d.rodan & port power

[redandblack]

Thanks for that, Thiele.

[fester69]

While the 9 SANFL clubs continue to be pi**weak and bow submissively to their AFL masters then nothing will happen.

At least Rodan is playing.

[Hondo]

We already know the interchange system isn't perfect and this is not the first time this has happened, and won't be the last. The system really can come unstuck when it's a Friday night SANFL game.

What were the alternatives (given that Burgoyne was a late scratching and Rodan was obviously next in line)?

- Keep Rodan out as the 23rd player for Port, just in case? In hindsight, yes. However, Port wanted him to have a run and Norwood would have wanted him too. Doesn't help anybody if he plays for neither side, but possibly should have been done.
- the Friday night game is off limits for Power and Crows players (for late withdrawals)? Well, given Rodan is a Power player and was needed they have to get first call on him.
- Let him play for Norwood and then make him play for the Power? Suits Norwood, but not fair on Rodan.
- Notify Norwood earlier? This is the obvious solution but it depends on what exactly happened to Burgoyne.

IF there was no earlier notice that Port could have given Norwood, then the system is the system. IF there was no earlier notice .... that, to me, is the issue. If Burgoyne was known to be under a cloud then Port should have withdrawn him with much more notice than they did.

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

I still wonder if the AFL listed players should be forced to only be SANFL reserves but, again, that doesn't really help the AFL team, the SANFL team or the player. I'm yet to hear about a better system, other than having a combined reserves side for Port and Adelaide and have it play the SANFL team that has the bye.

[Dutchy]

SANFL teams can always play these players in the ressies

[fester69]

Very easy to fix actually, the cut-off time for an AFL listed player to be removed from his SANFL side is first bounce of the reserves game. Simple.

[Squawk]

If Burgoyne was known to be under a cloud then Port should have withdrawn him with much more notice than they did.

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

I'm certain that S Burgoyne was listed as injured (leg) after the game last week as I was wondering if we would lose Lower and Rodan with three Power outs possible on the assumption Cassisi and P Burgoyne would be reported on video evidence and suspended.

So Port have known all week he was "in doubt".

When did Port fly to Melbourne - yesterday? Did S Burgoyne go? (Yes I presume). Did he "break down" in a training run and if so, at what time? If we got advised at 7pm, that is 730pm in Melbourne and I cant see the Power training at that time (in the dark) for a day game today.

Assume he got injured and afterwards the selectors took 30minutes to make their mind up on his replacement before they make the call. That means that at the latest, the call was made at 730pm Melb time, and the injury was at 7pm Melbourne time.

I'd say they had a light training run at around 3pm when Burgoyne pulled up sore or failed a fitness test. The late notification spells of spite in the wake of meetings with the SANFL this week.

BTW - was there another travelling emergency who hasn't played today?

[smac]

From what I heard today (from someone who has access to such information), Port were aware for 3 hours before making the phone call. Poor form if true.

[Macca19]

We already know the interchange system isn't perfect and this is not the first time this has happened, and won't be the last. The system really can come unstuck when it's a Friday night SANFL game.

What were the alternatives (given that Burgoyne was a late scratching and Rodan was obviously next in line)?

- Keep Rodan out as the 23rd player for Port, just in case? In hindsight, yes. However, Port wanted him to have a run and Norwood would have wanted him too. Doesn't help anybody if he plays for neither side, but possibly should have been done.
- the Friday night game is off limits for Power and Crows players (for late withdrawals)? Well, given Rodan is a Power player and was needed they have to get first call on him.
- Let him play for Norwood and then make him play for the Power? Suits Norwood, but not fair on Rodan.
- Notify Norwood earlier? This is the obvious solution but it depends on what exactly happened to Burgoyne.

IF there was no earlier notice that Port could have given Norwood, then the system is the system. IF there was no earlier notice .... that, to me, is the issue. If Burgoyne was known to be under a cloud then Port should have withdrawn him with much more notice than they did.

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

I still wonder if the AFL listed players should be forced to only be SANFL reserves but, again, that doesn't really help the AFL team, the SANFL team or the player. I'm yet to hear about a better system, other than having a combined reserves side for Port and Adelaide and have it play the SANFL team that has the bye.

