NAFC injunction on the SANFL re the Power

[Wedgie]

If anything, AAMI should be linked to the South?

Whilst I agree with everything else you said how do you come up with that statement?
Football Park is 5km further North than Adelaide Oval and I can get to Adelaide Oval almost twice as quickly from the South.
Similarly if I lived North Id prefer a quick trip down the Port Expressway than going down Main North Rd.

I don't think it should be linked to any area. I was just trying to point out that neither oval is really "south" or "north". They are west and central to me.

If he said Elizabeth Oval and Nourlunga then fine.

I think Edward Teach works for the SACA. They'll come up with any argument to say they should get AFL games. That's officially the worst I've heard.

Fair enough, agreed then!

[dedja]

So let me get this right, we have 7 pages in this topic because NAFC wrote a nasty letter to the SANFL like Hans Brix did in Team America World Police?

[Edward Teach]

The SANFL have made an awful mess of the whole thing.
Take AFL footy away from AAMI Stadium and you take money out of the SANFL and give it to the SACA. How much? Don't know. But that's not the outcome everyone is looking for right now as that would ultimately impact the 9 SANFL clubs.

Possibly but not if AAMI is sold off and SANFL negotiate deal with SACA whereby profit margin is increased for SANFL investment in Adelaide Oval - it can be done.


The Crows are supported strongly in all areas of SA expect Port Adelaide probably. I don't think any single region feels they have a stronger tie to the Crows than any other. What's this strong presence in the North you are talking about?

Agree but really would have been better idea to have area rivalries. As it stands Crows/Port Split is minimum 80/20 with Port stagnant - little possibility of improving on this and being profitable. I never said there was a strong presence in the North. The Crows are based and play in the North and have zero presence in the City or South. They seem to love AAMI - so if there were to be a geographical split the Crows can have the North.[/i]


Also, why do you want to link Adelaide Oval and AAMI Stadium to regions? If anything, AAMI should be linked to the South? I don't think people tie their club support in to which ground the team plays at. Are you a SACA member?

Would make sense in a 2 team town with one generic 'no real home team' and one team that is woefully supported. Clearly AAMI is North of CBD and AA is in CBD. If one was setting up the AFL teams here again and properly then Adelaide would be based in ADELAIDE at AA and be aligned to the south/east and (clubs) and Port would be based at West Lakes (Port area) and be aligned to the north/west (and clubs). These are natural geographical and social divides in Adelaide. Would have been real rivalry.


As it stands now the Crows won't move from AAMI and Port have to moce to AA to survive and grow fan base. It is all backwards but typical of the small thinking twits that dominate the SANFL, Crows and Govt in this state. And no not a member of AA. Love it and want to see it packed with 50k screaming AFL fans on Friday night - ramming energy and money into this tired old city!

[Wedgie]

WTF is this AA you keep referring to?
Are they going to build a new indoor oval inside a radio station or something?

[dedja]

Let's further convolute the argument (whatever it is now) to include the stadium debate ...

[dedja]

WTF is this AA you keep referring to?

Hic ...

[Edward Teach]

WTF is this AA you keep referring to?
Are they going to build a new indoor oval inside a radio station or something?

Should have typed AO (Adelaide Oval).

I think this issue ties right into stadium debate and the whole structure of AFL/Sport in Adelaide.

AAMI is a lemon by world standards and we need a World Class stadium in CBD - either redeveloped AO or new 'Docklands' Style in CBD.

In short term Port must be allowed to play at Adelaide Oval so that they can grab the thousands of footy fans that loathe the sterile AAMI. Plenty of Norwood/Sturt supporters for a start will jump on board Port if they play at Adelaide Oval. The players all seem to live and own pubs in this side of city so may as well play here now!

[dedja]

In short term Port must be allowed to play at Adelaide Oval so that they can grab the thousands of footy fans that loathe the sterile AAMI. Plenty of Norwood/Sturt supporters for a start will jump on board Port if they play at Adelaide Oval. The players all seem to live and own pubs in this side of city so may as well play here now!

LOL, doubt whether you'll need to take your shoes off to count them.

[blues2002]

Plenty of Norwood/Sturt supporters for a start will jump on board Port if they play at Adelaide Oval. The players all seem to live and own pubs in this side of city so may as well play here now!

Some of us jumped on but I jumped off and it's likely I'm not alone.
One minute Port welcome new fans, then they get all precious about being PAFC and not Port Power, and further alienate non magpie fans with their 1870's and creed and other stuff that the "new/old" club PAFC is not following on the field anyway. It's so bad they are not even attracting a lot of their original fan base.
so NO I dont think a lot of Norwood/Sturt fans will jump on to this confusing ship unless there is a permanent shift in the tradition vs new culture of the power.

[Sojourner]

They are advertising on 5AA that Bohdan Jaworskyj from the NAFC will be coming onto the show to make his points on the matter, whether he will be made available to recieve calls from the listeners or not I dont know, but it should be interesting to hear what he says, they havent given what time he will be on though.

[mick]

WTF is this AA you keep referring to?
Are they going to build a new indoor oval inside a radio station or something?

Should have typed AO (Adelaide Oval).

