South Australian Churches and Community Cricket Association

[grave digger]

MR HERDER did you play for walkys at one time with notta a peachs and co the old school

Affirmative Grave Digger, I was captain/coach at The Cats for 3yrs.. Peitschy left before I started playing there though. Still keep in touch with Notta, I was in his wedding a few years ago. He is living down at Goolwa and playing for Strath.

is the old fella still into pubs and has his hair grown back grantham also i recall must swap why ting spots some time back into my rancid little hole then

[Goat Herder]

MR HERDER did you play for walkys at one time with notta a peachs and co the old school

Affirmative Grave Digger, I was captain/coach at The Cats for 3yrs.. Peitschy left before I started playing there though. Still keep in touch with Notta, I was in his wedding a few years ago. He is living down at Goolwa and playing for Strath.

is the old fella still into pubs and has his hair grown back grantham also i recall must swap why ting spots some time back into my rancid little hole then

I think we're over the rancid little hole stage.. Having an intimate knowledge of Enfield and Walkerville, you must be none other than the great man, POB..??

Notta is managing the Comm Bank in Mt Barker and he is as bald as a badger still.. I think he's over the pub stage now - well, running them anyway..

Yep, Matty Grantham was another ex-Churchie who strolled out to Walkerville. He did really well too on turf. Top lad too. Before my time, Marty Pfitzner, also from TTG, spent a few years at Walkies. I recall Pfitzner scoring a double ton in B Grade in Churches comp many moons ago and also played in the 2 x Western Suburbs matches played at Prince Alfred College in 1992, which incidentally was the last time that the 2 Associations toured in between Carnival years. For the record, we flogged 'em in both matches, with the 2nd match starting 2hrs late because the automatic sprinklers came on overnight. Because we spanked them the day before, we offered to bat first on the wetty and Greg Hassold and I put on over 100 for the first wicket, with Hassold going on to score 106 by memory, depositing several balls onto Dequetteville Tce.

[grave digger]

MR HERDER did you play for walkys at one time with notta a peachs and co the old school

Affirmative Grave Digger, I was captain/coach at The Cats for 3yrs.. Peitschy left before I started playing there though. Still keep in touch with Notta, I was in his wedding a few years ago. He is living down at Goolwa and playing for Strath.

is the old fella still into pubs and has his hair grown back grantham also i recall must swap why ting spots some time back into my rancid little hole then

I think we're over the rancid little hole stage.. Having an intimate knowledge of Enfield and Walkerville, you must be none other than the great man, POB..??

Notta is managing the Comm Bank in Mt Barker and he is as bald as a badger still.. I think he's over the pub stage now - well, running them anyway..

Yep, Matty Grantham was another ex-Churchie who strolled out to Walkerville. He did really well too on turf. Top lad too. Before my time, Marty Pfitzner, also from TTG, spent a few years at Walkies. I recall Pfitzner scoring a double ton in B Grade in Churches comp many moons ago and also played in the 2 x Western Suburbs matches played at Prince Alfred College in 1992, which incidentally was the last time that the 2 Associations toured in between Carnival years. For the record, we flogged 'em in both matches, with the 2nd match starting 2hrs late because the automatic sprinklers came on overnight. Because we spanked them the day before, we offered to bat first on the wetty and Greg Hassold and I put on over 100 for the first wicket, with Hassold going on to score 106 by memory, depositing several balls onto Dequetteville Tce.

did you know eddie played there to bit before yourself another fine chap always thought notta would go the yeah yeah

[Keefy]

MR HERDER did you play for walkys at one time with notta a peachs and co the old school

Affirmative Grave Digger, I was captain/coach at The Cats for 3yrs.. Peitschy left before I started playing there though. Still keep in touch with Notta, I was in his wedding a few years ago. He is living down at Goolwa and playing for Strath.

is the old fella still into pubs and has his hair grown back grantham also i recall must swap why ting spots some time back into my rancid little hole then

I think we're over the rancid little hole stage.. Having an intimate knowledge of Enfield and Walkerville, you must be none other than the great man, POB..??

Notta is managing the Comm Bank in Mt Barker and he is as bald as a badger still.. I think he's over the pub stage now - well, running them anyway..

Yep, Matty Grantham was another ex-Churchie who strolled out to Walkerville. He did really well too on turf. Top lad too. Before my time, Marty Pfitzner, also from TTG, spent a few years at Walkies. I recall Pfitzner scoring a double ton in B Grade in Churches comp many moons ago and also played in the 2 x Western Suburbs matches played at Prince Alfred College in 1992, which incidentally was the last time that the 2 Associations toured in between Carnival years. For the record, we flogged 'em in both matches, with the 2nd match starting 2hrs late because the automatic sprinklers came on overnight. Because we spanked them the day before, we offered to bat first on the wetty and Greg Hassold and I put on over 100 for the first wicket, with Hassold going on to score 106 by memory, depositing several balls onto Dequetteville Tce.

