Wallace and Richmond 'Part Ways'

[aceman]

Don't you just love this "full support from the players" tripe? If they really supported Wallace over the past 5 years, why have they played so poorly? If that's "total support", who needs it?

Because most of them simply are just not good enough. Look at the players Richmond have drafted since 2004.

Deledio (1), Tambling (4), Meyer (12), Pattison (16), Polo (20), McGuane, Limbach, Graham, Knobel, Oakley Nicholls (8), Hughes, Casserly, White, Riewoldt (13), Edwards, Collins, Connors, Peterson, Kingsley, Cotchin (2), Rance (18), Putt and Gourdis. Did not include 2008 because they have not had enough time in the system.

How many of these players if this was your club and you had the benfit of Hindsight would you want. Some really ordinary recruiting has not helped them one bit.

So hang the recruiting staff, or are they happy to just muddle along and go through another 10 years of blaming a coach, it appears that's their way of doing things. Once a loser, always a tiger!

[Pup]

Deledio, Cotchin and maybe Rance but that's it. Then again, we could always bring back Kent Kingsley!

regards,

REB

Please dont tell me that was a swap for Brad Ottens unless it had a top 20 pick thrown in

No it wasn't.

Pick 12 and 16 was what Richmond got for Ottens. (Meyer and Pattison)

[Pup]

Deledio, Cotchin and maybe Rance but that's it. Then again, we could always bring back Kent Kingsley!
regards,
REB

Maybe throw Jack Riewoldt into that group as well IMO. Will be a good player

[RustyCage]

Trades

IN
04 - Simmonds from Freo
05 - Bowden from WB
06 - Polak from Freo
07 - McMahon from WB
07 - Morton from West Coast
08 - Thompson from Port Adelaide

OUT
04 - Ottens to Geelong
04 - Fiora to St Kilda

[Adelaide Hawk]

Don't you just love this "full support from the players" tripe? If they really supported Wallace over the past 5 years, why have they played so poorly? If that's "total support", who needs it?

Because most of them simply are just not good enough. Look at the players Richmond have drafted since 2004.

And whose fault is that? The coach is largely responsible for the players they draft. Certainly he makes the final call, so he can't complain about a poor list when he's the one who assembled it.

[Rik E Boy]

Deledio, Cotchin and maybe Rance but that's it. Then again, we could always bring back Kent Kingsley!
regards,
REB

Maybe throw Jack Riewoldt into that group as well IMO. Will be a good player

I was thinking from a Geelong point of view. Riewoldt would spend a lengthy spell in the VFL learning the craft like all Geelong draftees but the other three would be right in the selection mix. I really rate Rance and his fearlessness and I reckon Bomber would too.

regards,

REB

[JK]

Morton looks to be one who has a serious x-factor about him that I rate, problem is he'll need to find some consistency to his game pretty soon.

[Booney]

On AA this morning Bone McDermott suggested Wallace told Morton ( after the loss to Port where Morton sprayed one OOF with a minute or so to go ) that " You just cost me my career! ". Fairly poor form if that is the case.

On a side note, the journo that broke the "parted ways" story must surely now be under soem sort of scrutiny as to his actions? It may be that his mail was correct and the Richmond meeting ( Senior players,Wallace,CEO ) got wind of it and thought they would not go through with the sacking as it may/may not have been rfeported already. Either way, crap effort by the journo and I bet he has a major case of egg on his face this morning.

[JK]

On AA this morning Bone McDermott suggested Wallace told Morton ( after the loss to Port where Morton sprayed one OOF with a minute or so to go ) that " You just cost me my career! ". Fairly poor form if that is the case.

On a side note, the journo that broke the "parted ways" story must surely now be under soem sort of scrutiny as to his actions? It may be that his mail was correct and the Richmond meeting ( Senior players,Wallace,CEO ) got wind of it and thought they would not go through with the sacking as it may/may not have been rfeported already. Either way, crap effort by the journo and I bet he has a major case of egg on his face this morning.

The stuff-up will probably come in handy for players and coaches who get heavily scrutinised in the media for any mistakes made, as they can return fire and highlight mistakes made by the media.

[Pag]

Morton looks to be one who has a serious x-factor about him that I rate, problem is he'll need to find some consistency to his game pretty soon.

There is a good footballer within Morton, but when he does things like playing on to kick a winning goal and be a hero from 60 out, when your team is in front, inside the last 90 seconds, is selfish. He didn't need to, just wants to be a hero. Glad he got dropped a couple of weeks back.

I think Wallace has lost the support of the players, but I don't necessarily think it's his fault that we're in the position we are. AFL footballers are supposed to hit targets. Not hitting targets has nothing to do with the 'game plan', it's do to do with the cattle not being good enough. We made stupid mistakes, and have a lot of guys who aren't good enough at the level. Plow has stuck with them, unfortunately for him, and they haven't been delivered. Tambling, Schulz, Hughes, Oakley-Nicholls, Simmonds are the first to spring to mind. The recruiting staff have to take responsibility for it, as do the players themselves, and Plow. It is not ALL his fault though.

It's unfortunate that he won't see the year out, but I hope the club head straight to Nathan Buckley. Unless he has already been told by Eddie that he's the heir to the Malthouse throne, I would think he'd enjoy the challenge of trying to turn our club around.

On AA this morning Bone McDermott suggested Wallace told Morton ( after the loss to Port where Morton sprayed one OOF with a minute or so to go ) that " You just cost me my career! ". Fairly poor form if that is the case.

