d.rodan & port power

[topsywaldron]

Rodan is a Port Adelaide player. End of story.

No wonder people are so happy Port Magpies are bottom and the Power on the verge of bankruptcy.

[therisingblues]

Pretty crappy situation this one. A few have tried to defend the Power by saying that the Crows have done exactly the same thing but no one seems to mind, hence Port are just copping flak because they are perceived as the bad guys. Yet no one has provided an example where the Crows have taken a player off a SANFL side after the reserves have started, which in affect would leave the league side a player short.
Question: Have the Crows ever left a SANFL side a player short by taking him while that side's reserves have a match in progress?
As Constance says, it is a two way street. If either of the AFL sides want to use the SANFL for their reserves to get a run then they need to treat the comp with a little respect. Remember that there are 9 sides trying to win a flag and they want to do everything they can to get an advantage, they aren't there just to feed the AFL.

[Mic]

The simple solution is to have the rule that has been suggested on here that no player can be taken once the reserves game starts (or something like 4 hours before the league starts). If something like that was in place this would never have happened.

[heater31]

Pretty crappy situation this one. A few have tried to defend the Power by saying that the Crows have done exactly the same thing but no one seems to mind, hence Port are just copping flak because they are perceived as the bad guys. Yet no one has provided an example where the Crows have taken a player off a SANFL side after the reserves have started, which in affect would leave the league side a player short.
Question: Have the Crows ever left a SANFL side a player short by taking him while that side's reserves have a match in progress?
As Constance says, it is a two way street. If either of the AFL sides want to use the SANFL for their reserves to get a run then they need to treat the comp with a little respect. Remember that there are 9 sides trying to win a flag and they want to do everything they can to get an advantage, they aren't there just to feed the AFL.

nope the crows have done the opposite about 2 years ago, Ivan Maric played for the Magpies on the Saturday then had to back up for the Crows on the Sunday at Footy Park. One of the ruckmen injured themselves in the Saturday morning training session and Maric wasn't even named as one of the emergencies and the club had to wear a hefty fine as a result IIRC

[goraw]

having a think about it, wouldnt it be better , that the 3 emergencies named are not permitted to play SANFL league for that weekend, just in the seconds. will stop ALL confusion and the 3 players get the fittness and form , which the AFL are only using the SANFL for anyway?

[JK]

having a think about it, wouldnt it be better , that the 3 emergencies named are not permitted to play SANFL league for that weekend, just in the seconds. will stop ALL confusion and the 3 players get the fittness and form , which the AFL are only using the SANFL for anyway?

That's an interesting suggestion mate .. You'd think the AFL clubs would be heavily opposed to it, but I reckon there's a bit of lateral thinking used to come up with that as an additional option.

[goraw]

having a think about it, wouldnt it be better , that the 3 emergencies named are not permitted to play SANFL league for that weekend, just in the seconds. will stop ALL confusion and the 3 players get the fittness and form , which the AFL are only using the SANFL for anyway?

That's an interesting suggestion mate .. You'd think the AFL clubs would be heavily opposed to it, but I reckon there's a bit of lateral thinking used to come up with that as an additional option.

well even though rodan is a port player, it still was a bad situation for norwood to be in. plus what argument do the AFL clubs have? they are using our league for fittness and form, well they can have it through where we choose.bit of give and take IMO.

[Hondo]

having a think about it, wouldnt it be better , that the 3 emergencies named are not permitted to play SANFL league for that weekend, just in the seconds. will stop ALL confusion and the 3 players get the fittness and form , which the AFL are only using the SANFL for anyway?

It seems a sensible idea however I expect the SANFL club would like the AFL player in their league team and the AFL team wants them playing at the highest possible standard. What if it's round 23 and the SANFL club chasing a finals spot loses someone (named as an AFL emergency) who's played all 19 games up until then and has been a key player? Also, when the times the emergency is taken over and doesn't play there's a similar outcry in SANFL ranks.

As for the idea that if the reserves game has started the player is off limits - is it any better for the SANFL team if it happens 1 hour before the reserves game? Maybe slightly, but not much. How much is enough notice? 2 hours?

All these ideas are biased towards the SANFL team which is undertandable on an SANFL forum. However, we also have to think about it from the POV of the AFL player. Should they be denied an AFL game because of some rigid rule that benefits the SANFL team. How much will his heart be in it? That applies to the home grown players as much as the imports. It could be their one chance to show what they've got in the AFL, and could impact their whole AFL career if it's round 22. Should we deny them that chance because the SANFL club can't find a last minute replacement and because we want them in our SANFL team?

