Should the SANFL Salary Cap be changed?

[Adelaide Hawk]

Yes, the salary cap should be changed ... from a farce to a complete farce.

[drebin]

Yes, the salary cap should be changed ... from a farce to a complete farce.

I find that statement very ironic from a club who got caught cheating on breaches that even a deaf, dumb, blind auditor would have identified!

[PhilH]

Yes it should be changed.

The amount should match what the competition can as an average sustain.

Since 1877 I am sure there have been some clubs doing well financially, some clubs covering costs and some struggling. Its just the names of the clubs that change over time.

Find where the mid point is to allow rich clubs sme advantage (they have earned it) but not dominating too much (aka Premier League), but within range for stuggling clubs to still compete at some level and believe they can bridge the game with some restructuring of operations.


But I digress the two real changes I want are

- Follow the WAFL model and as well as a $ cap have a points system as well based on where players on their list are from.
- This creates a very transparent system where anyone who can add (or use a calculator) can confirm if a club is under the the points cap.

- Take out the nominal AFL player payments out of the cap and put in a nominal per match payment accross the board
- This means the salary cap auditors can analyse contracts at the start of the season not the end and add in the nominal payments per game.
- It stops discrepancies based on injury and AFL player use along the season.
- It may allow breeches to be found during the season they occur and penalties to be enforced during that season not a year or two later.

[dedja]

Some good points there Phil.

[oldfella]

I have been saying for 5 years we should have a pure points based system that is totally transparent however it would appear that the powers to be do not think it would work???

[Mr Irate]

Rumour has it that North Melbourne are prepared to pay $800K to Nathan Buckley to coach their football club. This, at the same time that the AFL would like the SANFL to reduce club salary caps down to $200K.

Call me biased if you wish but I'm struggling to come to terms with the inference that the coach of one AFL club can get paid the equivalent of four entire clubs in the SANFL.

[Barto]

Yes, the salary cap should be changed ... from a farce to a complete farce.

I find that statement very ironic from a club who got caught cheating on breaches that even a deaf, dumb, blind auditor would have identified!

From the club itself or a member of the public who happens to be a supporter of that club?

Personally I think the training requirements of SANFL clubs should be reduced. You've got blokes working in a semi-professional capacity who have to work day jobs if they're to have any kind of lifestyle and are expected to front up and train at a capacity that although not quite at AFL level, can be very intense. I cant blame a player who isn't going to make it at AFL level choosing to go to an amateur or country club for similar dollars and the chance to have a kick with their mates.

The problem is, which club would be brave enough to make that step and fall behind the other teams.

[Barto]

I have been saying for 5 years we should have a pure points based system that is totally transparent however it would appear that the powers to be do not think it would work???

It appears to be working in the WAFL if this years results are anything to go by.

[oldfella]

No arguments here Barto

[tipper]

A points type system has been used in basketball (NBL) and it just leads to more finger pointing. "Your player should be x points instead of y", "ours is rated too high", "its not fair". I dont see it as any different to a salary cap. We already have clubs complaining of an unfair draw, if the SANFL were to decide on how many points a player was worth it would just create more cause for complaint.

[oldfella]

But at least it would be transparent

[darley16]

If SANFL cap to be reduced, then "amateur" leagues, country and affiliated leagues should be closely audited for payment breaches as this a were the player drain starts.

[drebin]

If SANFL cap to be reduced, then "amateur" leagues, country and affiliated leagues should be closely audited for payment breaches as this a were the player drain starts.

Well said!

[Hondo]

Yes it should be changed.

The amount should match what the competition can as an average sustain.

Since 1877 I am sure there have been some clubs doing well financially, some clubs covering costs and some struggling. Its just the names of the clubs that change over time.

Find where the mid point is to allow rich clubs sme advantage (they have earned it) but not dominating too much (aka Premier League), but within range for stuggling clubs to still compete at some level and believe they can bridge the game with some restructuring of operations.

I agree with this. The cap shouldn't be based on what the AFL say it should be, nor should it be based on aggressive dreams of competing with the AFL. It should be whatever all 9 SANFL clubs can cope with and still stay solvent and competitive. Take the AFL question right out of it.

My gut feeling is that it should be lower solely to cut back on the expensive imports, as I said before. I'd like to see the money saved put into the local lads to stop the drain to the lower leagues. That way the ladder better reflects how clubs are developing their local talent rather than who got the best VFL recruits this year. Maybe that's an idealistic pipe dream, I dunno.

But if all 9 SANFL clubs could cope with a bigger cap then, fine, lift it.

[Macca19]

If most clubs make a loss again this year then it should be seriously considered. Whilst yes it may reduce the quality across the league, id rather support a club with a lower salary cap than no club at all because clubs and supporters were too stubborn to allow for change.

