Brogan v Lovett

[JK]

OK ... I was at the game on the weekend and don't recall seeing anything major between Brogan and Lovett (or anyone for that matter) - Can someone please explain what's happened and what he's been done for?

[Booney]

He has been done for "Rough Conduct". Absolute joke. He, and it was at walking pace, walked into Lovett at the end of the first quarter and gave Lovett some "arjy barjy and push and shove". Absolute joke.

Meanwhile Steve Johnson apparently didnt "attepmt" to strike Hodge, despite the fact a clenched fist was thrown at Hodge and missed by very little.

Rough Conduct? Rough treatment more like it.

[JK]

Unreal Whats becoming of the game ... There will be no big blokes out there someday just because their size creates greater impact.

[Footy Smart]

No need for Brogan to make contact and if he didnt act like a tool and try and be tough all the time he wouldnt have been reported/suspended....

[Booney]

Is that you Dale Mortimer?

[JK]

No need for Brogan to make contact and if he didnt act like a tool and try and be tough all the time he wouldnt have been reported/suspended....

Not suggesting he hasn't transgressed before, as many have, and received fair punishment for that, but I love the way he goes about his footy ... Big men are meant to be intimidating and I reckon he is (whilst still being a very accomplished ruckman).

[Swamp Donkey]

Brogan is a tool and he has got away with plenty prior to this so he certainly deserves what he gets

[JK]

Brogan is a tool and he has got away with plenty prior to this so he certainly deserves what he gets

Because of previous actions or because of what he did in this instance? I was lead to believe there was no video footage of it?

[Swamp Donkey]

because of previous actions. I didnt see this incident. Im being unjust I know, but I cant stand the guy!

[JK]

because of previous actions. I didnt see this incident. Im being unjust I know, but I cant stand the guy!

That's fair enough mate, good to read an honest opinion .. I have neither like nor dislike for him as a bloke (as I don't know him), but I rate him as a footballer and reckon he's been harshly treated in this instance from what I can make out.

As I understand it, Andy Lovett's evidence didn't help the big fella either ... Interesting

[Footy Smart]

Well its no secret that brogan targets the best on aller from each team and before the bounce runs over to him and bumps him.... then the next time he tries to bump him the bloke shows him the footy.... i think the tough act he puts on deflects from his ability and decreases his respectablity its commical for other teams to watch him carry on..... its all an act he is as tough as a squashed peanut on the footy field tough at the ball and tough at the player are 2 very different things

[JK]

Have we come that far that physical intimidation no longer plays a part in footy?

As for the bloke's onfield toughness, how could you argue either way - In this day and age there's very little they can do to show it without getting pounced upon by the umps and/or tribunal, this current instance proves that.

I'd argue that any Ruckman copping impact from other 100+ kilo blokes are indeed tough.

[Footy Smart]

Have we come that far that physical intimidation no longer plays a part in footy?

As for the bloke's onfield toughness, how could you argue either way - In this day and age there's very little they can do to show it without getting pounced upon by the umps and/or tribunal, this current instance proves that.

I'd argue that any Ruckman copping impact from other 100+ kilo blokes are indeed tough.

Not doubting his toughness im saying its his carry on pointing to his eayes saying he is going to kill him etc is comical and i would be embarrased if a player on my team acted like that... aslo the deliberate targeting of the other teams best on ballers is pointless..... lovett showed how tough he was when he got cleaned up by pettigrew and he sprayed him(week as piss act) he got up and kicked the goal!!!!!!!! port were lucky in that third quarter essendon are crap cos if it was any other side they would have been level at 3 qtr time

[JK]

Fair point about Port only being up against Essendon, agree with you there.

I dunno, the Pettigrew incident didn't fuss me because you live by the sword you die by it and Lovett had every reason in the world to give it back to him after kicking the goal.

I guess I just think that the more the game get's cleaned up, the more we seem to react to displays of emotion ... What Pettigrew did wouldn't have rated a mention 15 years ago and was no thuggish act, but now it gets a 2 minute segment on "On The Couch" devoted to it .. It's just one of the many things that happen in footy and I hope continue to happen.

[Footy Smart]

Fair point about Port only being up against Essendon, agree with you there.

I dunno, the Pettigrew incident didn't fuss me because you live by the sword you die by it and Lovett had every reason in the world to give it back to him after kicking the goal.

I guess I just think that the more the game get's cleaned up, the more we seem to react to displays of emotion ... What Pettigrew did wouldn't have rated a mention 15 years ago and was no thuggish act, but now it gets a 2 minute segment on "On The Couch" devoted to it .. It's just one of the many things that happen in footy and I hope continue to happen.

