Round 8: Brisbane vs Adelaide

[FD88]

Agreed, if we're going to have a rough time of it this season we may as well dispense with Dogga. Jacky has put up a few strong performances in the SANFL this year and Cooky is in the mix.

[Columbo]

JJ's first couple of games with the Eagles this year were outstanding, since he missed a game because he went away with the team as the travelling emergency his performances havent been as consistent.

[Blue Boy]

HMMMMMMM !!!

Mumbles has no back up plan - sides have worked us out !!!

Time for change !!!

[Farmy]

Has nothing to do with Gameplan has everything to do with under performing senior players.

[Psyber]

It looks to me like it has something to do with a style that exhausts even very fit players before the game is over.
It worked until the other teams woke up to it and got fitter too.

[stan]

It looks to me like it has something to do with a style that exhausts even very fit players before the game is over.
It worked until the other teams woke up to it and got fitter too.

The problem was once the Plan A was worked out, there was no plan B. Voss was able to, at half time, change is plan. They put the pressure back on the crows, which in turn shut down there game plan. All I can say about that is at half time Voss change his teams approach to the game. Went to plan B. Now I liked Voss as a player, and I like him as a coach, as hes not bad, has some good ideas and seems to really understand his football. But Craig, dosent seem to be able to react to what happens right now!

Anyway from that game you can take this away:

Taylor Walker is going to be a very good player, but my word he is raw and needs some time. Tippet has to play as the first ruck. He is by far the best ruckman in the team. Very competative when he is on and runing. Also Moran is a good second ruckman. The problem is that forward position. Walker will be good, and Prop is very good as well. You just need that one domiant big man. Tippett needs to be in the ruck with his ability, I mean hes almost another on baller the way he can move around!

The crows seem to have players like Gill, Hentschell, Walker(at the moment that is) and Porps which all would be very good working around another big man and taking the 2nd and 3rd best defenders.

Still there are some good signs for the crows. Players like McKay, Dangerfield, Walker, Otten and Vince are starting to develop. The problem is with the likes of Knights, Van Berlo and Douglas just not getting to that next step at the moment.

Anyway I feel the crows really need a season where they finish 12 -14th. They really need that. Need to have a look at there list.

Thats just my opinion.

[Booney]

Has nothing to do with Gameplan has everything to do with under performing senior players.

The problem is it is only the senior players who are in form.

The likes of Johncok,Doughty,Reilly,Knights,Stevens are the ones who need to lift.

McLeod was in vintage form a month ago, slightly down now,Edwards has been on fire for the last month and Goodwin was good on Saturday night.

[Swooper16]

A big problem for the crows i think is that their 2 best ball winners (Thompson & Van Berlo) usually butcher it.

[Farmy]

Has nothing to do with Gameplan has everything to do with under performing senior players.

The problem is it is only the senior players who are in form.

The likes of Johncok,Doughty,Reilly,Knights,Stevens are the ones who need to lift.

McLeod was in vintage form a month ago, slightly down now,Edwards has been on fire for the last month and Goodwin was good on Saturday night.

Johncok,Doughty,Reilly,Knights,Stevens are senior players, that is who I am talking about. Mcleod was not in vintage form "a month ago" he played one good game in round 1 and that has been it for the year. Goodwin has played some average for most of the season bar a couple of good games, including saturday's game, Edwards has been great this year, except for the last 2 rounds where he has been crap and average due to injury/being underdone.

Knights has been good last 2 weeks, was BOG against the bulldogs. And if you say knights has to lift, then Van Berlo definitely has to lift up to the bloody moon.

[Dirko]

Don't fret lads, you play Carlton this week, who have trouble playing the game style that the Crows play. You'll win that then all will be forgiven......

[Interceptor]

Knights has been good last 2 weeks, was BOG against the bulldogs. And if you say knights has to lift, then Van Berlo definitely has to lift up to the bloody moon.

Sorry, but there's no way in the Wide World of Sports he was BOG in that game.
Sure he did well after being out for a while, but not when the heat was still in the game.

