Tait quitting Shield cricket?

[Rik E Boy]

You're right hondo it easy to judge. Especially when a player doesn't get what he wants and throws all of his toys out of the cot and takes his bat and ball and goes home. Finally we agree on this.

regards,

REB

[wycbloods]

Many Australian quicks haven't started their international careers until the age of 28 and have bowled through to the age of 34,35 or 36. That would give Tait 6-8 years even if he did take 18 months off to fix his action.

Name 1 that's remodelled their action at age 27 and played 7 years of test cricket after that. No way Tait will still be bowling at 36. He'll be lucky to play past 32 before his body falls apart.

Starting a test career at age 27 is not the same as going away to change the bowling action you've had since you were 6 probably. Dennis Lillee did it at age 21 and had no choice because he couldn't bowl at all. Shaun Tait can still bowl but he feels it needs to be in shorter bursts and, unlike Lillee, he has a very lucrative alternative out of which he can set himself up for life financially.

A re-modelled action and slower pace probably won't be as potent in limited overs cricket so who's he actually re-modelling his action for? He doesn't have a CA contract and they've basically told him he won't be picked for test cricket again. So who for? The answer is probably the SACA and the SA Cricket fans. So, if Test Cricket is out for him, should he have to sacrifice the income from limited overs international cricket so he can play for SA? That's if you take him at face value that if he plays more 4 day cricket he will keep getting injured.

It's easy for us to judge what he should or shouldn't do when we've got paying jobs and hopefully have our families provided for as best we can. If you had a job that you could only do for another 6 years, would you take 18 months off your work to re-educate/re-skill yourself and hope you were as good then as you are now? Could you go 18 months without an income? If you could earn $500,000 per year for the next 5 years would you take it or delay it 18 months and hope it works out?

If injuries had hampered the last 4 years of your sporting career would you look at some hard decisions and sacrifices to stay in the sport you love? Or at least would you consider different possibilities and possibly look at things more selfishly?

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

[cyclops]

good-he is useless.

[hearts on fire]

Tait is embarrassingly crap, i would be embarrassed to see him represent our country, let alone our state team.......

[Pup]

Tait is embarrassingly crap, i would be embarrassed to see him represent our country, let alone our state team.......

These sort of comments do nothing for your credibility as a poster IMO.

So in your opinion he is not good enough to represent SA?

[Hondo]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

[Push in the Back]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

Spot on Hondo...

[wycbloods]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

I would honestly do my best to play test cricket again. It is an honour to play for your country at the highest level and something i think Tait has taken for granted. Who says he couldn't still play in the IPL whilst remodelling his action, probably a good place to test it out i would've thought.

[Rik E Boy]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

I'd have a crack and not sledge the game of cricket just because I didn't get a contract.

regards,

REB

[Push in the Back]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

I'd have a crack and not sledge the game of cricket just because I didn't get a contract.

regards,

REB

Seriously you do live in a utopian world REB. How dare anyone decide to put themselves first in professional sport. This idealistic rubbish is such a snore...Whats your call on Harry Kewell when he decides to put Premiership Soccer before playing for Australia??? Or Judd leaving Wet Coast for big bucks at Carlton?? Tait has said that he wants to play for Australia - just not Test Cricket - so what - get over it.

[Booney]

Utopian - an idealistic (but usually impractical) social reformer; "a Utopian believes in the ultimate perfectibility of man"
Not sure thats what REB would claim to be, or indeed the world he lives in.

Perhaps if you could suggest he expects " Over paid sooks who should pull their finger out their arse and try their best regardless of how bloody hard it might be " then sure, thats REB.

[Push in the Back]

Utopian - an idealistic (but usually impractical) social reformer; "a Utopian believes in the ultimate perfectibility of man"
Not sure thats what REB would claim to be, or indeed the world he lives in.

Perhaps if you could suggest he expects " Over paid sooks who should pull their finger out their arse and try their best regardless of how bloody hard it might be " then sure, thats REB.

Predictable reply...

[Booney]

Utopian - an idealistic (but usually impractical) social reformer; "a Utopian believes in the ultimate perfectibility of man"
Not sure thats what REB would claim to be, or indeed the world he lives in.

Perhaps if you could suggest he expects " Over paid sooks who should pull their finger out their arse and try their best regardless of how bloody hard it might be " then sure, thats REB.

Predictable reply...

Pointless comment...

[smac]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

I'd have a crack and not sledge the game of cricket just because I didn't get a contract.

regards,

REB

You have a contract with your employer and they ask you not to work somewhere else because you might get hurt.

