SA v NSW Sheffield Shield

[locky801]

Sheffield Shield Table
(all teams 4 games left)

Vic 28
Qld 20
Tas 18
WA 12
NSW 10
SA 8

SA 2 outright wins out of 2nd place, if Qld don't get a point.

With a first innings win, SA would be 2 outright wins out of 2nd place, if Qld don't get a point.

If its never going to happen then why attempt it, mmm have a look at the table again, rock solid bottom


Dream on

Exactly, it was never going to happen, but give it a crack rather than celebrating a meaningless potential 2 lousy points.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Now that it's accepted by most that our 1st Innings declaration was a failure, I'll try to explain once more why we should have batted longer .. at the risk of being told I have "no clue" by people with even less idea.

By batting to 360-ish, NSW would then have had a task to turn a 120 lead into a target, and allow themselves enough time to bowl SA out. In view of the "nothing to lose" situation NSW were in, they were going to go for the win no matter what.

By batting longer, SA would have forced NSW to take more risks, setting a lower total to chase with less time for SA to bat, therefore allowing SA the option to play a draw. As it stood, by declaring 180 behind, NSW cruised to a lead that was difficult for SA to attain, and also giving NSW plenty of time to bowl us out.

Not only did we play right into NSW's hands (and how many times do SA teams do this), we also deprived Cam Borgas of a well deserved 100. Talk about a win/lose situation.

You can bet your bottom dollar that Victoria or NSW would never offer SA the opportunites we give them. The problems we had with Hookes and Lehmann as captains were we always played attacking cricket. Other states knew this and allowed SA to make all the running, This is why we haven't been as successful as we may have been.

Looks like it's still happening.

[Rik E Boy]

A terrible tragic tale Hawker maybe you just batted crap. GO BLUEBOYS OFF THE BOTTOM YOU BEAUTY.

regards,

REB

[redandblack]

With respect, AH, most of that is just nonsense. Get in the real world.

First, not only don't I accept that our declaration was a failure, I predicted it and given 300 to get off plenty of overs for an outright win, it was very successful. We just weren't good enough in the end.

Also, you still totally ignore and won't answer the fact that NSW could have made 600 if they hadn't declared. If NSW were in a 'nothing to lose' situation, then so were we, surely.

So we deprived Borgas of a hundred. NSW did the same to one of their players. Ever heard of 'team' before individual.

The other thing you totally ignore is that 2 points for us means absolutely, totally, nothing. Nil, zero, nought. Not a cracker.

If we couldn't make 300 today, we didn't deserve to win and NSW didn't deserve to lose.

PS: REB celebrating getting off the bottom shows where NSW are at as well (and him, for that matter )

Having said that, we're showing a lot of improvement and starting to put a side together.

[Hondo]

AH you've said it twice now and I still don't understand your theory. I think you are trying to convince yourself as you type. If it takes that long to explain it's probably not right. A batting collapse on the last day doesn't vindicate any of the earlier critics of the declaration.

295 in 90 overs was very gettable, given that only 11 wickets had fallen in the whole 1st 3 days, unfortunately we batted poorly in our chase.

I can't understand all this desperation for 2 lousy points. 2 lousy points that you are all assuming were ours when we were still 180 behind . 6 points would have got us into 4th place, you've got to go for it.

[Dutchy]

R&B has just raised his bat for a ton ......Adelaide Hawk 0/75 off 9 overs

[locky801]

With respect, AH, most of that is just nonsense. Get in the real world.

First, not only don't I accept that our declaration was a failure, I predicted it and given 300 to get off plenty of overs for an outright win, it was very successful. We just weren't good enough in the end.

Also, you still totally ignore and won't answer the fact that NSW could have made 600 if they hadn't declared. If NSW were in a 'nothing to lose' situation, then so were we, surely.

So we deprived Borgas of a hundred. NSW did the same to one of their players. Ever heard of 'team' before individual.

The other thing you totally ignore is that 2 points for us means absolutely, totally, nothing. Nil, zero, nought. Not a cracker.

If we couldn't make 300 today, we didn't deserve to win and NSW didn't deserve to lose.

PS: REB celebrating getting off the bottom shows where NSW are at as well (and him, for that matter )

Having said that, we're showing a lot of improvement and starting to put a side together.

well if they had made 600 we would not have lost outright. With some of the comments like that no wonder you barrack for Westies

[Dutchy]

your embarressing yourself Locky

[spell_check]

So the egg shells come out if a couple of wickets fall, but they wouldn't have in the first innings

You're supposing a lot there and you conveniently ignore NSW's declaration.