Used to have some great battles against the TTG boys, always a pleasure to play against. Could never say a bad word about them. Probably also helped knowing half the team from playing Under 21's against the Hills, a couple of carnivals and one of the 2 games at PAC against Western Suburbs.

I can also remember Greg Hassold depositing balls all around Balhannah Oval including a 6 that cleared the scoreboard and through a car windscreen.

[Goat Herder]

did you know eddie played there to bit before yourself another fine chap always thought notta would go the yeah yeah

Yes, Eddie also played up until the year I started coaching.. Shoulda read between the lines, ay? Seriously though, I woulda loved to have batted with Eddie, the ol' left & right-handed pairing would've been a blast.

As for Notta, some heads are past the Advanced Hair Studio stage - they're good, but they're not miracle workers.


What's your story Keefy? Still having a slap mate?

[Keefy]

did you know eddie played there to bit before yourself another fine chap always thought notta would go the yeah yeah

Yes, Eddie also played up until the year I started coaching.. Shoulda read between the lines, ay? Seriously though, I woulda loved to have batted with Eddie, the ol' left & right-handed pairing would've been a blast.

As for Notta, some heads are past the Advanced Hair Studio stage - they're good, but they're not miracle workers.


What's your story Keefy? Still having a slap mate?

Gave it up almost 10 years ago now, bashing the crap out of golf balls every weekend instead now.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Am i the only one who disagrees with the points system???

In a one-dayer, extra points cannot be accrued by the chasing side. This makes is feasible that a dominant team that bowls teams out for less than 100 every week, will potentially lose 1 point per game or 12 points per season. That equates to 2 wins. In essense, a dominant team that wins every game can still finish second because of this.

Suburban award points for win, and loss. Not points for runs and wickets...this is where the percentage comes in.

Thoughts? Time for change?

I agree 100% with you there BB. Especially if the sides are close as they are this season you should have as much chance to take as many points as possible. Gives the team bowling although they have lost the chance to claim more wickets for points as well. The setup with points for wickets and runs is the correct one, jus a matter of finding a balance to suit everyone and optimise the opportunities to secure them

Another one which stumps me is the time policy for overs! Let me get this right, if a side bowls say 30 overs in their alloted time thats all they can bat for? Surely that greater benefits the team batting 2nd then!? What if a side is bracing itself for an onslaught for the last 10 overs, is cut down because of time and the team 2nd is chasing a minor total??

Also why should the team batting 1st be punished when it is most likely the fielding side consuming the time???

Personally i believe that if the side bowling 1st only manages to complete say 32 overs in the time, they must bowl the remaining overs THEN can only bat for 32 overs themselves. Gives the team batting first an advantage, due punishment for slow over rate and encourages sides to work through the overs quicker..

Am i alone on these thoughts?

[Goat Herder]

The time restriction on overs for one-dayers is ridiculous. And if we are to persist with it, there must be some penalty for the team bowling first who fails to complete their overs within the allotted timeframe. AND if this ridiculous time restriction is to continue, umpires must make note of any hold-up in play that limits the time available - eg; getting hit in the spuds, extra drinks breaks, injury time, etc, etc. The other thing would be the batting side taking extra long in between overs etc. too, which would impact on the bowling side squeezing their overs in during the allotted timeframe - which is why the time restriction must be abolished. It's 40 overs for Ablett's sake!?!??!

Maybe a bonus point system for chasing down the total within a certain number of overs, based on a formula similar to ODI's/Ford Ranger Cup..?? Or maybe it's just the spin-off from playing an absurd number of 40 over matches??

[bloodybouncer]

Am i the only one who disagrees with the points system???

In a one-dayer, extra points cannot be accrued by the chasing side. This makes is feasible that a dominant team that bowls teams out for less than 100 every week, will potentially lose 1 point per game or 12 points per season. That equates to 2 wins. In essense, a dominant team that wins every game can still finish second because of this.

Suburban award points for win, and loss. Not points for runs and wickets...this is where the percentage comes in.

Thoughts? Time for change?

I agree 100% with you there BB. Especially if the sides are close as they are this season you should have as much chance to take as many points as possible. Gives the team bowling although they have lost the chance to claim more wickets for points as well. The setup with points for wickets and runs is the correct one, jus a matter of finding a balance to suit everyone and optimise the opportunities to secure them

Another one which stumps me is the time policy for overs! Let me get this right, if a side bowls say 30 overs in their alloted time thats all they can bat for? Surely that greater benefits the team batting 2nd then!? What if a side is bracing itself for an onslaught for the last 10 overs, is cut down because of time and the team 2nd is chasing a minor total??

Also why should the team batting 1st be punished when it is most likely the fielding side consuming the time???