Then they sack you half way through the job that could have earned you a good quid.

Give 'em shit? Absolutely.

[heater31]

You have a contract with your employer and they ask you not to work somewhere else because you might get hurt.

Then they sack you half way through the job that could have earned you a good quid.

Give 'em s***t? Absolutely.

Yet they let a work-mate (Brett Lee) do as he well f**king pleases

[catchit]

good on him for making as much money as he can while he can..
still think its his heart that is injured most of the time.. doesnt mean he is not a good cricketer,it just means that he falls into that soft catergory IMO..

[dedja]

I think you'll find that Tait's destiny is not in his hands ... regardless of where he may or may not prefer to play, it's up to the CA, SA (or other states), IPL or however to decide whether it's worth the risk to sign him up and play him, whether it be T20, 1, 4 or 5 day matches.

If he ends up being a short game specialist and makes money out of it, good luck to him ... if he get's his sh*t together and plays tests again, good luck the same.

One thing that may have been overlooked is that when he took time off for depression last season, CA faithfully kept him on contract and continued to pay his retainer.

FWIW, I wouldn't be dishing out any money on a contract for him until he can show that he can last more than a couple of overs, physically or mentally.

[Hondo]

You have a contract with your employer and they ask you not to work somewhere else because you might get hurt.

Then they sack you half way through the job that could have earned you a good quid.

Give 'em s***t? Absolutely.

It's good for REB and Booney that, to them, $500K is "meh". I'd be slightly dirty if I had forever lost $500K but, hey, maybe that's just me. FWIW, he wasn't expecting a CA contract. But when he was forced to forgo the IPL to then be told "sorry but we don't need you now anyway but we might pick you for some limited overs cricket some time" he probably got a bit upset. As we all would, lets be honest.

I promise that's my last comment on this issue I think I have repeated myself 20,000 times

[wycbloods]

You have a contract with your employer and they ask you not to work somewhere else because you might get hurt.

Then they sack you half way through the job that could have earned you a good quid.

Give 'em s***t? Absolutely.

It's good for REB and Booney that, to them, $500K is "meh". I'd be slightly dirty if I had forever lost $500K but, hey, maybe that's just me. FWIW, he wasn't expecting a CA contract. But when he was forced to forgo the IPL to then be told "sorry but we don't need you now anyway but we might pick you for some limited overs cricket some time" he probably got a bit upset. As we all would, lets be honest.

I promise that's my last comment on this issue I think I have repeated myself 20,000 times

I agree i would be dirty on CA for that as well. Why doesn't get out there and prove them wrong for not giving him a contract, that is in the too hard basket i am afraid.

[rod_rooster]

At no stage did i say a bowler with a remodelled action has started at that age but people have started their careers, internationally, and succeeded. Stuart Clark is the most recent i can think of. No doubt he has had some hard decisions to make but he has taken the easy road IMHO. Test Cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, obviously it isn't for him.

So what are you suggesting he does? The great idea from others was that he take 18 months off (with no income) and remodel his action in an attempt to return at age 29 and make a remarkable comeback to test cricket, just like Dennis Lillee did (ignore the age difference). He probably won't be able to run after the age of 32, let's be real.

As I understand it, Cricket Australia have told him he's out of their test cricket plans and will only be considered for limited overs cricket from here on.

As I said before, it's easy for us to talk about what's the "right" thing to do. But when it came to the crunch and we were in the exact same spot then most of us would do the same as Taity allegedly is. Test cricket ruled out, no security of a CA Contract, body falling apart, age 27, potential to make very good money in IPL and playing limited overs cricket for Australia. What would you HONESTLY do if you were him?

There's doing what's "right" and then there's doing what's "smart". What would you do?

I'd have a crack and not sledge the game of cricket just because I didn't get a contract.

regards,

REB

Seriously you do live in a utopian world REB. How dare anyone decide to put themselves first in professional sport. This idealistic rubbish is such a snore...Whats your call on Harry Kewell when he decides to put Premiership Soccer before playing for Australia??? Or Judd leaving Wet Coast for big bucks at Carlton?? Tait has said that he wants to play for Australia - just not Test Cricket - so what - get over it.

At the end of the day Tait can do as he pleases. If he's happy with that then good for him. If he expects to be taken seriously as a cricketer though he is kidding himself. He can play 20/20 all he wants but no one will ever talk about him as anything but a guy who had ability but never realised it due to injury and lack of dedication.