Again on Saturday night, he was quiet in the 3rd when we needed him the most.

[Hondo]

HMMMMMMM !!!

Mumbles has no back up plan - sides have worked us out !!!

Time for change !!!

If only it were that simple. Have a look at how Malthouse (great coach, no disrepsect intended) is travelling with Collingwood's injury hit side

You gotta have the guns in your team and, once you have them, the coaches look like geniuses. We lack guns, especially in the midfield and up forward. I never expected us to beat Brisbane anyway, even though the fade out was very disappointing.

Even if you don't rate NC, he has some very good assistants including Viney. I simply cannot accept all those coaches are going into games with only 1 single plan and hoping for the best. It's been an urban myth perpetuated ever since Rucci's article in 2007!

[stan]

HMMMMMMM !!!

Mumbles has no back up plan - sides have worked us out !!!

Time for change !!!

If only it were that simple. Unfortunately for some historically underperforming clubs, they have also thought that switching the senior coach is all you need to do. Get some guru in and it will fix all your recruiting, rehab, skills, etc and all will be well again!

Have a look at how Malthouse (great coach, no disrepsect intended) is travelling with Collingwood's injury hit side

You gotta have the guns in your team and, once you have them, the coaches look like geniuses. We lack guns, especially in the midfield and up forward. I never expected us to beat Brisbane anyway, even though the fade out was very disappointing.

Even if you don't rate NC, he has some very good assistants including Viney. I simply cannot accept all those coaches are going into games with only 1 single plan and hoping for the best. It's been an urban myth perpetuated ever since Rucci's article in 2007!

What do you suggest then mate?
Or I should say what do you suggest in getting those guns?

[Hondo]

What do you suggest then mate?
Or I should say what do you suggest in getting those guns?

we have no option but to put our faith in the recruiting dept - the last 2 drafts have been good. We've got a big gap in our list in the 23-27 age group due to the drafting from 1999 - 2004 and there's no silver bullet that can solve it! Swapping coaches won't find them.

Then we have to properly develop the young guys. The game time they are getting this year is invaluable even if it comes with some pain.

Not that i blame the rookies for the last 3 weeks - moreso our senior blokes.

Got to be patient this year & next IMO. That doesn't mean accepting sub-standing performances however.

[Gingernuts]

You know what I hate? People who are bagging the hell out of the gameplan because it isn't resulting in wins RIGHT NOW. These are the same people that say they are prepared to accept pain but as soon as it actually happens they want everyone sacked. That's no better than sitting at every game mindlessly yelling "kick the bloody thing."

Honestly, the most painful thing about a rebuild imo is seeing how soft, short-sighted and dim the bulk of your supporter base really is, and then having the airwaves smothered by their complaining. I can't even listen to the radio anymore, listening to people who haven't the slightest idea what's going on is infuriating. To the cats fans who sat through all the same crap - good on you for sticking it out.

Great comment FD88, totally agree with you.

On the game, it is a great source of frustration the way they played superbly for a half, then hopelessly for the next half. At the same time though this is what is perhaps most encouraging about the side the moment, the team is not crap from start to finish, they have shown glimpses of serious potential in every game they've played this year (bar the Showdown).

It's just game time and experience that helps players know what to do in those 'down periods' of a game. It will come, I've very confident that even by the end of this year we will be starting to see some very good 4 quarter performances, and most definitely by next season.

Also - for the record I actually thought Moran was quite good on the weekend, played better than Griffin has so far this year and on par with what Maric has been delivering when in the side. Again, you have to remember the bloke hasn't played a lot of football, give him some game time and I think he will develop into a very handy ruckman.

[JK]

Many people overlook the fact that most "game plans" are relatively similar .. There's certainly variations in different area's, but they are at least %50 the same.

Whilst it's an old cliche, one broken link renders a chain ineffective and I think most clubs are suffering through the same problem, not just the Crows.

Geelong's biggest asset imho, is that their 15th-24th best players on matchday are quality players who continue to contribute to their role - Most other teams don't have this luxury.