many Test matches now with out him scoring a decent score for so long, well maybe its time to bring Manou in full time. He is young, Gun and maybe he is the kinda bloke the Aussies need.

[locky801]

sent Haddin and Johnsone back to Australia. England would be laughing at Australia, We have a bowler (johnsone) capable of tearing batting lists apart, capable of seriously hurting people, capable of bowling 150kmh.......but why isnt he doing this. Maybe all his personall shi_ is getting to much for him. And Johnsone was always going to take over from Gilly.....but now there is someone better than him as a keeper Manou. If they are willing to carry Hussey for som many Test matches now with out him scoring a decent score for so long, well maybe its time to bring Manou in full time. He is young, Gun and maybe he is the kinda bloke the Aussies need.

Johnsone (not spelt right) taking over from Gilchrist so now hes a keeper as well, but know u mnade a mistake and i agree that I* would give Manou a chance

[dedja]

Good keepers that bat fair are recievers
Bad keepers who bat well are match winners [and match losers thru thier keeping]
In other words HADDIN can win a game but MANOU can only do a job

Glilly and Hadds can win games batting at 7
Manou does not fit that criteria [yet]

Put it in another way
If I was an AU bowler I would prefer seeing MANOU behing the stumps
If I was an EG bowler Id rather bowl at MANOU

There are arguments for and against in the Haddin /Manou debate

But as long as HADDIN makes runs he is still the better selection
And thats why the selectors will continue to pick him first


PLAY ABANDONED DAY 3
Good Night

The master has spoken again ... wise words indeed.

[Bulldogs007]

sent Haddin and Johnsone back to Australia. England would be laughing at Australia, We have a bowler (johnsone) capable of tearing batting lists apart, capable of seriously hurting people, capable of bowling 150kmh.......but why isnt he doing this. Maybe all his personall shi_ is getting to much for him. And Johnsone was always going to take over from Gilly.....but now there is someone better than him as a keeper Manou. If they are willing to carry Hussey for som many Test matches now with out him scoring a decent score for so long, well maybe its time to bring Manou in full time. He is young, Gun and maybe he is the kinda bloke the Aussies need.

Johnsone (not spelt right) taking over from Gilchrist so now hes a keeper as well, but know u mnade a mistake and i agree that I* would give Manou a chance

hahaha yeah i meant Haddin.

[cennals05]

Looks like play won't start until around lunch time because of the state of the oval. Everyone is well aware of how bad the English weather normally is, so how can an oval that has a sub standard drainage system be considered when planning the Ashes?

[NFC]

This is such a farce, cricket is becoming a joke.

[The Cadet]

And we're going to start at 12.00pm. Rudi's going to ask the groundstaff to spike the outfield a bit more, not that that's going to do much more to help, and Atherton's faintly fuming as to why we can't just start now. Anyway. That's good news. Just cross your fingers and hope it doesn't rain any more. Slow hand-clapping around the ground, understandably. We'll keep you updated

[Adelaide Hawk]

Rudi's going to ask the groundstaff to spike the outfield

And the Aussies have asked the groundsman to spike Rudi

[mal]

Good keepers that bat fair are recievers
Bad keepers who bat well are match winners [and match losers thru thier keeping]
In other words HADDIN can win a game but MANOU can only do a job

Glilly and Hadds can win games batting at 7
Manou does not fit that criteria [yet]

Put it in another way
If I was an AU bowler I would prefer seeing MANOU behing the stumps
If I was an EG bowler Id rather bowl at MANOU

There are arguments for and against in the Haddin /Manou debate

But as long as HADDIN makes runs he is still the better selection
And thats why the selectors will continue to pick him first


PLAY ABANDONED DAY 3
Good Night

The master has spoken again ... wise words indeed.

Yes I have spoken
wise words indeed
what I have said is 100% right and absolutely right and no one can dispute what I posted +
that being 'play abandoned day 3'...


ahh well if it rains again , guess its up to MAL/DEDJA/ADELAIDEHAWK to post some more rants...