Should the SANFL Salary Cap be changed?

[whufc]

drebin I am not getting swayed by Cornesy, or someone on here, or anybody. Just trying to think about what's best for the 9 clubs, not what's best for my club.

Your points are valid. I can't argue with what you've said.

If you read my post you'll see I said I support lifting the cap, so long as all 9 SANFL Clubs could cope with it. I am speculating that not all 9 clubs can cope currently, even though North can. I might be wrong.

I'm getting pretty tired of having my support of North questioned on here or being told what I should think or say. Just respond to my posts and correct me if I am wrong. Don't question my level of support.

Maybe if you truly 100% supported your club . You wouldnt be accused of such a thing.

As I said to you a year ago there is a difference being a crows fan and a SANFL fan.

A Point you laughed at the time I believe you even made it your signature it was such an absurd suggestion. If this doesnt prove it to you I dont know what will.

A line has been drawn in the sand and you honestly have no idea why your NAFC loyalty is being questioned. AFter defending the AFL clubs all week to SANFL/NAFC fans. ???

Spot on as usual UK Fan!

[holden78]

Should be reduced the Eagles are always miles under so reduce it

[redandblack]

I agree with this. The cap shouldn't be based on what the AFL say it should be, nor should it be based on aggressive dreams of competing with the AFL. It should be whatever all 9 SANFL clubs can cope with and still stay solvent and competitive. Take the AFL question right out of it.

My gut feeling is that it should be lower solely to cut back on the expensive imports, as I said before. I'd like to see the money saved put into the local lads to stop the drain to the lower leagues. That way the ladder better reflects how clubs are developing their local talent rather than who got the best VFL recruits this year. Maybe that's an idealistic pipe dream, I dunno.

But if all 9 SANFL clubs could cope with a bigger cap then, fine, lift it.

Hmm, let me see from a NAFC point of view of which I am having doubts you actually are a supporter of North BTW? If the cap was cut back mainly on the basis to stop expensive imports, we (north) would possibly not have playing in our present side:

Ackland, White, Archard, Younie, Alleway, Allan, Ryswyk, Stewart (although on an AFL rookie list presently), Gill (although on a AFL list he did come via the VFL originally and will come back fulltime when cut hopefully) Whyman, Schwarze (import but via another SANFL Club) Salary cap cuts would also lessen the appeal to lure back former "original" North players such as Sporn and Stribling and the like.Then balance those players coming in to replace the drafted juniors etc you lose to the AFL system interstate (so not even in our comp as Crows or Power listed players) each year e.g. for North over the past 2 or so years: Campbell, O'Keefe, Lewis Johnstone, Henry White, Shane Edwards etc - all would have been regular league players in the main had they stayed. Not to mention those players who retire so you lose that experience factor too - it's not just juniors. Developing local players will mean more get drafted with less players to replace under your "plan".

Just where do you think we can replace players from if we can't lure experienced good skilled players from interstate comps such as the VFL and WAFL or coming out of the AFL system with some financial incentives or should we search the "Amateur" Leagues (who will probably end up being able to pay more than the SANFL - again under your plan!) or get players either overlooked previously and maybe get the odd "diamond" or get recycled ex SANFL players?

How can we remain a viable comp and as the best league outside the AFL if we can't attract the best available players?

As for the other clubs imports where do I start: J Clayton, Grima, the Gowans etc etc etc and dont forget they also lose good juniors each year to the AFL interstate eg. clubs like WAFC have lost a bucket load of good juniors each year in recent times!

Look at the big picture instead of getting sucked in by media hype generated by those anti-SANFL people like Graham Cornes etc who have no real clue or "real "feel for SANFL Clubs anymore.

drebin, serious question and asked with respect. I thought all of these players came to North for not much money, but more love of the Club, rather than being expensive imports. It is rumoured (perhaps incorrectly) that one or two of these players are on very large packages (not necessarily anything illegal under the cap rules, of course, as North have a clean record). Why would a reduction in the cap affect North in that case?

[drebin]

Well R&B, firstly you say with respect but your post is just another having a "veiled" crack at North and supposed salary cap cheating???

It is a bit of a tired old record don't you think? Ever since 2004 people like you continue to play the record and bleat about North cheating the cap etc and despite our club having had more scrutiny over the past few years because of baseless complaints and whinging lodged by other clubs at the league table. Sadly for people like you we haven't been found to be doing anything outside the rules. The one or two players you refer to in your posts would be Damon White and Cain Ackland who are both also engaged in coaching roles (Senior and Junior) at North. At least our "expensive" imports offer a versatile asset to our club on and off field and earn their money so in West's case how do you explain Cupido's role at West given what he is reportedly earning???