I think this issue ties right into stadium debate and the whole structure of AFL/Sport in Adelaide.

AAMI is a lemon by world standards and we need a World Class stadium in CBD - either redeveloped AO or new 'Docklands' Style in CBD.

In short term Port must be allowed to play at Adelaide Oval so that they can grab the thousands of footy fans that loathe the sterile AAMI. Plenty of Norwood/Sturt supporters for a start will jump on board Port if they play at Adelaide Oval. The players all seem to live and own pubs in this side of city so may as well play here now!

Don't you need a criminal record to follow the Power?

[Sojourner]

Was an interesting interview, they got through a number of questions which was great, two points that I picked up were, they asked Bohdan about the ex president of Port Powers claims in todays paper the the financial problems are only recent and Bodhan stated that their investagations had found various large sums of debts "Carried Over" which was felt to be a concern. Graham asked him if he had confidence in the SANFL commision, Bodan spoke about the SANFL in general but would not actually answer the question directly. Bohdan then discussed what seems to be a staggering amount of debt being racked up by the club. Graham then tried to ask if the North Adelaide FC would have stood up in 2003 to the same questioning over debts and forward plans etc which I felt he answered him back with quite a frank response very well.

Interesting times ahead one might think!

[the joker]

Bohdan Jaworskyj just had a an interesting interview on 5aa, he talked about a few things including the Salary cap in the SANFL will be reduced

[Edward Teach]

WTF is this AA you keep referring to?
Are they going to build a new indoor oval inside a radio station or something?

Should have typed AO (Adelaide Oval).

I think this issue ties right into stadium debate and the whole structure of AFL/Sport in Adelaide.

AAMI is a lemon by world standards and we need a World Class stadium in CBD - either redeveloped AO or new 'Docklands' Style in CBD.

In short term Port must be allowed to play at Adelaide Oval so that they can grab the thousands of footy fans that loathe the sterile AAMI. Plenty of Norwood/Sturt supporters for a start will jump on board Port if they play at Adelaide Oval. The players all seem to live and own pubs in this side of city so may as well play here now!

Don't you need a criminal record to follow the Power?

Agree, but basically I will follow Yatala United if they play at Adelaide Oval!

AFL crowds at AO >>>>> AAMI if it happens - whether all people there follow Port is irrelevant - Port get the $$$.

[dedja]

AFL crowds at AO >>>>> AAMI if it happens.

Just interested on what basis you make that assertion ... can you elaborate please. ta.

[Psyber]

The AAMI/AO debate is meaningless - I can't see anything changing.
The SANFL built AAMI because the SACA were screwing them for the use of the AO, and they are not going to sell AAMI and risk getting into that situation again.
If they did, they would struggle to get land for a venue anywhere near a central location when the SACA gain confidence and jack the hire fee again.
Even with joint ownership of AO there would be big problems with competing interests.
Perhaps if AO were held by them both in a separate trust, and agreements were made within that trust which sport had priority at which times of year, it may work.
But I wouldn't bet on it...

[Adelaide Hawk]

Bohdan Jaworskyj just had a an interesting interview on 5aa, he talked about a few things including the Salary cap in the SANFL will be reduced

How's that going to change anything? Nobody's taken any notice of it in the past. I guess by reducing it, they are hoping the other clubs get a chance to contribute to the "save the Power" fund like the Redlegs did.

[harley d]

Can someone please tell me how reducing the SANFL salary cap , which will just weaken the comp, can help Ports financial situation ?

[Macca19]

As per the paper today the Power's projected losses are 2.34 million this year, 4.27 million next year and 4.5 million in 2011.
Those figures are from the Power themselves so are probably a best case scenario.

What I want to know is how? How can that possibly be an accurate projection. $4m losses would be unprecedented at AFL as far as im aware and cannot be at all sustainable. I dont understand how in 2007 the club made just shy of a $1m profit. Now, three years later its projecting back to back $4m losses? Thats just nuts.

[Squawk]

I think the Power have spent a lot of money trying to get "up to speed" with other clubs who have been more established than them. This has been driven by a view that having every tool at their disposal, leaving no stone unturn, would be the best means of success. That has meant things like visiting overseas "sports corporates" like Man U, building a training facility at Alberton (with contributions from the SANFL and Alan Scott), having plenty of staff (including some who are unique in their roles at Port because no other clubs have similar roles). In essence, they have been chasing success by spending a lot of money on a lot of things in a short space of time.
The 2004 GF win and the 2007 GF loss (3 yrs apart) would have encouraged them to believe that everything they were doing was bringing on-field results. Maybe it did. However, maybe they forgot to consider the off field impact, thinking that GF appearances and the like would bring the supporters and their money and attract new supporters and their money.

This is probably a fair bit of supposition, but in essence I have a perception (rightly or wrongly) that they have been willing to spend money to fast track success, and maybe their expenditure has not produced the yields and dividends they hoped to get - on and off field.

If I am right, it would be interesting to consider whether the Gold Coast will look at greenfields franchises like the Bears, Crows, Eagles, Power and Dockers, and see what worked well and what didn't over the period 1987-now.