Do you support death sentances for arsonist, rapist?

[bayman]

btw they said on the news that if caught they'll be charged with murder & so they ought to be

[smithy]

Yep, So they should.
The people who get murdered or burnt alive don't have a 2nd chance so neither should the person guilty of the offence.

[TroyGFC]

Ok chuck them in a grotty prison and get inmates to beat them to an inch of their lifes every day.

[The Big Shrek]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

I'm with you bayman.

What is proven beyond doubt?

henious crimes

What does proven beyond doubt mean?

[bayman]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

I'm with you bayman.

What is proven beyond doubt?

henious crimes

What does proven beyond doubt mean?[/quote]

ffs it means exactly what it says PROVEN WITHOUT DOUBT

[The Big Shrek]

FFS there is always doubt, or is the all mighty bayman omnipresent?

[bayman]

FFS there is always doubt, or is the all mighty bayman omnipresent?

you see me walk into a place of business load up and kill people & you survive that is BEYOND DOUBT as you are an eyewitness

[Q.]

Shrek is spot on.

The State sets the example for it's citizens and State-sanctioned murder purveys the belief that killing can be justified.

It's easy to let emotions overcome rational thought in these situations.

[Mr66]

henious crimes

Like killing your wife and daughter?
Obviously no-one has accessed my link in an earlier post.
So here it is again, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

[bayman]

Shrek is spot on.

The State sets the example for it's citizens and State-sanctioned murder purveys the belief that killing can be justified.

It's easy to let emotions overcome rational thought in these situations.

people get away (to an extent) with 'justifiable homicide' now ie battered women, self protection etc

i understand what mr66 & tbs is saying i've been playing the devils advocate & you refuse to see the other point of the discussion which says you haven't an open mind

[Leaping Lindner]

henious crimes

Like killing your wife and daughter?
Obviously no-one has accessed my link in an earlier post.
So here it is again, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

Or killing a 12 girl....

http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/ergo/the_gun_alley_murder

[Mr66]

henious crimes

Like killing your wife and daughter?
Obviously no-one has accessed my link in an earlier post.
So here it is again, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

Or killing a 12 girl....

http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/ergo/the_gun_alley_murder

Good one LL.
I bet Mr Ross is relieved.

[Q.]

Shrek is spot on.

The State sets the example for it's citizens and State-sanctioned murder purveys the belief that killing can be justified.

It's easy to let emotions overcome rational thought in these situations.

people get away (to an extent) with 'justifiable homicide' now ie battered women, self protection etc

i understand what mr66 & tbs is saying i've been playing the devils advocate & you refuse to see the other point of the discussion which says you haven't an open mind

I'm open to the idea (ie. I accept that this point of view presents itself) that some people feel the need to satisfy their anger or hatred in seeking 'eye for eye' revenge, however, the facts are that State-sanctioned murder has a negative effect on society and I personally don't think we need to lower the standard of living in this country simply to satisfy this irrational desire.

[The Big Shrek]

FFS there is always doubt, or is the all mighty bayman omnipresent?

you see me walk into a place of business load up and kill people & you survive that is BEYOND DOUBT as you are an eyewitness

As the eye witness you may be certain, however it is a judge or jury who determines guilt and they must judge the credibility of the eyewitness and can never been entirely sure.

Furthermore even though the witness may be sure they may have been hallucinating, incorrectly identify the offender etc etc. There are an infinite number of ways the eyewitness could be wrong, even though they are very unlikely, but this is what makes the 'beyond any doubt whatsoever' threshold impassible.

[GWW]

As the eye witness you may be certain, however it is a judge or jury who determines guilt and they must judge the credibility of the eyewitness and can never been entirely sure.

Furthermore even though the witness may be sure they may have been hallucinating, incorrectly identify the offender etc etc. There are an infinite number of ways the eyewitness could be wrong, even though they are very unlikely, but this is what makes the 'beyond any doubt whatsoever' threshold impassible.

How much doubt do you have that Martin Bryant was guilty? John Glover? Brendan Abbott?

[JAS]

henious crimes

Like killing your wife and daughter?
Obviously no-one has accessed my link in an earlier post.
So here it is again, http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

Or killing a 12 girl....

http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/ergo/the_gun_alley_murder

Good one LL.
I bet Mr Ross is relieved.

...and a death penalty would probably have meant the death of women like this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Clark

Regards
JAS

[Leaping Lindner]

...and a death penalty would probably have meant the death of women like this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Clark

Regards
JAS

Another classic case. Not that I believe in the death penalty anyway but I have a huge problem with "beyond all doubt".

[smithy]

Shrek is spot on.

The State sets the example for it's citizens and State-sanctioned murder purveys the belief that killing can be justified.

It's easy to let emotions overcome rational thought in these situations.

Homicides actually increased with the abolition of the death penalty.
It was only the "insanity pleas" that decreased.
Does that suggest that the weak ba$tards that find the courage to kill someone are too scared to die themselves by pleading insanity?

[redden whites]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

Much like Lindy Chamberlain was?

[The Big Shrek]

Shrek is spot on.

The State sets the example for it's citizens and State-sanctioned murder purveys the belief that killing can be justified.

It's easy to let emotions overcome rational thought in these situations.

Homicides actually increased with the abolition of the death penalty.
It was only the "insanity pleas" that decreased.
Does that suggest that the weak ba$tards that find the courage to kill someone are too scared to die themselves by pleading insanity?

All crimes have been increasing in number over time so I daresay you can't point to an increase being due to the abolition of the death penalty. As I said before it is unlikely the death penalty has a deterent effect.