[drebin]

I agree with this. The cap shouldn't be based on what the AFL say it should be, nor should it be based on aggressive dreams of competing with the AFL. It should be whatever all 9 SANFL clubs can cope with and still stay solvent and competitive. Take the AFL question right out of it.

My gut feeling is that it should be lower solely to cut back on the expensive imports, as I said before. I'd like to see the money saved put into the local lads to stop the drain to the lower leagues. That way the ladder better reflects how clubs are developing their local talent rather than who got the best VFL recruits this year. Maybe that's an idealistic pipe dream, I dunno.

But if all 9 SANFL clubs could cope with a bigger cap then, fine, lift it.

Hmm, let me see from a NAFC point of view of which I am having doubts you actually are a supporter of North BTW? If the cap was cut back mainly on the basis to stop expensive imports, we (north) would possibly not have playing in our present side:

Ackland, White, Archard, Younie, Alleway, Allan, Ryswyk, Stewart (although on an AFL rookie list presently), Gill (although on a AFL list he did come via the VFL originally and will come back fulltime when cut hopefully) Whyman, Schwarze (import but via another SANFL Club) Salary cap cuts would also lessen the appeal to lure back former "original" North players such as Sporn and Stribling and the like.

Then balance those players coming in to replace the drafted juniors etc you lose to the AFL system interstate (so not even in our comp as Crows or Power listed players) each year e.g. for North over the past 2 or so years: Campbell, O'Keefe, Lewis Johnstone, Henry White, Shane Edwards etc - all would have been regular league players in the main had they stayed. Not to mention those players who retire so you lose that experience factor too - it's not just juniors. Developing local players will mean more get drafted with less players to replace under your "plan".

Just where do you think we can replace players from if we can't lure experienced good skilled players from interstate comps such as the VFL and WAFL or coming out of the AFL system with some financial incentives or should we search the "Amateur" Leagues (who will probably end up being able to pay more than the SANFL - again under your plan!) or get players either overlooked previously and maybe get the odd "diamond" or get recycled ex SANFL players?

How can we remain a viable comp and as the best league outside the AFL if we can't attract the best available players?

As for the other clubs imports where do I start: J Clayton, Grima, the Gowans etc etc etc and dont forget they also lose good juniors each year to the AFL interstate eg. clubs like WAFC have lost a bucket load of good juniors each year in recent times!

Look at the big picture instead of getting sucked in by media hype generated by those anti-SANFL people like Graham Cornes etc who have no real clue or "real "feel for SANFL Clubs anymore.

[Hondo]

drebin I am not getting swayed by Cornesy, or someone on here, or anybody. Just trying to think about what's best for the 9 clubs, not what's best for my club.

Your points are valid. I can't argue with what you've said.

If you read my post you'll see I said I support lifting the cap, so long as all 9 SANFL Clubs could cope with it. I am speculating that not all 9 clubs can cope currently, even though North can. I might be wrong.

I'm getting pretty tired of having my support of North questioned on here or being told what I should think or say. Just respond to my posts and correct me if I am wrong. Don't question my level of support.

[drebin]

Fair call - Hondo, I was just taking the proverbial re your support for North and I know you are passionate so my apologies. Keep posting as you do - your posts are always thought provoking and enjoyable.

[UK Fan]

drebin I am not getting swayed by Cornesy, or someone on here, or anybody. Just trying to think about what's best for the 9 clubs, not what's best for my club.

Your points are valid. I can't argue with what you've said.

If you read my post you'll see I said I support lifting the cap, so long as all 9 SANFL Clubs could cope with it. I am speculating that not all 9 clubs can cope currently, even though North can. I might be wrong.

I'm getting pretty tired of having my support of North questioned on here or being told what I should think or say. Just respond to my posts and correct me if I am wrong. Don't question my level of support.

Maybe if you truly 100% supported your club . You wouldnt be accused of such a thing.

As I said to you a year ago there is a difference being a crows fan and a SANFL fan.

A Point you laughed at the time I believe you even made it your signature it was such an absurd suggestion. If this doesnt prove it to you I dont know what will.

A line has been drawn in the sand and you honestly have no idea why your NAFC loyalty is being questioned. AFter defending the AFL clubs all week to SANFL/NAFC fans. ???

[Hondo]

3rd edit

UK Fan, you are passionate about Centrals and the SANFL and that's great. Let's leave it at that hey? I don't know you from a bar of soap and you don't know me. I'd be happy to share a beer with you at the footy one day and/or just agree to disagree with you.

I enjoy my footy and I enjoy posting on here. I'm not going to keep arguing the same point with you over and over.