Port Magpies to be dissolved. Is it true?

[Macca19]

My definition of "Support" is financially contributing to the club in some means whether that's my membership, eating at the Bistro, buying beer from Snouts Bar etc.

If I didn't go to the footy, but checked the scores out and said I go for Glenelg, I'd say I "follow" Glenelg, not "Support" them.

I agree with this. You need to be financially involved in some way to call yourself a supporter. Simply looking at the scores and going 'yay we won' doesnt = support in any possible way.

In my experience, these 'supporters' also tend to be the ones who run their mouth the most on a Monday morning.

[topsywaldron]

I agree with this. You need to be financially involved in some way to call yourself a supporter. Simply looking at the scores and going 'yay we won' doesnt = support in any possible way.

In my experience, these 'supporters' also tend to be the ones who run their mouth the most on a Monday morning.

A lot of those were wearing black and white through the eighties and nineties if my memory serves me correctly.

[Hondo]

Think your a SANFL supporter because you check the scores on the weekend.

I check the VFL and WAFL results. That does not make me a WAFL and VFL fan. Supporting the league means contributing to the SANFL financially whether thru patronage sponsorship or membership. Not checking the scores in the Sunday Mail IMHO.

Unbelievable.

I agree with you if you read my post properly. I do support my club, using your definition.

All I am saying is you can still barrack or follow a team but not not go to games. Lots of us follow teams in overseas sports but obviously never go. Some people can't get to games for whatever reasons but still follow the team closely in the media and on the internet. That's OK to me, if that's how they choose to go about it.

Obviously it's better if they financially support the club in some way but it's not a crime if they don't. At least they are still taking an interest.

[Macca19]

I agree with this. You need to be financially involved in some way to call yourself a supporter. Simply looking at the scores and going 'yay we won' doesnt = support in any possible way.

In my experience, these 'supporters' also tend to be the ones who run their mouth the most on a Monday morning.

A lot of those were wearing black and white through the eighties and nineties if my memory serves me correctly.

Yup, most likely.

[doggies4eva]

Think your a SANFL supporter because you check the scores on the weekend.

I check the VFL and WAFL results. That does not make me a WAFL and VFL fan. Supporting the league means contributing to the SANFL financially whether thru patronage sponsorship or membership. Not checking the scores in the Sunday Mail IMHO.

Unbelievable.

I agree with you if you read my post properly. I do support my club, using your definition.

All I am saying is you can still barrack or follow a team but not not go to games. Lots of us follow teams in overseas sports but obviously never go. Some people can't get to games for whatever reasons but still follow the team closely in the media and on the internet. That's OK to me, if that's how they choose to go about it.

Obviously it's better if they financially support the club in some way but it's not a crime if they don't. At least they are still taking an interest.

Interesting point about how you financially support your club. Membership is just one way. Using the club facilities - bar, restaurant, pokies; buying franchised items, clothing, flags etc, attending matches are the obvious ones but just watching the game on TV is the key way of generating revenue through TV royalties. I guess you could argue that watching SANFL on ABC or listening on the radio is assisting the club in attracting sponsorship $s.

[beenreal]

F: Salter / M Westhoff / Murray
HF: M Motlop / Perry / Thomas
C: Davenport / Carr / Krakouer
HB: Broadbent / AhChee / Lower
B: P Stewart / Thurstans / Perkins

R: Meiklejohn / J Clayton / Meyer
I: Giles / Summerton / DePasquale

EMG: Lobbe / D Stewart / Elstone

Power Players left over: Redden / Martin / Banner / Dawson / Trengove / Laurie / Farmer / Thompson

Again, it wouldnt be putting the fear of god into other SANFL sides but might make the finals.

In the right way, it would definitely work and I dont think would jeopardise the integrity of the competition. Another option would be that all 'imports' play at the one club, whilst those drafted from SANFL clubs (like Broadbent, Hartlett for example from this year) would stay at their SANFL clubs.

If previous models are used, it would be highly unlikely that home grown products, eg. Westhoff, etc. would be moved to the Magpies.

[Sojourner]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

[smac]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

How would the Power have control over that decision? It's like giving Barnacle Bills $1m on the condition that they close the local fish and chip shop.

[JK]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

How would the Power have control over that decision? It's like giving Barnacle Bills $1m on the condition that they close the local fish and chip shop.

Mmmm Barneys

[Barto]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

That might be up to the SANFL.

So how come this screaming about folding up the Magpies now? Why wasn't it decided back in 1997 if the focus should be on the Power. Would there even be a consideration of this if the Magpies were sitting top of the table at the moment?

[Sojourner]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

How would the Power have control over that decision? It's like giving Barnacle Bills $1m on the condition that they close the local fish and chip shop.

Do Barnacle Bills give 10% of the takings from their business to the local fish and chip shop?

[Booney]

Yep Soj, really good comparison there.

[dedja]

Yep Soj, really good comparison there.

[LT Smash]

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In Hondo's defence I assume he goes to more North games than others and we'd have one of the worst kids following in the league. Our average supporter age is extremely high and this has been of concern to me for a long time.