McDermott is an idiot. I wouldn't think he would've been in the meeting behind closed doors after the game. It's people like him that give the media a distinct lack of respct from players and coaches.

[Sojourner]

On a side note, the journo that broke the "parted ways" story must surely now be under soem sort of scrutiny as to his actions? It may be that his mail was correct and the Richmond meeting ( Senior players,Wallace,CEO ) got wind of it and thought they would not go through with the sacking as it may/may not have been rfeported already. Either way, crap effort by the journo and I bet he has a major case of egg on his face this morning.

A chap I work with is quite confident that it was leaked from the club to encourage him to fall on his sword so that the club would not pay him out for the rest of the season......

[aceman]

On a side note, the journo that broke the "parted ways" story must surely now be under soem sort of scrutiny as to his actions? It may be that his mail was correct and the Richmond meeting ( Senior players,Wallace,CEO ) got wind of it and thought they would not go through with the sacking as it may/may not have been rfeported already. Either way, crap effort by the journo and I bet he has a major case of egg on his face this morning.

A chap I work with is quite confident that it was leaked from the club to encourage him to fall on his sword so that the club would not pay him out for the rest of the season......

Terry Wallace is not that silly to do that, give him credit for at least having some sense. I'd suggest he'd go by the theory, you want me to leave, then you will pay me to leave!

[JK]

It's unfortunate that he won't see the year out, but I hope the club head straight to Nathan Buckley. Unless he has already been told by Eddie that he's the heir to the Malthouse throne, I would think he'd enjoy the challenge of trying to turn our club around.

In which case could favourite son and premiership backman Malthouse join favourite son and premiership backman Sheedy at Punt Rd next season?

[stan]

It's unfortunate that he won't see the year out, but I hope the club head straight to Nathan Buckley. Unless he has already been told by Eddie that he's the heir to the Malthouse throne, I would think he'd enjoy the challenge of trying to turn our club around.

In which case could favourite son and premiership backman Malthouse join favourite son and premiership backman Sheedy at Punt Rd next season?

They would need them both to pull them out of this crap!
They need a entire culture change!

[Hondo]

And whose fault is that? The coach is largely responsible for the players they draft. Certainly he makes the final call, so he can't complain about a poor list when he's the one who assembled it.

I don't think it's as clear cut as that anymore since clubs beefed up their recruiting departments. I think the coach these days is very reliant on his recruiting manager, even though he may give the final sign off. The coach has no chance of putting in the same hours on new recruits research as the recruiting manager so probably has to extend a lot more trust in others than they did 20 years ago.

Plus there's the evolution of the football manager role. They seem to wield more power around the club than the coach these days, at some clubs.

Clubs seem to be set up with specialist areas so aren't so reliant on the senior coach (one guy) to do everything. More and more, the coach just does what he's specialist at - coaching the players he's given.

This is why I think supporters are behind the times and over-simplify things when they pin all the blame or accolades on one single guy (the coach) when he's part of a bigger team in the modern day AFL club.

[nuggety goodness]

It's unfortunate that he won't see the year out, but I hope the club head straight to Nathan Buckley. Unless he has already been told by Eddie that he's the heir to the Malthouse throne, I would think he'd enjoy the challenge of trying to turn our club around.

In which case could favourite son and premiership backman Malthouse join favourite son and premiership backman Sheedy at Punt Rd next season?

They would need them both to pull them out of this crap!
They need a entire culture change!

there's that culture word comin up again. here's my spin on culture

a footy clubs culture is defined by the people associated with the club. Geelong has a winning culture and Richmond has a losing culture, mainly because that's what's been happening at those clubs for a little while. hypothetically if you swapped the players from Richmond to Geelong and vice versa, would the culture change at each club?!? of course it would, Geelong would start losing matches and Richmond would start winning therefore changing the culture. players who get recruited to Geelong go there expecting to win a lot more than they lose, and young blokes who get picked up by Richmond think the total opposite and until the results on field change attitudes won't.

there's my opinion on it all...

[JK]

Excellent call NG, I've waited a long time for someone to offer up a definition for culture and your version makes very good sense.

[dedja]

'Culture' is very hard to define ... and change.

The best culture examples of recent times are obviously Geelong in the AFL and Central locally.

Central were a laughing stock when I was growing up ... yes they would win games and sometimes even make the finals, but you always knew you had their measure when it came to big games. Who really believed that they would win the flag in '79?

While it kills me to say so, the last 15 years or so have seen a complete turnaround ... they managed to bottle that unique genie culture, just like those bloody SANFL magpies had done for a million years (it seems). With this 'magic', you don't need the most talented side, you bind a committed group of men to a common goal who believe in themselves and know exactly what to do when the pressure is on or in big games.

Look at most of us now ... there would hardly be a person on Earth who hasn't already factored Central to be in this year's GF and then to win it easily. This respect and fear of them had been bred by the culture instilled in the club over those 15 years.

Richmond need to look at what Geelong, Central and others have done to change ... not just playing personnel or board membership or support staff, but to change the culture.

Amen.

[Punk Rooster]

From SANFL Live Scores Thread:

Mitch stuffed up against the Power and Wallace had allegedly said to him "you have just cost me my career".

That is pathetic if Wallace said that, because he's had 5 years to build & prepare his list- his career shouldn't hang on 1 shot & goal.
Wallace is the only one who believes his own hype- that he's a great coach (& the Richmond Board of 5 years ago for a mad month...)

[gadj1976]

press conference at 12.00 Melb time today.