Burgoyne didnt play the last quarter last week with the leg injury. He trained during the week and they took him to Melbourne expecting him to be right. Peter Rohde was on ABC radio this morning and said that he trained yesterday in Melbourne, and trained well, but pulled up very sore a couple hours later, so thats when they made the decision to pull Rodan and take him to Melbourne. I dont know their travel arrangements, but I assume they would have flew over yesterday before lunch, had a training session mid-late afternoon, so if Shaun has pulled up sore a couple hours later, then its most likely going to be pretty late in the piece in terms of the friday night game.

To my knowledge, Davenport was meant to be the travelling emergency I think with Rodan playing for Norwood. Shaun out Rodan in is more like for like than if Davenport played.

Unfortunately it happens. Rodan played. Its not like he was taken out for the sake of it just to piss off an SANFL club.

[topsywaldron]

Its not like he was taken out for the sake of it just to piss off an SANFL club.

The point you're conveniently ignoring is that it wasn't about Rodan being pulled *, it was when he was pulled*.

If, as Smac says, Rodan could have been withdrawn three hours before it lends credence to the theory that Port didn't take too well to some of the feedback they received during the week from the SANFL clubs and decided to teach them a lesson.

[Big Phil]

On 5AA this morning a listener emailed in complaining about the Power and how they handled the Rodan situation.

Rucci's response was the Port were not to know that a player was going to hurt themselves at training which is a totally fine point.

But the point he failed to acknowledge was that the Power didn't train 1/2 hour before the bounce of the Norwood v North game and had more than 3 hours to notify Trevor Hill that Rodan was being withdrawn.

Terrible situation and very dissapointing with how Port Power handled the situation, clearly a lack of common sense communication skills.

[The Sleeping Giant]

well actually i backed north at $2.40....i think it is unfair & would hate to see it happen to glenelg or indeed again, you could say norwood played one player short, i wonder what chocko would think if 9 league clubs played their players in the 2's

If I recall correctly, a couple of years ago an over zealous interchange steward, and the Norwood coaching staff refused to let two NAFC players take the field because of red tape. North went on to win with 19 players. Some hippy type people might say it is karma. I say get on with it. Stop whinging about every little thing.

[Macca19]

Its not like he was taken out for the sake of it just to piss off an SANFL club.

The point you're conveniently ignoring is that it wasn't about Rodan being pulled *, it was when he was pulled*.

If, as Smac says, Rodan could have been withdrawn three hours before it lends credence to the theory that Port didn't take too well to some of the feedback they received during the week from the SANFL clubs and decided to teach them a lesson.

With respect to smac, there is nothing to suggest this is at all true. As Rohde said on radio, Shaun trained fine, but then pulled up sore a few hours after training which is when they made the decision to call up Rodan.

The 'didnt take well to feedback' just isnt really worth commenting on to be honest.

[Macca19]

But the point he failed to acknowledge was that the Power didn't train 1/2 hour before the bounce of the Norwood v North game and had more than 3 hours to notify Trevor Hill that Rodan was being withdrawn.

And the point that Ports football manager made on radio today is that Shaun pulled up sore a few hours after training had finished and thats when the decision was made. If Port trained at 3-4 which is probable, then Shaun pulling up sore would put it into the awkward time frame where the call was made. I have more reason to believe that than some talk of being pissed off at feedback from a meeting.

[Barto]

But the point he failed to acknowledge was that the Power didn't train 1/2 hour before the bounce of the Norwood v North game and had more than 3 hours to notify Trevor Hill that Rodan was being withdrawn.

And the point that Ports football manager made on radio today is that Shaun pulled up sore a few hours after training had finished and thats when the decision was made. If Port trained at 3-4 which is probable, then Shaun pulling up sore would put it into the awkward time frame where the call was made. I have more reason to believe that than some talk of being pissed off at feedback from a meeting.

Always defending the indefensible with your club. If Rodan was an emergency for a traveling team, why the hell was he suited up and ready to play for Norwood anyway?

Port MUST have known more than an hour before he was due to play for Norwood that he would be required to travel to Melbourne.

