Phil Hughes

[rod_rooster]

IMO Cooper is a very good batsman. Watched him live at the one dayer against Tasmania last month. The last couple in that list were just openers that i could think of. Maybe add Broad from Qld to that list though

I don't disagree that Cooper is a good batsman. What has he done though? Why would you pick him ahead of Phil Hughes? Why would you pick Broad ahead of Phil Hughes? Can you provide a decent argument why you would pick any of the players you mentioned (apart from Katich, Hayden and Jaques) ahead of Phil Hughes?

[Pidge]

IMO Cooper is a very good batsman. Watched him live at the one dayer against Tasmania last month. The last couple in that list were just openers that i could think of. Maybe add Broad from Qld to that list though

I don't disagree that Cooper is a good batsman. What has he done though? Why would you pick him ahead of Phil Hughes? Why would you pick Broad ahead of Phil Hughes? Can you provide a decent argument why you would pick any of the players you mentioned (apart from Katich, Hayden and Jaques) ahead of Phil Hughes?

Phil Hughes has just started playing for NSW. He would have played 5 SS Games in his career. People are touting him as the next Australian Opener ahead of Jaques or Rogers. Out of the people i have named, most have more experience than Hughes and deserve a spot ahead of him. Why does everyone talk him up?

[LaughingKookaburra]

Mate hes played 2 years of Sheild cricket and made a ton in last years sheild final, and averages over 50 as a 20 year old what else do you want as young talent. Hey Gilchrist scored 180 against SA in the 95-96 sheffeild sheild final, guess he was a hack too......Put Emery in

[Pidge]

Mate hes played 2 years of Sheild cricket and made a ton in last years sheild final, and averages over 50 as a 20 year old what else do you want as young talent. Hey Gilchrist scored 180 against SA in the 95-96 sheffeild sheild final, guess he was a hack too......Put Embury in

Who is Embury?

[LaughingKookaburra]

Phil Emery,John Embury same thing getting late

[Pidge]

Phil Emery,John Embury same thing getting late

Still dont know. Maybe he was a bit before my time.

[rod_rooster]

IMO Cooper is a very good batsman. Watched him live at the one dayer against Tasmania last month. The last couple in that list were just openers that i could think of. Maybe add Broad from Qld to that list though

I don't disagree that Cooper is a good batsman. What has he done though? Why would you pick him ahead of Phil Hughes? Why would you pick Broad ahead of Phil Hughes? Can you provide a decent argument why you would pick any of the players you mentioned (apart from Katich, Hayden and Jaques) ahead of Phil Hughes?

Phil Hughes has just started playing for NSW. He would have played 5 SS Games in his career. People are touting him as the next Australian Opener ahead of Jaques or Rogers. Out of the people i have named, most have more experience than Hughes and deserve a spot ahead of him. Why does everyone talk him up?

Yet you have said you'd pick Cooper ahead of him? I think Hughes will be a very good player for Australia but at the same time i think he needs to wait. Having said that he is in line after Hayden, Katich, and Jaques IMHO. Rogers just missed his time unfortunately and the rest are just not in the same class with the exception of M. Hussey who is already established as our number 4.

[rod_rooster]

Phil Emery,John Embury same thing getting late

Phil Emery the NSW and once off Test keeper for Australia and John Embury the mediocre off break bowler for England.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Hmmm,trust me you can't hold onto the memories of Matthew Hayden forever. You think Steve Waugh retired on his own terms......?? Time for him to go for the benefit of Australian Cricket. It'l hurt us more taking Hayden to South Africa and have him fail again then we are left with 2 options.... Take a baked Hayden to England or drop Hayden after the South African series and take a freshy into the Fisrt Test at Cardiff. We lose the Ashes there will be hell to pay in Australian cricket as we would be realistically the 4th best in the world.......

[am Bays]

Whilst I believe Hughes is a potential gun and has a 10 year + career ahead of him in a baggy green, the bottom line is that the selectors know that over the last 2 years we have lost Langer, Warne, Gilchrist, Mcgrath and through injury Symonds, Clark, Jaques and Lee. We are currently fielding our least experienced attack since the 1st test in 1877

With teh ASHES around the corner the selectors want to keep experienced blokes in the team for as long as possible hence why M hayden will be given lots of chances to regain form. The selectors want him in the side until the Oval test match then he will be tapped on the shoulder. However if he fails on the Seth Efricen tour they'll make the hard call but he will be given every chance to regain form and play another 8 tests.

The ASHES series is not a place for young blokes to learn about test cricket.