Re the point of my post (which you missed as your eyes glazed over in anticipation of having a "veiled" crack at North salary cap cheating) was that clearly a reduction in the cap would hamper our chances of retaining / enticing those types of players.

[redandblack]

I think that was my first post on this topic, or any salary cap topic, for many months, but like so many others, I was just a bit surprised at how the players you have always said aren't being paid much, now have become 'expensive imports'.

[Dirko]

Apologies if it's been mentioned before, but how this for a suggestion;
Any player from the SANFL clubs zone is EXCLUDED from the Salary Cap. That way the hard work and effort of bringing up players through the system can be rewarded by ensuring we can pay the blokes their worth to stay in the SANFL system.
Have a salary cap for recruits i.e not from the club zones only.
The way I see it if you had a cap for recruits it'd give you more reason to develop the zone in which you work, and IMO that would be a good thing.

[Psyber]

Hmm..
The majority seem to be in favour of spending more money on players, but there is the question of where it is going to come from.
Most of the SANFL teams seem to have had their financial problems, and the SANFL is not going to replace any money they spend over their income.
Do you guys go in for deficit budgetting at home too?

[drebin]

Apologies if it's been mentioned before, but how this for a suggestion;
Any player from the SANFL clubs zone is EXCLUDED from the Salary Cap. That way the hard work and effort of bringing up players through the system can be rewarded by ensuring we can pay the blokes their worth to stay in the SANFL system.
Have a salary cap for recruits i.e not from the club zones only.
The way I see it if you had a cap for recruits it'd give you more reason to develop the zone in which you work, and IMO that would be a good thing.

That is a very good suggestion - or at the least a reduced included figure for those players from your local / country zones as an alternative.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Hmm..
The majority seem to be in favour of spending more money on players, but there is the question of where it is going to come from.
Most of the SANFL teams seem to have had their financial problems, and the SANFL is not going to replace any money they spend over their income.
Do you guys go in for deficit budgetting at home too?

What they are saying is they would like to increase the salary cap so they can declare what they are really paying players for a change, not actually paying any more than they already do.

[Psyber]

Hmm..
The majority seem to be in favour of spending more money on players, but there is the question of where it is going to come from.
Most of the SANFL teams seem to have had their financial problems, and the SANFL is not going to replace any money they spend over their income.
Do you guys go in for deficit budgetting at home too?

What they are saying is they would like to increase the salary cap so they can declare what they are really paying players for a change, not actually paying any more than they already do.

Ahh...
I had not realised cheating was quite so widespread. Perhaps that is why some teams are already in financial trouble...

[doggies4eva]

Hmm..
The majority seem to be in favour of spending more money on players, but there is the question of where it is going to come from.
Most of the SANFL teams seem to have had their financial problems, and the SANFL is not going to replace any money they spend over their income.
Do you guys go in for deficit budgetting at home too?

I voted for an increase in the cap. The assumption is that clubs manage their own finances and can fund player payments. They can pay less than the cap if required. That is one of the flaws in the cap system - it is no substitute for good management at the club level.

[sjt]

Apologies if it's been mentioned before, but how this for a suggestion;
Any player from the SANFL clubs zone is EXCLUDED from the Salary Cap. That way the hard work and effort of bringing up players through the system can be rewarded by ensuring we can pay the blokes their worth to stay in the SANFL system.
Have a salary cap for recruits i.e not from the club zones only.
The way I see it if you had a cap for recruits it'd give you more reason to develop the zone in which you work, and IMO that would be a good thing.

That is a very good suggestion - or at the least a reduced included figure for those players from your local / country zones as an alternative.

I like the idea.

[Psyber]

Apologies if it's been mentioned before, but how this for a suggestion;
Any player from the SANFL clubs zone is EXCLUDED from the Salary Cap. That way the hard work and effort of bringing up players through the system can be rewarded by ensuring we can pay the blokes their worth to stay in the SANFL system.
Have a salary cap for recruits i.e not from the club zones only.
The way I see it if you had a cap for recruits it'd give you more reason to develop the zone in which you work, and IMO that would be a good thing.

That is a very good suggestion - or at the least a reduced included figure for those players from your local / country zones as an alternative.

Yes, I think that is a good one too.
I don't think it should be entirely uncounted, but some reward for developing players instead of just importing them makes sense.