[G]

A few years ago I travelled and stayed in the same Motel as the Crows and they trained on a Friday night at a college oval near the Motel and only started training at about 5 or 5.30.
After about an hour everything was over, but that would make it impossible to inform the local sides of changes before a friday night Reserves match !!!!!!!!!
Therefore if they came off the track at 6.30 then back to the Motel for showers etc and then cooling down before having Dinner, you can see they are pressed for time if something goes pear shape even allowing for the 30 min time diff.

[Squawk]

But the point he failed to acknowledge was that the Power didn't train 1/2 hour before the bounce of the Norwood v North game and had more than 3 hours to notify Trevor Hill that Rodan was being withdrawn.

And the point that Ports football manager made on radio today is that Shaun pulled up sore a few hours after training had finished and thats when the decision was made. If Port trained at 3-4 which is probable, then Shaun pulling up sore would put it into the awkward time frame where the call was made. I have more reason to believe that than some talk of being pissed off at feedback from a meeting.

Macca, the guy was injured in the last game and was listed as such. It sounds to me that if he did in fact pull up sore, that he probably didn't even train at all during the week and that Port gambled on him getting through a light run on Friday and the game on Saturday. The fact he pulled up sore after a week of being injured is hardly unsurprising.

Yes, he is Port's player. No, he wouldn't have won the game for Norwood. Yes, Port hoped S Burgoyne would 'get up' for the Hawthorn game. Yes, they should have known before 7pm local time that Rodan was needed.

Strange that Burgoyne didn't start feeling sore at 8pm instead of 7pm, isn't it? Or when he woke up on Saturday morning?

[Macca19]

But the point he failed to acknowledge was that the Power didn't train 1/2 hour before the bounce of the Norwood v North game and had more than 3 hours to notify Trevor Hill that Rodan was being withdrawn.

And the point that Ports football manager made on radio today is that Shaun pulled up sore a few hours after training had finished and thats when the decision was made. If Port trained at 3-4 which is probable, then Shaun pulling up sore would put it into the awkward time frame where the call was made. I have more reason to believe that than some talk of being pissed off at feedback from a meeting.

Always defending the indefensible with your club. If Rodan was an emergency for a traveling team, why the hell was he suited up and ready to play for Norwood anyway?

Port MUST have known more than an hour before he was due to play for Norwood that he would be required to travel to Melbourne.

Someone has to. Gets boring listening to the same people froth at the mouth about Port Adelaide all the time. Considering theres about 40 other people on this board happy to whinge and moan whenever Port Adelaide do anything - positive or negative, im quite happy taking the stance I am. Last year the club kept almost all emergencies from playing in the first half of the year and people whinged about that, that they werent getting a chance to use the players. Now its the opposite. They give Rodan a chance to play, assuming he'll be right to suit up for Norwood and an emergency happened. It happens. It doesnt happen on a weekly basis. Doesnt even happen on a monthly basis. Everyone immediately assumes the worst that it was all an evil plan to **** around Norwood. Is this any less pathetic an attitude than me defending the club? Wouldnt have thought so Its not even defending the club as I think Rodan shouldnt have been made available if this is the case, its stating the facts. The facts that were stated by Ports Football Manager, not what a couple of randoms on an internet site think happened. Have been numerous times over the past two years where the Crows have pulled players from their SANFL game on match day to use them as a late change. Nothing is ever mentioned about this in anywhere near the same venom that it is with the Power, even though its done just as often.

[Adelaide Hawk]

So, was Burgoyne a genuine very late injury surprise?

In a word, no.

[Adelaide Hawk]

[Someone has to. Gets boring listening to the same people froth at the mouth about Port Adelaide all the time.

Just as it has become boring over the years listening to Port Adelaide people defend everything the club has ever done. At least supporters of other clubs on this forum realise their clubs aren't perfect and are prepared to criticise them from time to time, but Port Adelaide people have his delusion that 100% of their club's actions are beyond reproach ... which, of course, they are not.

Support your club, yes. Defend them in the event of unfair criticism, yes. But when they clearly get something wrong, at least have the respect for others who aren't particularly pleased with it.

If Port Magpies had a player suited up and ready to play, and then the Adelaide Crows came along at the last moment and disrupted their team, you can bet anything that Port Adelaide would be screaming like stuck pigs about it.

[Dutchy]

I guess the question is why dont Port Power travel with an emergency every week?

cant they afford it?