Do you support death sentances for arsonist, rapist?

[TroyGFC]

Over last few months we have posted several discussions on several things such as the current bushfires, kids being thrown off bridge, etc.
Also have you got any good ideas of slow death penaltys to share.
For arsonist I would like to see them dipped several times in boiling water.
For Rapist- nailed to a tree by their family jewels and toe nails pulled out one by one with some pliers.Then affected family and friends allowed to stone them to death.

[Mr66]

There are two reasons why I don't support the death penalty,
1/ Dead people can't suffer or be punished and,
2/ Nobody has thought of a way to rescind the death penalty of an innocent person who has been executed.

[bayman]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty, but not for rapists (i'd geld them), arsonists, mass murderers, cold blooded murders etc

[bayman]

There are two reasons why I don't support the death penalty,
1/ Dead people can't suffer or be punished and,
2/ Nobody has thought of a way to rescind the death penalty of an innocent person who has been executed.

no 2, 1 bloke did about 2,000 years ago, seriously though mr66 if it is proven beyond doubt or the perpertrator admits his/her guilt would you be in favour of capital punishment ?

[Dutchy]

Nol, Im a strong believer of giving people 2nd chances

[Q.]

LOL, I know I'm only a n00b to this place, but does this discussion come up every year?

[bayman]

LOL, I know I'm only a n00b to this place, but does this discussion come up every year?

yep, but i think given the current situation it is worth another discussion

[JAS]

No definitely don't believe in the death sentence for anything. When you kill/hang an innocent person (and you will) you can never give that life back. I DO believe life should mean life and they should be made to rot in jail (with hard labour) and constantly made to remember what they did. Also think that anyone who kills people either through arson or drunk driving should be charged with manslaughter at the very least.

Regards
JAS

[Mickyj]

I voted other .
I think along with the death penalty as a deterrent.I personally believe Australia should have a law like they do in the states .You are born in another country you do a serious crime in Australia you are deported back to your country of origin.
Might make some people behave better if they have to return to the country of their birth.Particularly if that country is run by despots,Criminals ie like a Hitler,Stalin ,Pol pot etc etc .

Just on people who kill injure etc while drunk driving if and when they get out of jail never ever be allowed to drive a motor vehicle ever again.

[Mr66]

seriously though mr66 if it is proven beyond doubt or the perpertrator admits his/her guilt would you be in favour of capital punishment ?

No, because they can't be punished if they are dead. (see reason no. 1)
And as for people admitting guilt, all I can say is Timothy John Evans.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

[The Big Shrek]

Studies suggest that the death penalty has a brutalising effect on society and increases the occurrence of violent crime.

[bayman]

Studies suggest that the death penalty has a brutalising effect on society and increases the occurrence of violent crime.

i find that very hard to believe, i wonder what the rate of stealing is in countries where they chop your hands off for stealing ?

[The Big Shrek]

Studies suggest that the death penalty has a brutalising effect on society and increases the occurrence of violent crime.

i find that very hard to believe, i wonder what the rate of stealing is in countries where they chop your hands off for stealing ?

It is true. It tends to devalue human life when the state is allowed to dispose of it when they like. Most studies also show that there is no deterrent effect with the death penalty so the only justification for it is vengeance. Arsonists already risk 25 years in jail to light a fire so it seems their actions are driven by compulsion rather than lack of concern for the consequences.

To be fair I remember reading one study which examined the number of executions state by state and the crime rates surrounding the executions. It claimed that there was a threshold number of executions where the brutalisation effect was overcome by a deterrent effect so maybe the answer is to kill a lot of people?

[Mr66]

Studies suggest that the death penalty has a brutalising effect on society and increases the occurrence of violent crime.

i find that very hard to believe, i wonder what the rate of stealing is in countries where they chop your hands off for stealing ?

Those countries also throw you in jail for critizising Mohammed or the koran.
Yeah, real pillars of justice & freedom.

[bayman]

Studies suggest that the death penalty has a brutalising effect on society and increases the occurrence of violent crime.

i find that very hard to believe, i wonder what the rate of stealing is in countries where they chop your hands off for stealing ?

Those countries also throw you in jail for critizising Mohammed or the koran.
Yeah, real pillars of justice & freedom.

take what i said in the context of the conversation

[GWW]

Realistically the death penalty will never come in again in Australia, basically because the major political parties are against it.

What i'd like to see are things like:

- no non parole periods for the most serious crimes eg premeditated murder
- a presumption AGAINST bail for most serious crimes. For less serious crimes, only 1 chance at bail given, if an offender breaches bail conditions once, must be extraordinary circumstances to be granted it again.
- minimum sentences for certain offences - no point putting maximum sentences of 25 years on the books if judges consistently only give 4 or 5 years sentences
- penalties for graffiti vandals significantly increased, hit them early in their criminal careers
- remove domestic violence crime as an offence itself ie. treat it as an assault as if it were against any other member of society
- bring down the age in which young people can be tried as an adult - bring it down to 14.
- greatly increased sentences for animal cruelty
- judges held accountable for manifestly inadequate sentences

[Mr66]

take what i said in the context of the conversation

...and the answer is still NO

[smithy]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

I'm with you bayman.

[The Big Shrek]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

I'm with you bayman.

What is proven beyond doubt?

[bayman]

when proven beyond doubt yes i'm for the death penalty

I'm with you bayman.

What is proven beyond doubt?

henious crimes