Slightly off topic but a feel good story in regard to kids, was talking to a youngster on Saturday night who was 8 but can't play footy at his school at Taperoo as they don't have footy only soccer.
He was a really nice shy kid who loves his footy so I took him over to meet some Rooster players and the coach and you should have seen his face light up. Cain Ackland went and got a foooty for him so he could get it autographed by the players. Made the kids day.
I'd encourage anyone with kids to take them to meet their clubs players as Im sure players at all clubs would do the same thing.
Little things like that can get kids interested in footy for life.
On a sour note he advised the Power had never even visited his school despite being in their heartland and yet the Crows had, and they wonder why the Power's crowds are falling. :roll:

I think you'll find that works the other way around as well. Both of my parents have been teaching within the southern suburbs of Adelaide for the last 20 years + and have always commented on having Power players out to visit the schools but never anything from the Crows.

[therisingblues]

Any details on that WA experience?

From memory they tried it for one year, one of the clubs won the flag so they canned it. Not sure of any more details other than that.

A couple of other posters said East Perth won 4 years in a row as the Eagles reserves side.

This is my crack at a Power reserves side using only Power listed players. Its loosely based around Ports R1 team with a couple of changes, but is generally around the mark. This is if every player was fit and available.

(L) = Local

F: Dawson (L) / M Westhoff (L) / Thompson (L)
HF: M Motlop (L) / Salter (L) / Thomas
C: Davenport / Carr / Krakouer
HB: Broadbent (L) / Trengove / Lower (L)
B: P Stewart (L) / Thurstans / Farmer

R: Giles (L) / Banner / Meyer (L)
I: Lobbe / Laurie / D Stewart (L)

EMG: Redden (L) / Martin (L)

The chances of every player being fit is almost zero. Theres been times at the Power in 02-03-06-08 where there has only been 3-4 players available outside the first 22, similar injury events have happened at the Crows as well. Supp list players would need to be available. Where these come from im not sure, whether its Port Magpies players or maybe State U18 players...I dont know. Youd need about 40 Supp list players in any case.

What they do in the VFL is there is a maximum amount of AFL listed players that can play each week. Im not sure what the figure is, but they need x amount of local players playing in the league side...might be 6 but im not sure on that. Something Graham said which is probably true is that there would be no U18 side, and those zones would need to be reallocated elsewhere.

That side up there wouldnt go close to winning a SANFL premiership...probably wouldnt even make the finals. If I was to add in some Port Magpies players then this would be something maybe around the mark:

F: Salter / M Westhoff / Murray
HF: M Motlop / Perry / Thomas
C: Davenport / Carr / Krakouer
HB: Broadbent / AhChee / Lower
B: P Stewart / Thurstans / Perkins

R: Meiklejohn / J Clayton / Meyer
I: Giles / Summerton / DePasquale

EMG: Lobbe / D Stewart / Elstone

Power Players left over: Redden / Martin / Banner / Dawson / Trengove / Laurie / Farmer / Thompson

Again, it wouldnt be putting the fear of god into other SANFL sides but might make the finals.

In the right way, it would definitely work and I dont think would jeopardise the integrity of the competition. Another option would be that all 'imports' play at the one club, whilst those drafted from SANFL clubs (like Broadbent, Hartlett for example from this year) would stay at their SANFL clubs.

Some good info there Macca. Lving where I do I am pretty ignorant of the abilities of most of those individual players, so I'd have no idea how they'd perform as a team. But if East Perth became so dominant I wonder if there are other factors to consider. Perhaps it is easier to supplement a side already consisting of many fringe AFL players than always maintain a strong side without so many AFL hopefuls. (eg. with a heap of young blokes with lots of potential, your regular players need only have years of experience under the belt even if their ability was not so great...perhaps? I don't know, just a theory and trying to figure out why East Perth were so dominant.)

Does anyone else have an opinion of the strength of either of Macca's teams here?
Finalists? Grand finalists? Premiers?

[Macca19]

1 Million $$$ to Port Power from the AFL.

Rarely do the AFL give free money to clubs without strings attached........

Is one or all of the strings the closure of the Port Adelaide Magpies?????

The money was a grant given to improve the clubs facilities...considering the money was granted from the AFLs facility development reserve. So one should be able to assume that given its from the facility development reserve, that the "string" is to improve the clubs facilities.

[Sojourner]

Yet in return for AFL money, do not recipient clubs have to put forward a plan of how they intend to improve their financial position for it to be approved?

[Macca19]

You are thinking of the wrong thing. Port recieved a one-off grant. It is for the new training facilities it is going to build. It is from the AFL facility development fund. It is to be used for that only. Thats all. Last year, Adelaide recieved $1m from the AFL for the same thing (plus $1.xm from the SANFL), from the same fund for their new club room facilities. Hawthorn, Collingwood and Melbourne have also recieved money from this fund.

It is different to the equalisation fund that Melbourne, NM and the Bulldogs recieve on a recurring basis.

[JK]

You are thinking of the wrong thing. Port recieved a one-off grant. It is for the new training facilities it is going to build. It is from the AFL facility development fund. It is to be used for that only. Thats all. Last year, Adelaide recieved $1m from the AFL for the same thing (plus $1.xm from the SANFL), from the same fund for their new club room facilities. Hawthorn, Collingwood and Melbourne have also recieved money from this fund.

It is different to the equalisation fund that Melbourne, NM and the Bulldogs recieve on a recurring basis.

Macca, are the SANFL contributing $1mil toward facility development for the Power same as they did for the Crows, or did they do that purely for facility housed at AAMI?

[aceman]

Yet in return for AFL money, do not recipient clubs have to put forward a plan of how they intend to improve their financial position for it to be approved?

It's called a "business plan" but sometimes the business doesn't go according to plan!