[Hondo]

If I had to choose I'd rather Hughes played his 1st test in England instead of against arguably the no 1 side on their home turf (RSA). If Hughes played and failed in South Africa, where does that leave us? It's easy to make big calls when we are assuming that Hughes will be an instant hit.

If I didn't have to choose, I'd definitely leave him until 2009/10 at the earliest. Ideally, I'd like to see him play out a full season for NSW (his first full season) and then play county cricket in England over winter. Let some quality bowlers test him out to iron out any flaws that will inevitably come out at First Class level. If these flaws aren't sorted, watch them become gaping holes if he's rushed into Test cricket.

If Haydos goes, then Jaques should be the replacement. In all the excitement about 16-gamer Phil Hughes, how quickly we forget a guy who's only 30 but averages 54.23 in Test cricket and 54.22 in First class cricket. With Jaques in the wings there's no need to panic about Haydos' replacement, whenever it's needed.

[MAY-Z]

Whilst I believe Hughes is a potential gun and has a 10 year + career ahead of him in a baggy green, the bottom line is that the selectors know that over the last 2 years we have lost Langer, Warne, Gilchrist, Mcgrath and through injury Symonds, Clark, Jaques and Lee. We are currently fielding our least experienced attack since the 1st test in 1877

With teh ASHES around the corner the selectors want to keep experienced blokes in the team for as long as possible hence why M hayden will be given lots of chances to regain form. The selectors want him in the side until the Oval test match then he will be tapped on the shoulder. However if he fails on the Seth Efricen tour they'll make the hard call but he will be given every chance to regain form and play another 8 tests.

The ASHES series is not a place for young blokes to learn about test cricket.

which is exactly why hayden should have been told to go by now. it doesnt matter how experienced the players if they arent performing. haydens record in england isnt that great anyway

[G]

Talking of players Aust has lost recently, does anyone remember Damien Martyn ??????

Hayden must be flicked and should of been after his 100th Test !!!!!!! Cant make runs against New Zealand then you shouldnt be playing at that level.

[am Bays]

which is exactly why hayden should have been told to go by now. it doesnt matter how experienced the players if they arent performing. haydens record in england isnt that great anyway

I would suggest that anyone with less than 5 tests come Lords in July would still be learning the game.

Also I believe our spinners position and number six are of greater concern than Haydens opening spot. Successful teams are relaively stable with doubts over positions six and nine in our order changes elsewhere should be kept to a minimum.

I'm not saying he wont go it is just with a team obvioulsy in transition the selectors are keen to keep changes to a minimum he will be given every opportunity to regain form far more so than others have had in the past. However if he fails to make runs in South Africa well the call will be made.

Yes G you were right I should have added Martyn in that list. The loss of all that experience is just one reason why I believe is being given more opportunity than most to regain form.

[NFC]

And today...

151.

Yeah, not bad this Hughes.

GET.HIM.IN.

[Pidge]

I would have Jacques, Rogers or even Marsh in before Hughes

[NFC]

I would have Jacques, Rogers or even Marsh in before Hughes

Typical.

[wycbloods]

I would have Jacques, Rogers or even Marsh in before Hughes

Now that is just being stupid.

[Rik E Boy]

Hughes is a gun. The kid has to tour at least. He has to be starting to get some exposure in the international environment. He's gotta go to England.

regards,

REB

[panther]

IMO Cooper is a very good batsman. Watched him live at the one dayer against Tasmania last month. The last couple in that list were just openers that i could think of. Maybe add Broad from Qld to that list though

I don't disagree that Cooper is a good batsman. What has he done though? Why would you pick him ahead of Phil Hughes? Why would you pick Broad ahead of Phil Hughes? Can you provide a decent argument why you would pick any of the players you mentioned (apart from Katich, Hayden and Jaques) ahead of Phil Hughes?

hughes and cooper in 4 day games in australia

hughes
2007/2008
559 runs @ 62-11
made his first 100 in a pura cup final as a teenager

hughes
2008/2009
809 runs @ 67-4
4
0
198
1
86
9
22
93
108
114
23
151

has been converting starts into tons, something Aussie selectors need to look at
outstanding junior averaging in the 60s which is senstional for an opening batsman


cooper
2008/2009
10 runs @ 10

was run out on debut so has not been dismissed by a bowler as yet
outstanding junior in slogathons and 50 over games
but has not had a chance to prove himself in the longer game

Hughes is also a handy keeper as well ? that would be a plus if selected for South Africa


Pidge
as Rodrooster has suggested we cant compare the 2 stars as yet