You're supposing yourself there, too. And where did I ignore the declaration? I said they should have earlier.

[redandblack]

I wasn't challenging you, spelly, and I was referring to the first innings declaration anyway.

[spell_check]

Even though I don't agree with Manou declaring behind; I could see what he was trying to do. And fair enough, but I just don't feel the Redbacks still don't seem to have the killer instinct to get over the line to do that.

[redandblack]

No, they're not good enough yet, but they're making fair progress.

This season, they've gone from their previously totally embarrassing to hopeful, but lacking experience, poise and knowhow.

At least they're now giving us plenty of hope for the future.

[locky801]

your embarressing yourself Locky

If speaking my mind means I am embarrassing myself so be it, I have an opinion and I have posted it, if you want to take freedom of speech away and peoples opinons away just say so and I will leave, perhaps Dutchy you may like to explain how I have embarrased myself ( and yes at least I know how to spell the word)

[Dutchy]

With respect, AH, most of that is just nonsense. Get in the real world.

First, not only don't I accept that our declaration was a failure, I predicted it and given 300 to get off plenty of overs for an outright win, it was very successful. We just weren't good enough in the end.

Also, you still totally ignore and won't answer the fact that NSW could have made 600 if they hadn't declared. If NSW were in a 'nothing to lose' situation, then so were we, surely.

So we deprived Borgas of a hundred. NSW did the same to one of their players. Ever heard of 'team' before individual.

The other thing you totally ignore is that 2 points for us means absolutely, totally, nothing. Nil, zero, nought. Not a cracker.

If we couldn't make 300 today, we didn't deserve to win and NSW didn't deserve to lose.

PS: REB celebrating getting off the bottom shows where NSW are at as well (and him, for that matter )

Having said that, we're showing a lot of improvement and starting to put a side together.

well if they had made 600 we would not have lost outright. With some of the comments like that no wonder you barrack for Westies

there you go....we lost nothing by going for the outright, but gained some great experience our lads need for their development...a team has never won the shield getting 2 pts each match

[catchisthecry]

Dutchy... enough intent shown early??
who needs the experience?? Khan? Klinger? O'Brien?
Sick of excuses - even Ferguson and Borgas have been around long enough now.

Went about the chase poorly on a pitch which had yielded bugger all wickets in 3 and a half days.
Easier chase than the one they got at the Gabba

[Dutchy]

Dutchy... enough intent shown early??
who needs the experience?? Khan? Klinger? O'Brien?
Sick of excuses - even Ferguson and Borgas have been around long enough now.

Went about the chase poorly on a pitch which had yielded bugger all wickets in 3 and a half days.
Easier chase than the one they got at the Gabba

Yes you can criticise the plan of attack, no doubt the plan was to leave wickets in hand for the last hour, but that can easily fall apart quickly if wickets are falling...I agree they should have been more agressive once they steadied after losing the early 2 wickets, would have put less stress on the last session

[redandblack]

Locky, how you can think SA somehow should have got points when NSW made a lot more runs and lost far fewer wickets defies belief.

I know, "excuse me, Mr Thorneley, would you mind setting us 200 to win in a day and a half, please? And I think you should have declared earlier in the first innings, too, instead of making nearly 500. It's not fair".

As for barracking for Westies, I'm not sure what that's got to do with Shield cricket, apart from a cheap shot on your part, but I'm proud to support them.

[GWW]

your embarressing yourself Locky

If speaking my mind means I am embarrassing myself so be it, I have an opinion and I have posted it, if you want to take freedom of speech away and peoples opinons away just say so and I will leave, perhaps Dutchy you may like to explain how I have embarrased myself ( and yes at least I know how to spell the word)

That word is spelt with "double s".

[rod_rooster]

your embarressing yourself Locky

If speaking my mind means I am embarrassing myself so be it, I have an opinion and I have posted it, if you want to take freedom of speech away and peoples opinons away just say so and I will leave, perhaps Dutchy you may like to explain how I have embarrased myself ( and yes at least I know how to spell the word)

That word is spelt with "double s".

[Grahaml]

You can't judge things in hindsight purely on results. At the time we had no way of knowing how the rest of the game was unfolding. When Khan was going with Borgas and particularly Ferguson it looked like we were going to get there. After conceding a monster first innings total to NSW that was all you could ask. This time we couldn't get there, but perhaps next time we will. First innings points are worth very little these days with most games going to outright results. Would you rather a 50/50 shot at outright points or guaranteed 100% chance of only first innings points?