I sure as hell would want to play at the G (hypothetically) if I had a chance and would be dirty if some time limit rule had me stuck out at Noarlunga.

I think the interests of the player get lost a bit as they become pawns in arguments about the AFL v SANFL. I don't think one single post yet as talked about what was best for David Rodan.

[goraw]

having a think about it, wouldnt it be better , that the 3 emergencies named are not permitted to play SANFL league for that weekend, just in the seconds. will stop ALL confusion and the 3 players get the fittness and form , which the AFL are only using the SANFL for anyway?

It seems a sensible idea however I expect the SANFL club would like the AFL player in their league team and the AFL team wants them playing at the highest possible standard. What if it's round 23 and the SANFL club chasing a finals spot loses someone (named as an AFL emergency) who's played all 19 games up until then and has been a key player? Also, when the times the emergency is taken over and doesn't play there's a similar outcry in SANFL ranks.

As for the idea that if the reserves game has started the player is off limits - is it any better for the SANFL team if it happens 1 hour before the reserves game? Maybe slightly, but not much. How much is enough notice? 2 hours?

All these ideas are biased towards the SANFL team which is undertandable on an SANFL forum. However, we also have to think about it from the POV of the AFL player. Should they be denied an AFL game because of some rigid rule that benefits the SANFL team. How much will his heart be in it? That applies to the home grown players as much as the imports. It could be their one chance to show what they've got in the AFL, and could impact their whole AFL career if it's round 22. Should we deny them that chance because the SANFL club can't find a last minute replacement and because we want them in our SANFL team?

I sure as hell would want to play at the G (hypothetically) if I had a chance and would be dirty if some time limit rule had me stuck out at Noarlunga.

I think the interests of the player get lost a bit as they become pawns in arguments about the AFL v SANFL. I don't think one single post yet as talked about what was best for David Rodan.

all ur points are flawed by the fact , whoever they want in whatever round, as emergencies, we have to live bye it. if u want to play a player in our comp , they get to play at 11am.how will his heart be in it?if he wants to be an AFL player, his heart will be in it.in round 22, if there AFL life is on the line in round 22, well good luck .u have had a whole season to prove ur worth, plus ur coach has had a very good look at him throught the season, wherever his played.

look, its easy.call a player an emergency , he playes seconds, take him when u want, end of story. SANFL dont care , we have a fantastic comp as it is.

[Hondo]

all ur points are flawed by the fact , whoever they want in whatever round, as emergencies, we have to live bye it. if u want to play a player in our comp , they get to play at 11am.how will his heart be in it?if he wants to be an AFL player, his heart will be in it.in round 22, if there AFL life is on the line in round 22, well good luck .u have had a whole season to prove ur worth, plus ur coach has had a very good look at him throught the season, wherever his played.

look, its easy.call a player an emergency , he playes seconds, take him when u want, end of story. SANFL dont care , we have a fantastic comp as it is.

Problems like the Rodan one happen, what, 5% of the time? Yet, because it happens occasionally, you want set some major, rigid rule that really helps no-one and leaves 6 guys stuck in the SANFL reserves. Great.

I reckon you have some flexibility so the SANFL club benefits (most of time) with the AFL player in their side, and then deal with the last minute emergencies as best you can. Last minute problems will always happen and even the best laid plans/system will break down if there is a very late withdrawal.

Your idea sounds nice in theory but you wait until the first weekend when 6 AFL players get dropped down to SANFL reserves and you wait for the outcry from SANFL fans. Goraw and his great idea will be run out of town

[Macca19]

all ur points are flawed by the fact , whoever they want in whatever round, as emergencies, we have to live bye it. if u want to play a player in our comp , they get to play at 11am.how will his heart be in it?if he wants to be an AFL player, his heart will be in it.in round 22, if there AFL life is on the line in round 22, well good luck .u have had a whole season to prove ur worth, plus ur coach has had a very good look at him throught the season, wherever his played.

look, its easy.call a player an emergency , he playes seconds, take him when u want, end of story. SANFL dont care , we have a fantastic comp as it is.

Considering the AFL clubs end of year dividend to SANFL teams pays their entire salary cap and then some, I really dont see how pissing off the AFL clubs and saying 'we dont care, we dont want your players anyway, you can play them in the reserves' is going to achieve much. Im sure guys like Lower, Griffin, Shirley, Davenport and co. who are on the verge of breaking into the AFL side would be stoked that because they are emergencies they get to play reserves grade football. Absolutely non-sensical.

[smac]

You've raised the dividend as a bargaining chip a couple of times now Macca. I think you will find that they are bound to pay this as part of their licence conditions, rather than choosing to.