Personally i believe that if the side bowling 1st only manages to complete say 32 overs in the time, they must bowl the remaining overs THEN can only bat for 32 overs themselves. Gives the team batting first an advantage, due punishment for slow over rate and encourages sides to work through the overs quicker..

Am i alone on these thoughts?

ok good, im not the only one!!

As herder said the time restriction is rediculous!! CRAZY !! jesus christ, we play in day light saving where there is light at 9pm still. 40 overs compulsory, extened the time, punish the team that cant get 40 in within a reasonable time. to suggest play stops at 515-ish is being close to retarded in my mind.

def something in the off season to pursue.

i still disagree with the points for runs and wickets. i suggest a ratio od runs scored/runs conceeded be used. This rewards teams batting longer to make more runs, and teams that bowl teams out easily. For example.....if team one bats and gets 80, team 2 gets 81 and wins....then the ration is 81/80 = 1.01. Example 2...team 1 gets 245, team 2 gets 246...ratio is 246/245 = 1.00. close enough. In a 2 day...team one gets 155...team 2 gets 255..ratio is 255/155= 1.64. maybe the same for wickets.....and make it cumulative ???? just a thought.

[Phantom Gossiper]

BB your idea on the ratio for points has merit, i believe possibly something that needs to be looked at definately.

I think the one day games gives an interesting balance and change to the season, but 6 in a row perhaps gets a fraction repetitive.

The time restriction needs to be adjusted or abolished simple as that!

Im glad im not the only person who has an issue with it.

[auto]

Always thought the first games of the year should be one-dayers, as it can be hard to get full numbers first weeks of the year. And either side of Christmas should def be one-dayers. Possibly squeeze a couple of 20/20's in there somewhere and Robert's your mum's brother!

[bomber1976]

Always thought the first games of the year should be one-dayers, as it can be hard to get full numbers first weeks of the year. And either side of Christmas should def be one-dayers. Possibly squeeze a couple of 20/20's in there somewhere and Robert's your mum's brother!

Are the National Championships one-day matches, they 40 or 50 overs? none the less if they are one dayers, shouldnt we really be playing all one day matches to get our players accustomed to playing this style of cricket, so that they are better prepared and know how to handle/play these one day matches, especially at the nationals??

[bored]

one day matches and they are 50 overs each. that being said, they do start around 10 from memory.

[carey18]

i no i would play a lot more games if there were more one dayers. If u have a family and young kids gets hard to play each week

[Ecky]

Good discussion here guys.

1. I agree that the time restriction rule in one-dayers is ridiculous and should be scrapped ASAP. I am annoyed that I didn't pick up on the problem with it at the AGM.
It shouldn't be too hard to get it changed for next year - I'll raise the issue with the exec committee.

2. I think Goat Herder's suggestion of bonus points for teams batting second and winning one-dayers is good. Maybe 0.5 points for every 10 overs? i.e if you win inside 30 overs, you get a bonus 0.5 points, if you win in 20 overs you get a bonus 1 point, if you win in 10 overs you get a bonus 1.5 points. This is basically equivalent to scoring an extra 50 runs per 10 overs if the game was allowed to continue, which I think is fair. It would add some incentive to otherwise dead games.

[Ecky]

i no i would play a lot more games if there were more one dayers. If u have a family and young kids gets hard to play each week

One-dayers might be good for the star players, but for the "average" player like me they don't give me much chance to have a bat or bowl. In the last 2 games we have won by 7 and 8 wickets, so I haven't batted or bowled at all yet this year, and I know there are quite a few other guys in similar situations!

[carey18]

Yeah i agree with you there. i am a long way from being a star player also

[Goat Herder]

One-dayers might be good for the star players, but for the "average" player like me they don't give me much chance to have a bat or bowl. In the last 2 games we have won by 7 and 8 wickets, so I haven't batted or bowled at all yet this year, and I know there are quite a few other guys in similar situations!

Spot on Ecky. You then go into two-day Finals with half a dozen blokes who've figured prominently and the rest of the side who've hardly had a chance to perform. Not ideal.

I like the idea of spreading the one-dayers out a bit. Sure, concentrate perhaps 4 of them around Xmas/New Years, but perhaps the other 2 allocated elsewhere within the program? Maybe even the first couple of games, like auto said. The 'substitute' rule is one of the best things to happen to this competition, but sometimes to be able to swap a couple of players for the first few games isn't quite adequate.

As ya said Eck', all good food for thought. Good to have a few younger blokes on the Exec these days who are prepared to listen to the players and apply common sense where necessary.

[Pidge]

I would like to have the one-day games spread out a bit. Havent played a 2 day match for ages now. This season there will only be 1 two-dayer before the finals series starts.

[Pidge]

What has been going on here lately? No talk at all. Dis-a-ponting