Yeah it was highleted in the game as well and i agree little incidents get highlighted there is no need for it in footy anymore.... the incident was reactionary as is the high tackle yes but his reaction was un called for.....

[JK]

Fair point about Port only being up against Essendon, agree with you there.

I dunno, the Pettigrew incident didn't fuss me because you live by the sword you die by it and Lovett had every reason in the world to give it back to him after kicking the goal.

I guess I just think that the more the game get's cleaned up, the more we seem to react to displays of emotion ... What Pettigrew did wouldn't have rated a mention 15 years ago and was no thuggish act, but now it gets a 2 minute segment on "On The Couch" devoted to it .. It's just one of the many things that happen in footy and I hope continue to happen.

Yeah it was highleted in the game as well and i agree little incidents get highlighted there is no need for it in footy anymore.... the incident was reactionary as is the high tackle yes but his reaction was un called for.....

I guess some people will view it that way, but for mine it's not meant to be a gentlemans game, gestures (verbal or otherwise) aren't something that should be removed from the game ... Next thing a player will get suspended for flipping someone off.

Same thing a few years back when Mark Johnson got penalised 50m for leaning over an opponent and saying "Get Up you weak Dog" ... Far too precious IMHO.

[Footy Smart]

Fair point about Port only being up against Essendon, agree with you there.

I dunno, the Pettigrew incident didn't fuss me because you live by the sword you die by it and Lovett had every reason in the world to give it back to him after kicking the goal.

I guess I just think that the more the game get's cleaned up, the more we seem to react to displays of emotion ... What Pettigrew did wouldn't have rated a mention 15 years ago and was no thuggish act, but now it gets a 2 minute segment on "On The Couch" devoted to it .. It's just one of the many things that happen in footy and I hope continue to happen.

Yeah it was highleted in the game as well and i agree little incidents get highlighted there is no need for it in footy anymore.... the incident was reactionary as is the high tackle yes but his reaction was un called for.....

I guess some people will view it that way, but for mine it's not meant to be a gentlemans game, gestures (verbal or otherwise) aren't something that should be removed from the game ... Next thing a player will get suspended for flipping someone off.

Same thing a few years back when Mark Johnson got penalised 50m for leaning over an opponent and saying "Get Up you weak Dog" ... Far too precious IMHO.

Comes down to sportsmanship.... that trype of behaviour isnt part of the game!!!!!!!! you play the game hard and fair shake hands and say well played.... that was hard or fair it was not neccesary and un sportsman like. When a legend of the game (james Hird) says its not good then it justified you would never see a champion acting like that

[Booney]

Has the age of proffesionalism changed that ethos ?

[JK]

Fair point about Port only being up against Essendon, agree with you there.

I dunno, the Pettigrew incident didn't fuss me because you live by the sword you die by it and Lovett had every reason in the world to give it back to him after kicking the goal.

I guess I just think that the more the game get's cleaned up, the more we seem to react to displays of emotion ... What Pettigrew did wouldn't have rated a mention 15 years ago and was no thuggish act, but now it gets a 2 minute segment on "On The Couch" devoted to it .. It's just one of the many things that happen in footy and I hope continue to happen.

Yeah it was highleted in the game as well and i agree little incidents get highlighted there is no need for it in footy anymore.... the incident was reactionary as is the high tackle yes but his reaction was un called for.....

I guess some people will view it that way, but for mine it's not meant to be a gentlemans game, gestures (verbal or otherwise) aren't something that should be removed from the game ... Next thing a player will get suspended for flipping someone off.

Same thing a few years back when Mark Johnson got penalised 50m for leaning over an opponent and saying "Get Up you weak Dog" ... Far too precious IMHO.

Comes down to sportsmanship.... that trype of behaviour isnt part of the game!!!!!!!! you play the game hard and fair shake hands and say well played.... that was hard or fair it was not neccesary and un sportsman like. When a legend of the game (james Hird) says its not good then it justified you would never see a champion acting like that

Oh yeah, but Im sure the likes of Barrassi or Nicholls would have a different view and they were both champions of the game ... Each to their own I guess, but there's no reason why Pettigrew and Lovett shouldn't have shaken hands after the game ... Like I said IMHO it's all getting a bit precious.

[The Girth]

will lovetts evidence at the tribunal come back to haunt him in the future. What happened to the code of silence between players is that also a thing of the past.