They may seek to change licence conditions but when it comes to cash, they'd be hard pressed to get support for a reduction in dividend.

[auto]

all ur points are flawed by the fact , whoever they want in whatever round, as emergencies, we have to live bye it. if u want to play a player in our comp , they get to play at 11am.how will his heart be in it?if he wants to be an AFL player, his heart will be in it.in round 22, if there AFL life is on the line in round 22, well good luck .u have had a whole season to prove ur worth, plus ur coach has had a very good look at him throught the season, wherever his played.

look, its easy.call a player an emergency , he playes seconds, take him when u want, end of story. SANFL dont care , we have a fantastic comp as it is.

Problems like the Rodan one happen, what, 5% of the time? Yet, because it happens occasionally, you want set some major, rigid rule that really helps no-one and leaves 6 guys stuck in the SANFL reserves. Great.

I reckon you have some flexibility so the SANFL club benefits (most of time) with the AFL player in their side, and then deal with the last minute emergencies as best you can. Last minute problems will always happen and even the best laid plans/system will break down if there is a very late withdrawal.

Your idea sounds nice in theory but you wait until the first weekend when 6 AFL players get dropped down to SANFL reserves and you wait for the outcry from SANFL fans. Goraw and his great idea will be run out of town

Good call Hondo, For something that happens very rarely you cant go making major changes. Obviously the coaching staff made a judgement call on Shaun Burgoyne being right to play, which wasnt to be and had to unfortunately pull Rodan from the redlegs game. My suggestion, when the line is too fine on a player that may miss the game, hold a player back in reserve. No major changes just a bit of common sense.

[JK]

all ur points are flawed by the fact , whoever they want in whatever round, as emergencies, we have to live bye it. if u want to play a player in our comp , they get to play at 11am.how will his heart be in it?if he wants to be an AFL player, his heart will be in it.in round 22, if there AFL life is on the line in round 22, well good luck .u have had a whole season to prove ur worth, plus ur coach has had a very good look at him throught the season, wherever his played.

look, its easy.call a player an emergency , he playes seconds, take him when u want, end of story. SANFL dont care , we have a fantastic comp as it is.

Problems like the Rodan one happen, what, 5% of the time? Yet, because it happens occasionally, you want set some major, rigid rule that really helps no-one and leaves 6 guys stuck in the SANFL reserves. Great.

I reckon you have some flexibility so the SANFL club benefits (most of time) with the AFL player in their side, and then deal with the last minute emergencies as best you can. Last minute problems will always happen and even the best laid plans/system will break down if there is a very late withdrawal.

Your idea sounds nice in theory but you wait until the first weekend when 6 AFL players get dropped down to SANFL reserves and you wait for the outcry from SANFL fans. Goraw and his great idea will be run out of town

Good call Hondo, For something that happens very rarely you cant go making major changes. Obviously the coaching staff made a judgement call on Shaun Burgoyne being right to play, which wasnt to be and had to unfortunately pull Rodan from the redlegs game. My suggestion, when the line is too fine on a player that may miss the game, hold a player back in reserve. No major changes just a bit of common sense.

I think that's the best suggestion yet AW .. As I said before, I don't think it needs to be a big issue and something like you've said above seems the most sensible approach.

[nickname]

I detest the contempt shown by some AFL clubs to state league clubs as much as anyone, but isn't this just part of the deal?
SANFL clubs get, generally, a quality player at no cost. The compromise is that sometimes they may be sulking a bit over being dropped, and they may be pulled from your side at short notice. If you don't like that deal, don't draft them.

[Squawk]

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

In a word, no.

After 14 weeks, Burgoyne is fit to be picked again. An injury that was not going to cause him to miss a game, became a 1 week injury, then a 2 week injury, and eventually, a 14 week injury. This week, Power might get a phone call saying Rodan will play for Norwood on Saturday and they can call up a spare player from Westies (who have the bye) - if one is available.

[Thiele]

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

In a word, no.

After 14 weeks, Burgoyne is fit to be picked again. An injury that was not going to cause him to miss a game, became a 1 week injury, then a 2 week injury, and eventually, a 14 week injury. This week, Power might get a phone call saying Rodan will play for Norwood on Saturday and they can call up a spare player from Westies (who have the bye) - if one is available.

Pettigrew is available

[Squawk]

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

In a word, no.

After 14 weeks, Burgoyne is fit to be picked again. An injury that was not going to cause him to miss a game, became a 1 week injury, then a 2 week injury, and eventually, a 14 week injury. This week, Power might get a phone call saying Rodan will play for Norwood on Saturday and they can call up a spare player from Westies (who have the bye) - if one is available.

Pettigrew is available

He'll do!